Poll: If UFC was around when Bruce Lee was in his prime - how would he do?

[ShockwaveVT]

if this were to be a true fight, it would be over in less than 10 seconds ... gracie on the ground, out cold with a couple broken bones

If in some kind of rule-regulated combat Gracie would have more of a chance.

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: Gibson486

Originally posted by: Codewiz
Ok if Bruce Lee lived forever and trained, he would have learned BJJ and would beat Gracie but you guys are retarded.

Bruce Lee in his prime had certain skills

Gracie in his prime had certain skills

Gracie's skills were unknown to Lee. Lee never saw them. On the other hand, Gracie fought many many standup fighters. Yeah they were better at the standup game but Gracie took every fight to the ground. There are easy ways to protect yourself in the standup game if you are that much superior on the ground.

Gracie would win easily

Technique > strength

Now if Bruce trained in BJJ then his athleticism would have been an advantage and he would own Gracie.

It is just a fact that BJJ > Jeet Kune Do(during Lee's lifetime)

but JKD did have grappling.....

During Lee's lifetime, the grappling had nothing that could compete with the skills in BJJ.

Just look at the early UFC. I wish people would look at history. Submission Wrestling and BJJ OWNED UFC in the early years. Standup fighters were dominated and controled.

Know what happened? Everyone learned BJJ or submission wrestling. Everyone started cross training.

However if you put the skillset of Bruce Lee in his prime against the skillset of Gracie in his prime then Gracie wins hands down.

If you take both of them and let them cross train and learn all the skills possible. Bruce Lee kicks the crap out of Gracie.

It is not a slap in the face of Lee. Lee just had ZERO knowledge of BJJ while Gracie has experienced all the skills Lee used. Yeah Lee was an expert striker but Gracie could easily neutralize those skills and take Lee to the ground where Lee had very little ground game compared to Gracie.

 

[Accipiter22]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: michaels
He would get his ass beat by a well rounded fighter from today. People get way to caught up in choregraphed and staged movie fights.

Exactly. Nobody fights that fast for real. You can do your moves a lot faster if all you've practiced the exact same sequence for hours on end.

In a real fight, they'd be on the ground very quickly.

which is why people think Jet Li is actually a bad-ass.....Wire Fu...FTW!

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: Accipiter22

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: michaels
He would get his ass beat by a well rounded fighter from today. People get way to caught up in choregraphed and staged movie fights.

Exactly. Nobody fights that fast for real. You can do your moves a lot faster if all you've practiced the exact same sequence for hours on end.

In a real fight, they'd be on the ground very quickly.

which is why people think Jet Li is actually a bad-ass.....Wire Fu...FTW!

Jet Li actually competed in tournaments though.

"Winning the coveted All-China Youth Championships upon his return to China provided Li with his first national championship title, though it was only a prelude to a slew of awards to come including a bloodied performance at the qualifying round of China's National Games, during which Li accidentally cut his head with his saber"

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
bruce easily...royce is great on the ground, but as sabukura showed, as long as you can keep him on his feet he's SOL

edit: also a well rounded fighter would pwn

Sabukura has experience that Lee never had. We are talking about Lee skillset versus Gracie skillset in their prime. Lee had no skills to deal with Gracie. One of the reasons the Gracies were so successful in MMA at first. No one had any defenses for it. Lee has no defense for it.

No, one of the reasons why the Gracies were so successful in MMA at first was because you had top ground fighters fighting mediocre people who thought they knew ninjutsu or that sumo wrestling would be good at no-holds bar fighting. The Gracies were good, but they were good because that was what they did. They spent decades doing Vale Tudo. But ask yourselves why weren't there any VT or top shootfighters in the early UFCs?

As for all fights eventually end on the ground... yeah, they do, because eventually one guy loses, and he goes down. But if you mean all fights end up as ground fighting, that's bull. Most fights end up grappling though, which starts with one person grabbing the other's arm or shirt, but most styles teach defense of that and how to take advantage of it. But nobody in their right mind would want to go on the ground in a street fight. Unlike the ring, you can have somebody else jump you. Or if you try to do a choke, but you're only able to do it halfassed, he can take a nice big chomp out of your arm.

And Bruce Lee did include ground fighting in JKD incase it did come to that. So if you're talking about Lee as he was back then versus Gracie as he is now, in the ring, yeah, there's a chance Gracie would win. In a street fight? Do you think Gracie could have choked him out in 5 secs or less? Because if he didn't, i guarantee you that Gracie would be missing an eye, have his ear torn off, or a big chomp on his arm. If you read any of Bruce's books, you would know he advocated that in a fight, it's a life or death situation, and you do everything you can to survive.

But in UFC, i would think Bruce Lee would have evolved his method to adapt to it. That was his legacy. He broke the mold of traditional MA, and incorporated anything he found that was useful, whether it was kung fu, western boxing, phillipino fighting sticks, etc etc. Haven't you ever heard of his 'be like water' quote? Don't get set into one form, adapt it and build your own, and let it grow, be like water.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: Gibson486

Originally posted by: Codewiz
Ok if Bruce Lee lived forever and trained, he would have learned BJJ and would beat Gracie but you guys are retarded.

Bruce Lee in his prime had certain skills

Gracie in his prime had certain skills

Gracie's skills were unknown to Lee. Lee never saw them. On the other hand, Gracie fought many many standup fighters. Yeah they were better at the standup game but Gracie took every fight to the ground. There are easy ways to protect yourself in the standup game if you are that much superior on the ground.

Gracie would win easily

Technique > strength

Now if Bruce trained in BJJ then his athleticism would have been an advantage and he would own Gracie.

It is just a fact that BJJ > Jeet Kune Do(during Lee's lifetime)

but JKD did have grappling.....

During Lee's lifetime, the grappling had nothing that could compete with the skills in BJJ.

Just look at the early UFC. I wish people would look at history. Submission Wrestling and BJJ OWNED UFC in the early years. Standup fighters were dominated and controled.

Since you know UFC history so well, which of those standup fighters were top-tiered? Where are the ranked boxers or ranked thai fighters?

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: michaels
He would get his ass beat by a well rounded fighter from today. People get way to caught up in choregraphed and staged movie fights.

Exactly. Nobody fights that fast for real. You can do your moves a lot faster if all you've practiced the exact same sequence for hours on end.

Why? Because in a fight, your punches and kicks are somehow slowed down?

 

[TheAudit]

Originally posted by: middlehead
Bruce had The Glow.

The Glow > *

LOL

Bruce Leeroy > *

 

[SP33Demon]

I'd love to see Gracie try and grab one of Bruce Lee's legs, that would be some funny sht. See Gracie shoot, see Gracie unconscious!

 

[michaels]

Bruce Lee and his fanboys are like the fisherman who big catch gets bigger everythime the story is told. Another 20 years he will be magical!

 

[Mo0o]

Bruce Lee doesn't grapple or do submissions... He'd be much better if he competed in K1

 

[Amplifier]

Jackie Chan would own either of them. Hoyce don't do his own stunts.

 

[astrocase]

No, I haven't seen every UFC match, but why do we never see these guys use pressure points? Killing arms and legs for example. I see them beat on the other guy's legs but what I want to see is the guy who kicks and when the guy blocks he hits a pressure point rendering the guys leg useless. This is where the stand up guys could really entertain us.

 

[Amplifier]

Originally posted by: astrocase
No, I haven't seen every UFC match, but why do we never see these guys use pressure points? Killing arms and legs for example. I see them beat on the other guy's legs but what I want to see is the guy who kicks and when the guy blocks he hits a pressure point rendering the guys leg useless. This is where the stand up guys could really entertain us.

are you referring to the mystical touch of death? that's illegal in america

 

[sunzt]

Bruce would own, why?

Bruce is trained to bite, eye-gouge, and kill a man's babies

Gracie would still be trying to shoot and perform submission holds while his eyes are gouged out.....

UFC != real fighting.

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: Gibson486

Originally posted by: Codewiz
Ok if Bruce Lee lived forever and trained, he would have learned BJJ and would beat Gracie but you guys are retarded.

Bruce Lee in his prime had certain skills

Gracie in his prime had certain skills

Gracie's skills were unknown to Lee. Lee never saw them. On the other hand, Gracie fought many many standup fighters. Yeah they were better at the standup game but Gracie took every fight to the ground. There are easy ways to protect yourself in the standup game if you are that much superior on the ground.

Gracie would win easily

Technique > strength

Now if Bruce trained in BJJ then his athleticism would have been an advantage and he would own Gracie.

It is just a fact that BJJ > Jeet Kune Do(during Lee's lifetime)

but JKD did have grappling.....

During Lee's lifetime, the grappling had nothing that could compete with the skills in BJJ.

Just look at the early UFC. I wish people would look at history. Submission Wrestling and BJJ OWNED UFC in the early years. Standup fighters were dominated and controled.

Since you know UFC history so well, which of those standup fighters were top-tiered? Where are the ranked boxers or ranked thai fighters?

Minoki Ichihara was considered an excellent fighter outside of UFC.

Ron van Clief won MANY martial arts competitions outside of UFC.

There were not many Muay Thai fighters in UFC early days. Muay Thai and BJJ are essential today for every fighter.

But if we are talking strictly Muay Thai versus BJJ match. I will take BJJ any day of the week. The fact is that everyone cross trains.

There is a reason almost EVERYONE in MMA trains in BJJ, without it, you lose.

If Lee was alive today he would be a black belt in BJJ because he was smart enough to learn anythign and everyone to incorporate it into JKD

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: sunzt
Bruce would own, why?

Bruce is trained to bite, eye-gouge, and kill a man's babies

Gracie would still be trying to shoot and perform submission holds while his eyes are gouged out.....

UFC != real fighting.

I believe the thread asked who would win in UFC

 

[Gibson486]

Originally posted by: Mo0o
Bruce Lee doesn't grapple or do submissions... He'd be much better if he competed in K1

he does not do submisisons, but he does grapple.

 

[captains]

bruce hands down

 

[Gibson486]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
I'd love to see Gracie try and grab one of Bruce Lee's legs, that would be some funny sht. See Gracie shoot, see Gracie unconscious!

Exactly, Bruce lee had senses that were amazing. It was pretty hard to not telegraph a move when against him.

 

[JS80]

A lot of you don't understand the concept of Bruce Lee. A lot of you seem to put him down just because he was a film actor. Considering his size and weight, he was incredibly strong; what made him so powerful was his ability to harness all the energy his body could (Chi?) and more. That's how he was able to kick a punching bag 15 feet in the air. Strength is not all about muscle, but how you can harness it and release in one blow.

I have no clue who would win, but I would put my money on Bruce Lee.

 

[pclstyle]

Particularly enjoying this thread Glad it hasn't descended (for the most part) into petty trash-talking.

It's been a very informative, excellent read about a subject i'm entirely uninformed about. some excellents posts, particularly from DaShen. Interested me enough to do so of my own research to verify some of the statements being given.


Keep it up.

 

[MoFoEd]

I agree this has a been a good thread for the most part and shows how excellent both martial artists and how they are legends in thier respective arts. Now as for the original question, I would bet my $$$ on Bruce. He would definatly incoporate BJJ into his repitoire,as he did with most martial arts. The man was a true Master of martial arts.

 

[GrammatonJP]

Super Vegito > Super Gogeta > SS3 Goku > SS3 Gotenk > everyone else who's not a cartoon..

Like goku say.. probably copied from bruce lee.. muscle doesn't mean you're powerful.. ie Super Vegita was bulky and lost..

 

[sourceninja]

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: michaels
He would get his ass beat by a well rounded fighter from today. People get way to caught up in choregraphed and staged movie fights.

Exactly. Nobody fights that fast for real. You can do your moves a lot faster if all you've practiced the exact same sequence for hours on end.

Why? Because in a fight, your punches and kicks are somehow slowed down?

Because in a real fight you have to defend yourself and react to your opponent. In a stage demo, you know exactly what to do when.