POLL- Internet Explorer, are you still using it?

[Googer]

Konqueror has been added to ther polls

 

[networkman]

Originally posted by: CSMR IE here. Don't feel the need to install other software.

Roger that!

 

[jim1976]

I use Firefox for along time now... The frequency of every possible threat that you can face through net was greatly reduced and I simply luv it. Though still slower than Explorer(and I have a reason to say that cauz I'm still on an IDSN) I prefer him over Explorer and Opera any time of the day...

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Avant and MyIE2 are just IE. The OS doesn't matter, so why the Linux option? A MAC os part of a NIC. If you include Safari, why not throw in konqueror, Safari's origin?

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
A MAC os part of a NIC[/b]

Are you meaning to say a Media Access Control Address (MAC) is an OS (operating system) and is part of a Network Interface Card(NIC)? What does that sentance mean, Since a MAC is not an operating system(OS).

It should read: A MAC is part of a NIC, and has no place on the poll.

I have not used my linux os for a while. (SUSE 8.0). Thanks For reminding me I could not rememeber the name "Konqueror", It will be added in a moment. Also there are other browsers avalble for Linux besides Konqueror. So if you are using a version of Opera, Netscape, Firefox, or Mozilla under Linux vote for it under
I use linux to surf the web since you are obviously not an IE user.

Avant and MyIE2 are just IE. The OS doesn't matter

IE is avalable for APPLE OSX as well as Windows. Yes, IE is similar in DNA to Avant and MyIE2; But they are not the same and are considerd to be a differant browser, and if that is the case then why not excluded Mozilla and all Netscape derivitives? Aren't those all the same (mozilla/netscape)?

Not really. Microsoft stopped making IE for Mac OS X a long time ago. I'm not going to count the mess that is IE5, especially since it doesn't ship on the latest version of OS Ten.

Avant and MyIE2 use the IMPORTANT part of IE, the rendering engine. Netscape is a crappified version of Mozilla, so I don't see a need for it either. I would have probably put them on the poll as something like: IE w/Avant.

 

[Googer]

It should read: A MAC is part of a NIC, and has no place on the poll.

ok there smarty pants

 

[sandorski]

Mozilla

Never have used IE(except under unique circumstances, like using someone elses system). Used Netscape in the Good Ole days, switched to Mozilla.

 

[Googer]

Send this Poll to your friends, lets get the number of votes over 200!

 

[imported_Salvatore]

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282

Originally posted by: Salvatore

Originally posted by: royaldank

Originally posted by: Salvatore
I think I'm actually going to open to my mouth about building though. Better to try and not succeed rather than not trying at all. Wish me luck.

In a couple years, you'll see why suggesting others build isn't the greatest idea. Doing tech support and being blamed for a crappy computer every time they break it gets old. Unless someone really likes building and messing around with computers, building isn't the way to go. Suggest they get a Dell or something with a nice warranty and customer support. Makes your life easier.

Building is great for your own personal computer if you like that sort of thing. I've built every computer I've ever owned. Most people love to build systems for others when they first learn how and how much you can save. Most quit doing it soon after because it's a headache. Your parents will blame you anytime something goes wrong on the "custom" built machine. They will cuss Dell if you don't build it.

There's only one solution then: Nothing must go wrong. With all the knowledge I've picked up these past few years, and with the amazing AT forums handy, that goal isn't too improbable.

I do have all the money I would need for a computer stashed away in various personal bank accounts(My Aunt and I set them up), but my parents would never allow a second computer in the house for fear of the electricity costs. So, I'm not going to spend my own money on something everyone in the household will use, and therefore everybody else in the household will endanger.

And, in case my post is somehow misunderstood, I'm not arguing with you or trying to be hostile, no matter how it sounds.

And one more thing: Sorry, OP, for hijacking your thread.

Man are your parents really that cheap? Extra costs for electricty would be like what, a couple bucks, if that?

No, that's the thing. They THINK, they SUPPOSE, that the bill would be exponentially higher. They have no proof to back up their beliefs, but I have proof to disprove their beliefs. However, as I have previously said, my parents don't have logic when it comes to this day and age. I'm not knocking them or anything, I love them, but they know nothing about technology.

 

[RVN]

I experimented with alot of them. And for me IE is what works ...I need to be able to retrieve the gifs, jpegs, and various video file details in bulk from cache. I set my cache to 1320 MBs and swoop what I need to save out of there in bulk. I don't have time to right click and save things. Too bad Firefox doesn't allow for this. Any suggestions?

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: RVN
I experimented with alot of them. And for me IE is what works ...I need to be able to retrieve the gifs, jpegs, and various video file details in bulk from cache. I set my cache to 1320 MBs and swoop what I need to save out of there in bulk. I don't have time to right click and save things. Too bad Firefox doesn't allow for this. Any suggestions?

You have time to download them originally, but not save them actively?

 

[RVN]

Yeah, I slam open anywhere from 12-40 windows of images at a time and don't have time to check them out individually. I'll grab between 2000-5000 images at a time out of the cache. With copy-protected video and music I click on 20-30 at a time and copy their shortcuts in groups to modify and download, so that I can permanently save them.

 

[Jayczar]

POLL- Internet Explorer, are you still using it?

:thumbsdown: = MSIE

:thumbsup: = Firefox

 

[hopejr]

I use FF on my PC and Safari on my mac.

 

[Lint21]

Originally posted by: RVN
Yeah, I slam open anywhere from 12-40 windows of images at a time and don't have time to check them out individually. I'll grab between 2000-5000 images at a time out of the cache. With copyrighted video and music I click on 20-30 at a time and copy their shortcuts in groups to crack and download, so that I can permanently save them.

You should really look into a download manager, or a website copier. There's a better way to do what you want than manually copying your internet cache. With Firefox and the Flashgot extension, I right-click, select "Flashgot All" and it takes care of the rest. But, it sounds like in your case, something like HTTTrack would be more suitable.

 

[blazer78]

the flamme FoX for me!!!

 

[imported_Bonus]

Firefox with tbe and flagfox extensions. Bliss.

 

[CSMR]

Originally posted by: RVN
Yeah, I slam open anywhere from 12-40 windows of images at a time and don't have time to check them out individually. I'll grab between 2000-5000 images at a time out of the cache. With copyrighted video and music I click on 20-30 at a time and copy their shortcuts in groups to crack and download, so that I can permanently save them.

We don't encourage illegal activity here.

 

[BFG10K]

Why should it matter what Link or popup I should click on? Why is it that I have to be carefull?

I run a locked down firewalled box and I can only presume that you're doing the same. Therefore most of the problems the general user encounters won't affect us because said problems have nothing at all to do with the browser.

Case and point: MSBlaster. I'd bet 95% of people who were affected had also "tweaked" their firewall settings which left their boxes wide open.

The only thing I should worry about is first purposely downloading and then purposely running programs,

ActiveX essentially creates the ability to run browser-embedded programs so really it's no different to someone downloading and running an executable.

 

[TheVrolok]

mmmm Firefox

 

[drag]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Why should it matter what Link or popup I should click on? Why is it that I have to be carefull?

I run a locked down firewalled box and I can only presume that you're doing the same. Therefore most of the problems the general user encounters won't affect us because said problems have nothing at all to do with the browser.

Case and point: MSBlaster. I'd bet 95% of people who were affected had also "tweaked" their firewall settings which left their boxes wide open.

The only thing I should worry about is first purposely downloading and then purposely running programs,

ActiveX essentially creates the ability to run browser-embedded programs so really it's no different to someone downloading and running an executable.

that and "forced" downloads of activeX componates from trusted websites is partially why ActiveX was one of the worst design features in the history of software. Anytime using IE, ActiveX should be completely disabled...

Look at java applets, for instance, it has a terrific security record. The first serious problem with Java that I've heard about was about a exploit that broke you out of the java sandbox stuff. (if you haven't done it, update your JAVA stuff)

how many exploits have you heard of from the Macromedia Flash plugin for instance?

With ActiveX it's almost impossible patch or keep up to date since many websites have their own ActiveX controls and they force certain versions into your browser, or something like that. Not entire sure how it works.

But besides ActiveX, there are definately something wrong with the browser, and there is something wrong with how executables and such are handled in Windows in general. It's just that everybody is so used to how it works, it's hard to see sometimes. I think.

One example of what I am talking about is this:
Why does how a file is worded make a difference on weither or not it's executable?
Like kool.exe, so if somebody emails you a attatchment with kool.exe and you double click on it, it runs...
What purpose does allowing e-mail attachments to be executable serve?

Of course you can avoid this by simply not clicking on a exe e-mail attatchment, but there is a lot to watch out for..
*.bat *.chm *.cmd *.com *.cpl *.crt *.dll *.exe *.hlp *.hta *.inf *.ins *.isp *.js *.jse *.msi *.msp *.nws *.ops *.ocx *.pcd *.pif *.prf *.reg *.scf *.scr *.sct *.shb *.shm *.shs *.url *.vb *.vbe *.vbs *.vbx *.vxd *.wsc *.wsf *.wsh

And I don't even know what half of those mean!

Of course, run e-mail scanners, don't open e-mails from untrusted people, disable html rendering and such for all your emails and so on and so

So obviously a user should avoid messing around with e-mail attatchments and double clicking on them... but why does the file name matter? Hell even due to exploits in IE, it's not even safe to open certain *.jpg file in outlook/outlook express.

Of course WinXP SP2 helped this out quite a bit by implimenting it's complex solution of zones and and all that. But what about W2k? What about Win9x users...

I guess Win9x should be dead, but W2k is still actively supported by MS, why not the Sp2 fixes in W2k?

Personally I just like having to flip a permissions bit to get executable files, rather then relying on file name. Helps cut down on user error.

oh... And have you heard about the new trojan that can install itself on a fully patched WinXP machine using SP2 by exploiting a work around in the local security zone and running a exploit on IE? Nice stuff that is.

Oh, and it runs from a *.html file. So I guess a executable bit isn't going to help there.. :/
Maybe, the HTML file only triggers a download of a *exe and a *dll file that then is executed and runs the actually thing that infects your computer.

Probably can be fixed by not running as a admin, I think. Does not being admin protect against breaks in local zone security protections?

Good thing that it has a low rate of infection and is non-destructive and is easy to remove. Of course I suppose somebody could have a modified version download a more destructive payload, but lets hope MS gets around to releasing a patch to fix the flaw before that happens.

 

[Googer]

Pass this poll on to every one you know, lets get a better representation here and get the number of VOTES over 200.

 

[JBT]

I use Firefox for the most part and occasionaly use IE at work.

 

[kamper]

Originally posted by: Ken_g6


The reason I use IE has to do with the way I snarf pages with WGet. The pages are stored in c:\urls\www.webpage.com\page.html, with links like <img src="/urls/www.webpage.com/images/img.jpg">. The problem is I can't get Mozilla anything to recognize that "/" means "c:/", while IE does this just fine.

file:///c:/urls/...

 

[rise]

ie, still trying to get used to firefox but asking myself why?

 

[Kaervak]

Opera user here. Switched from IE almost a year ago. Took some getting used to but now there is no way I'd go back. Definitely worth the pricetag ($24). I've also used FireFox quite a bit and it's a damn good browser also. Soon as I can scrape up some extra bucks I'm going to send some cash their way.