Poll! How many times have you driven while legally intoxicated?

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Considering the people who think I'm a total dick attempted to murder innocent people by intentionally getting behind the wheel of a vehicle when intoxicated, I honestly couldn't care less.

So you've never driven? I mean, drinking and driving increases your risk of "murdering innocent people," but simply driving a car contributes to this "murder rate" you vehemently oppose.

So shouldn't you and your perfect clique refrain from driving at all? Especially with radios, cell-phones, conversations, sneezing, coughing, and all the other things that could distract you can make you "intentionally murder someone?"

Not in any way, shape, or form what this thread is about. Nice attempt at a redirect though.

Sure it is, you decided to equate DUI with the felony of "attempted murder," something that common sense does not support, nor do the laws of this nation.

I hope the hell you have 100% of your vaccines, don't buy real diamonds, have routine checkups, don't buy items from companies that have substandard working conditions, etc. Otherwise, you are an "attempted murderer" as well. :roll:

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Considering the people who think I'm a total dick attempted to murder innocent people by intentionally getting behind the wheel of a vehicle when intoxicated, I honestly couldn't care less.

So you've never driven? I mean, drinking and driving increases your risk of "murdering innocent people," but simply driving a car contributes to this "murder rate" you vehemently oppose.

So shouldn't you and your perfect clique refrain from driving at all? Especially with radios, cell-phones, conversations, sneezing, coughing, and all the other things that could distract you can make you "intentionally murder someone?"

Not in any way, shape, or form what this thread is about. Nice attempt at a redirect though.

Sure it is, you decided to equate DUI with the felony of "attempted murder," something that common sense does not support, nor do the laws of this nation.

I hope the hell you have 100% of your vaccines, don't buy real diamond, have routine checkups, don't buy items from companies that have substandard working conditions, etc, otherwise, you are an "attempted murder" as well. :roll:

I don't see what else you could consider it.

I'm betting most people have heard that drinking and driving increase the likelihood of getting in an accident. That means that if they do it they were consensually participating in an action that they KNEW could cause the death of another person.

OK, that's not actually murder under the law, it's either manslaughter, reckless endangerment, or something similar. But I'm not talking about legality, I'm talking about morality.

The choice to drive drunk is the choice to risk killing an innocent person without just cause.

And actually I do my best not to support the things you mention, for exactly the reasons you mention. Hence, I don't shop at retailers specializing in over-sees merchandise (wal-mart), I don't buy designer clothes, etc.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Here ya go. Happy?

 

[JMWarren]

It'd be funny if the mod's posted the names of everyone that said yes...

 

[BurnItDwn]

I never drive if I've had more then 2 or 3 beers. (Unless I give myself plenty of rest/time to sober up.)

Even if I don't "feel" drunk, I still know that reaction time can be slowed.
I also know I'd rather pay for a taxi then get a DUI.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Here ya go. Happy?

You're quite the martyr, aren't you? :roll:

 

[JujuFish]

Am I the only one who reads this question as driving below the limit? After all, if it's legal, it's okay to do.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: JMWarren
It'd be funny if the mod's posted the names of everyone that said yes...

Why? Almost all of us already posted 'yes' somewhere in the thread.

What are you, 12?

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Here ya go. Happy?

You're quite the martyr, aren't you? :roll:

Just trying to do what's right. It's kind of my thing you see.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: JMWarren
It'd be funny if the mod's posted the names of everyone that said yes...

Why? Almost all of us already posted 'yes' somewhere in the thread.

What are you, 12?

Haha...

Since you care about names, my name is Andrew and I posted an exceptionally stupid thing I did a page or so back.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands


OH you worthless piece of dog crap. Way to edit your post asshole. You know god damned well you said EXACTLY 'essentially everyone', and so do a lot of other people. You call me names and then PROVE that you are an honorless, gutless, sorry, pitiable little bitch.

You said it, and we'll both always know that you're a liar.

IMO, that's ban-worthy.

Wow - hot temper on Mr. Perfect. It's particularly ironic he accuses you of editing your post (since he thought you had said something I did), then edits his own to remove his gratuitous personal attacks.

As I said before, I don't think we need any more members of his "group."

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
I don't see what else you could consider it.

I'm betting most people have heard that drinking and driving increase the likelihood of getting in an accident. That means that if they do it they were consensually participating in an action that they KNEW could cause the death of another person.

So anyone that has ever driven sleepy, on cold medication, with a crying baby in the backseat, with the raido up loud, or while talking on a cell-phone is also "guilty" of willingly participating in a act that they probably know could lead to the death of another person?

Where do you draw the line, Your Highness?

We all agree that drving under the influence is wrong and illegal, but your notion that simply doing it is the moral and functional equivalent of attempted murder is preposterous.

 

[mooseracing]

Yea my name is Paul & i don't go to AA since it is for quitters & can't remem how many times i have driven buzzed and or hammered

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands


OH you worthless piece of dog crap. Way to edit your post asshole. You know god damned well you said EXACTLY 'essentially everyone', and so do a lot of other people. You call me names and then PROVE that you are an honorless, gutless, sorry, pitiable little bitch.

You said it, and we'll both always know that you're a liar.

IMO, that's ban-worthy.

Wow - hot temper on Mr. Perfect. It's particularly ironic he accuses you of editing your post (since he thought you had said something I did), then edits his own to remove his gratuitous personal attacks.

As I said before, I don't think we need any more members of his "group."

Of course I removed them...and I apologized for the mix-up. What I said is plainly quoted in many posts from others, so it's not like I'm hiding. I just don't leave posts up that are wrong. When I make mistakes, I fix them as well as I'm able. I also requested that I be 'vacationed' for it. Not sure what else I could do.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

I don't see what else you could consider it.

I'm betting most people have heard that drinking and driving increase the likelihood of getting in an accident. That means that if they do it they were consensually participating in an action that they KNEW could cause the death of another person.

This is sheer stupidity. DUI is stupid and dangerous, but it isn't "attempted murder" by any stretch of the imagination.

Statistically, driving tired is MORE dangerous than DUI, and driving distracted (whether the distraction comes from a cell phone, food or drink, or another source) is roughly as dangerous. Are these also "attempted murder"?

I am all for identifying and prosecuting drunk drivers, but the shrillness of the extreme end of the anti-DUI lobby makes me want to climb behind the wheel with a fifth of Jack Daniels and a bottle of Vicoden.

 

[DaShen]

People who drive while illegally intoxicated or legally intoxicated but impaired need to get a clue. You a using something that is more deadly than a gun in a lot of circumstances.

You accidentally fire your weapon while drunk, you may kill one or two people. You accidently run over someone while drunk driving, and more than likely, that guy is dead. You hit a car with a family in it drunk driving, and you possibly have killed the kids, the family, or yourself.

**EDIT**

I have driven after having a beer or two over the course of two-three hours. I have a very high processing rate on alcohol and food, and it goes through my system fast as well (I can literally down 6+ shots in a course of 10 minutes before I feel anything although I don't usually do this). Even still, I make sure to drink a lot of water and wait if I feel any (and I mean any) affects from the alcohol at all. Why drive impaired?

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
I don't see what else you could consider it.

I'm betting most people have heard that drinking and driving increase the likelihood of getting in an accident. That means that if they do it they were consensually participating in an action that they KNEW could cause the death of another person.

So anyone that has ever driven sleepy, on cold medication, with a crying baby in the backseat, with the raido up loud, or while talking on a cell-phone is also "guilty" of willingly participating in a act that they probably know could lead to the death of another person?

Where do you draw the line, Your Highness?

We all agree that drving under the influence is wrong and illegal, but your notion that simply doing it is the moral and functional equivalent of attempted murder is preposterous.

I understand your point, really I do. I guess I just see the line in a different place than you do. *shrug* Not sure what else is left to say about it. I consider it intentional attempted murder. I'm not saying my mind can't be changed, but I've felt that way since I was like 13 or 14, so you have to realize that a lot of people by now have failed to make an argument I find valid.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

I don't see what else you could consider it.

I'm betting most people have heard that drinking and driving increase the likelihood of getting in an accident. That means that if they do it they were consensually participating in an action that they KNEW could cause the death of another person.

This is sheer stupidity. DUI is stupid and dangerous, but it isn't "attempted murder" by any stretch of the imagination.

Statistically, driving tired is MORE dangerous than DUI, and driving distracted (whether the distraction comes from a cell phone, food or drink, or another source) is roughly as dangerous. Are these also "attempted murder"?

I am all for identifying and prosecuting drunk drivers, but the shrillness of the extreme end of the anti-DUI lobby makes me want to climb behind the wheel with a fifth of Jack Daniels and a bottle of Vicoden.

I see it differently. *shrug* I consider it a premeditated attempt to harm me or my child (or any innocent for that matter). If something threatens the safety of another, just don't do it. It's really not that hard. If you CHOOSE to threaten the life of another, then they should have the right to defend themselves or, since it's impossible to do that in a car, they should at least be entitled to justice.

For the record, I aboslutely support the death penalty for anyone with more than 2 DUI's (and I MIGHT even go life in prison for 2). If you're willing to repeatedly risk taking anothers life, you're too dangerous to be allowed in the general public.

 

[Jzero]

"Legally Intoxicated" in many states is "Smelled alcohol fumes within the last 2 hours."
Big difference in being "legally intoxicated" and actually impaired.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

I see it differently. *shrug* I consider it a premeditated attempt to harm me or my child (or any innocent for that matter). If something threatens the safety of another, just don't do it. It's really not that hard.

ANY driving threatens your own safety, as well as the safety of others.

Do you have cupholders in your car? Do you use them? That, by your definition, is attempted murder.

Do you allow passengers in your car? Do you talk to them while driving? Off to the gallows with you!

God forbid you ever talk on a cell phone in the car, or drive when you've had less than 8 hours of sleep the previous night - you're signing some child's death warrant! You're a natural born killer!

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

I don't see what else you could consider it.

I'm betting most people have heard that drinking and driving increase the likelihood of getting in an accident. That means that if they do it they were consensually participating in an action that they KNEW could cause the death of another person.

This is sheer stupidity. DUI is stupid and dangerous, but it isn't "attempted murder" by any stretch of the imagination.

Statistically, driving tired is MORE dangerous than DUI, and driving distracted (whether the distraction comes from a cell phone, food or drink, or another source) is roughly as dangerous. Are these also "attempted murder"?

I am all for identifying and prosecuting drunk drivers, but the shrillness of the extreme end of the anti-DUI lobby makes me want to climb behind the wheel with a fifth of Jack Daniels and a bottle of Vicoden.

I see it differently. *shrug* I consider it a premeditated attempt to harm me or my child (or any innocent for that matter). If something threatens the safety of another, just don't do it. It's really not that hard.

Well, for one, the legal limits are too low. In TN, it is .08, or maybe even .06. That is like 2 beers in one hour for me, and no way in hell could 2 beers in one hour effect my driving.

They lower the limits to increase the number of DUI's given out, to increase revenue. It's all about money, much more so than it is saving lives, or any morality.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

I see it differently. *shrug* I consider it a premeditated attempt to harm me or my child (or any innocent for that matter). If something threatens the safety of another, just don't do it. It's really not that hard.

ANY driving threatens your own safety, as well as the safety of others.

Do you have cupholders in your car? Do you use them? That, by your definition, is attempted murder.

Do you allow passengers in your car? Do you talk to them while driving? Off to the gallows with you!

God forbid you ever talk on a cell phone in the car, or drive when you've had less than 8 hours of sleep the previous night - you're signing some child's death warrant! You're a natural born killer!

Again, I hear you...I truly do. I just see intentionally impairing yourself with something so obviously dangerous as different...especially given the ease of avoidance.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

For the record, I aboslutely support the death penalty for anyone with more than 2 DUI's (and I MIGHT even go life in prison for 2). If you're willing to repeatedly risk taking anothers life, you're too dangerous to be allowed in the general public.

:roll:

Do you have any idea how clogged the courts would be? You're essentially saying that a serial child molester is less dangerous than a repeat drunk driver. Hell, they didn't even pursue the death penalty for OJ, and he killed two innocent people!

 

[amdhunter]

Originally posted by: Xyclone
Nope, never, and also plan never to do so in the future.

Same here. I remember having to give my mother $50 in cab money because I got loaded and couldn't drive her to a doctors appointment the next morning.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Again, I hear you...I truly do. I just see intentionally impairing yourself with something so obviously dangerous as different...especially given the ease of avoidance.

Do you support criminal prosecution for the things I asked about? Statistically they are similarly dangerous to drunk driving, and they're sure as hell avoidable.