POLL Hide post counts or not?

[CTho9305]

I voted no. I am not a nef.

Post count, IMHO, gives you an idea of how much time the person spends here. I mean, there are people who read a lot and only post a few times, but I'm not counting them .

I dont know if its really relevant. But most forums show post count, and thats what I'm used to

 

[pyonir]

Originally posted by: aphexII

Originally posted by: etech
Yakko is lying and is one of the worst nefs this board has.. He cares very much about post count. He rarely posts anything of substance yet he is managing to rack up around one hundred posts a day.

I still say to take the top ten list of posters off of the today page. Maybe then the nefs wouldn?t care so much about their post count. Just hiding the post count won?t help as long as they can swell their little chests with pride that they are on the top ten poster list.

It that doesn?t work, go back to banning the nefs for awhile. It worked in the old days and could still work.

It's 10:53 pm CST and yakko's post count is 19,847. Does anyone want to place bets on how many hours or minutes it will be till he hits 20,000? It's all about post count for some.

Please stop with the personal attacks. Aside from being rude, it will not help your cause.

i voted no and i didn't explain my answer because i have explained my answer in the three other threads for this topic. i think people that make numerous personal attacks should be banned too.

:disgust:

 

[bizmark]

Originally posted by: Hossenfeffer

Maybe as a better option for the FS/FT members, there would be an ebay-style "rating" that's designated just for FS/FT?

Would need a change to the FuseTalk software (translation: it won't be happening). We've got heatware. Use it wisely, and you (and the rest of us alike) will see its value increase. There is a lot of burden placed on the individual users to use common sense. We've got the tools, just so many fail to consistently use them. All sorts of conventions that people can choose (or be forced) to adopt (some already have) such as: Heatware links in their sig that show the number of positive, neutral, negative evals, Locations in their sig, etc.

The signature has tremendous potential if the traders come together and use it.

I agree, heatware is a much better solution and it doesn't require any work on the part of Zuni, but there seems to be a concern among the FS/FTers about doing away with postcount etc., so I thought that maybe they were looking for an 'internal' (to AnandTech) solution.

In order to see postcount become something actually meaningful, I think that some system needs to be put into place by which posts are 'judged' by the software as worthy or not.

Semi-interesting idea, but again, it would mean a change in the Fusetalk software. Not to mention the extra load that "might" be placed on the servers to adequately screen one-line posts.[/quote]

I don't know, it doesn't seem to me like this would be THAT hard, given everything else that Fusetalk seems to take care of already! Just an IF statement somewhere. And it doesn't need to worry about being complicated by ... oh damnit, I keep coming up with solutions, but then I keep coming up with ways that people would undoubtedly get around them. :|

I was going to say, that it wouldn't need to worry about editing or anything, it would only count on the initial post, and if it was later edited to more than one line, the software wouldn't have to worry about it. Conversely, if the initial post is longer than two lines, and then it's edited to less than one, it would remain on the postcount. But then we would have people posting two-line posts, and then directly afterwards editing them :|

Well, I don't know how much logging already takes place, and this is adding much to the complexity of the software, but maybe if somebody edits their messages within a minute after posting them, a Mod is alerted and if a pattern is discerned, then they're warned/banned?

This is a really tough situation with which to deal, and I'm just happy that I'm not Anand or Zuni and have to worry about this as anything more than a frivolous activity. Hopefully they can find a solution that will be satisfactory and will allow them to keep the Forums up and free. I frankly don't know if easy solutions exist, as the boards have probably gotten bigger than they've never anticipated.

 

[Hossenfeffer]

but there seems to be a concern among the FS/FTers about doing away with postcount etc.

Anyone that thinks that post count has anything to do with one's merit as a trader is sorely in need of a V-8 (read: they're off-kilter).

And the more solutions that contain the words "and it doesn't require any work on the part of Zuni", the better. Zuni likes those sort of solutions.

Mastertech's suggestion to base member status on actual days logged on (or some other combination of joined date and days logged on) sounds like a vastly superior method. All but eliminates the urge for status-hungry folks to post "just because" they're working towards the next plateau.

 

[Red Dawn]

Hey wbwither, for a noob you sure seem to spend a lot of time here in Forum issues whining about things.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Yes, its the final solution. As a bonus, you will be giving so many people their lives back, including everyone in the infamous 'top 10' list. Those poor people need your help!

OTOH, some of those people are motivated to contribute to the forums in a meaningful fashion. Sure a high post count gets you recognition. Just look at all the brewhaha we have in this thread.

 

[Geekbabe]

I really don't care about post counts, the thing that does worry me are trolls like the one who pretended to be me, whoever they were they used my avatar,my sig and the spelling of the
username was so close you had to really look at it to notice that it wasn't me a newbie on the trading boards wouldn't pick up on that right away.Such a troll could cause real headaches for good members who trade regularly here.

 

[etech]

pyonir

i voted no and i didn't explain my answer because i have explained my answer in the three other threads for this topic. i think people that make numerous personal attacks should be banned too.

You are one of the nefs that is causing the problem. I really don't care what you think, but I will say this. Stating facts is not a personal attack. Yakko is a nef that is in the post count race as you seem to be. Look at Yakko's AIM name, "yakkonef". He seems to be rather proud of his nef status.


The Prince is now home safe! +++Update+++

pyonir

WELCOME BACK!!!!!!! i've picked up the slack for you while you were gone...

need evidence....check the profile

So, lets check your profile.
Average Posts Per Day: 34.53

case closed.

Nefs used to be banned. I still think that they should be. There would not have to be any changes to the board. We would all just be following the rules as they have been accepted by members and enforced by the moderators over the years. If the rules have changed the mods should let us know. If they haven't than they should be followed. It's really very simple and should not require this much debate.

 

[Gaard]

How about a Anandtech Moderator opinion? Do you guys feel that there is a problem with nefs? Do you think hiding post counts will, if it eliminates nefs, make your job easier? Do you agree with the pros and cons listed in the other thread? Because there are many of you (moderators) are you entitled to your own opinions or are you obligated to converse and come up with a 'group opinion'? Are you guys even allowed to voice your opinion here?

Just wondering. If I've stepped over the line by asking these questions just delete this post and no hard feelings.

We dislike Neff?s immensely. That's why you hardly ever see one with an Elite title.

 

[Hossenfeffer]

Originally posted by: baffled2
I really don't care about post counts, the thing that does worry me are trolls like the one who pretended to be me, whoever they were they used my avatar,my sig and the spelling of the
username was so close you had to really look at it to notice that it wasn't me a newbie on the trading boards wouldn't pick up on that right away.Such a troll could cause real headaches for good members who trade regularly here.

Using Mastertech's suggestion to base member status off of actual days logged on (possibly including some aspect of the joined date as well), your member status alone would be enough to discredit any troll. Could check the post counts with a simple mouse-over (beating the dead horse ).

 

[aphex]

Stating facts is not a personal attack.

The way you go about, yes, it is a personal attack.

 

[yakko]

Originally posted by: etech
pyonir

i voted no and i didn't explain my answer because i have explained my answer in the three other threads for this topic. i think people that make numerous personal attacks should be banned too.

You are one of the nefs that is causing the problem. I really don't care what you think, but I will say this. Stating facts is not a personal attack. Yakko is a nef that is in the post count race as you seem to be. Look at Yakko's AIM name, "yakkonef". He seems to be rather proud of his nef status.


The Prince is now home safe! +++Update+++

pyonir

WELCOME BACK!!!!!!! i've picked up the slack for you while you were gone...

need evidence....check the profile

So, lets check your profile.
Average Posts Per Day: 34.53

case closed.

Nefs used to be banned. I still think that they should be. There would not have to be any changes to the board. We would all just be following the rules as they have been accepted by members and enforced by the moderators over the years. If the rules have changed the mods should let us know. If they haven't than they should be followed. It's really very simple and should not require this much debate.

What have I done that is a banning offense? I am not in any kind of post count race with anyone so saying I am racing anyone is not a fact. You really should learn the difference between a fact and your opinion. Also could you show a little comon courtesy and spell my username correctly? It is not that hard to do since it is right under my avatar. Also yakkonef is one of my AIM names not the only name.

 

[bizmark]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Hey wbwither, for a noob you sure seem to spend a lot of time here in Forum issues whining about things.

Yeah, it is kind of strange I know. Look at Gaard, he's doing the same thing. Is there something wrong with it? I really like this place, and I dislike that there's a problem with it, and I'm just trying to be helpful. I know I'm too damn long-winded, but that's bigger issue that I need to deal with personally. Please know that before I hit "post", I go through and take out stuff that I think is unnecessary babbling. Sometimes I delete entire paragraphs. However, I think that these issues are worth going over in-depth.

And it's bizmark now

 

[Red Dawn]

Well I'm just going by post counts. If you had more you opinion would mean more...hint!!

 

[pyonir]

pyonir

WELCOME BACK!!!!!!! i've picked up the slack for you while you were gone...

need evidence....check the profile

So, lets check your profile.
Average Posts Per Day: 34.53

case closed.

Nefs used to be banned. I still think that they should be. There would not have to be any changes to the board. We would all just be following the rules as they have been accepted by members and enforced by the moderators over the years. If the rules have changed the mods should let us know. If they haven't than they should be followed. It's really very simple and should not require this much debate.

so just because i post 95% of my posts from work, where i am usually bored beyond belief and have a high ppd count that is your criteria for a nef? sure i have had some nef posts, does that mean ALL my posts are meaningless? i highly doubt it. i don't consider bring a smile to someone's face a nef. you think i am part of the problem? then why haven't i been banned yet? seems to me i stay within the parameters of the rules. bitch and whine and moan. i think you are part of the problem.

 

[etech]

pyonir

yeah but the copycat posts are annoying. I nef, and i admit it. "My name is Pyonir. I am a nef" [group all together]Hello Pyonir![/group all together] but creating a new thread that copycats or plays off another one that has absolutely NO point is lame.

My wife just calls me stubborn.

 

[pyonir]

obviously you didn't read. "sure i have had some nef posts, does that mean ALL my posts are meaningless?" (from the post just above yours). hmm happen to look at the date of that thread, and when i joined. only been here a month. ever heard of laughs and jokes between friends? didn't think so. you'd actually have to have friends.

ya know...i'm sure you can find a few more where that came from. continue. i could care less. i've stated my thoughts, and i stand behind them 100%.

i'll continue to post exactly the way i always have, if i get banned for neffing, then fine. but i doubt i will. have a nice life etech.

 

[lawaris]

NO

I voted no.

Post count tells me that how active a member is here and for how long.
Even if he/she nefs a lil' bit .... it still means that he thinks of this place as somewhere he belongs.

That makes it more difficult for him to cheat others !
A troll will not try to put in 2000 posts before acting on his plans.

Then, the other thing is ...... u start with a particular forum say ATOT ( in the worst case ) and keep posting there ..... over a time ... you tend to check out the other forums and realise that you can actually contribute to the growth of the forums.
For eg. As I had said I had more than 1000 posts before I even knew about these issues ... all of them were in FS/FT and Hot Deals.
Then I came across ATOT and now am a regular there too !
It makes me happy when someone comes up with a problem and I genuinely try to help him knowing that the guy has been posting for long and hence is ( most likely ) not likely playing with issues.
As you know sometimes the stuff gets heavy there .

Lastly, it's not the biggest deal for me .... but yes the post count I have and the ranking is something I am proud of .
I am still a member with about a 100 posts in FW and H-OCP and ARS etc.
Go and figure out why ?

 

[RossMAN]

This has been an immensely amusing thread, please keep it up

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: RossMAN
This has been an immensely amusing thread, please keep it up

True. What I really like are the ones who voted no because they want to see how long someone has been here. The suggestion to eliminate the post count wasn't made. The suggestion was to hide the post count in the profile or some like place. It really should be implemented.

 

[Azraele]

they want to see how long someone has been here

The best way to gague that is by join date. Say they decided to hide post count under profile, and member information not hidden would include join date and member status. So if a user is interested, they'd see Join Date Oct 2000 Golden Member. If they wanted further information, they'd have to click the profile. I'd think that'd be enough.

 

[Hossenfeffer]

Two words: Mouse over

 

[RossMAN]

Does the mouse over icon still work? I tried it on Azraele and it didn't work.

 

[Hossenfeffer]

Originally posted by: RossMAN
Does the mouse over icon still work? I tried it on Azraele and it didn't work.

Nah, fusetalk 3 didn't come with any user info with a mouse over. Maybe I'm completely off my rocker, but I think it would be great to be able to show location and/or join date with a mouse over. What's that you say? Mouse over? Why, yes indeed, I do support it

*cough*need-a-nap*cough*

 

[chickendinner]

Seems like the "nefs", who post a lot, would be annoyed by the bandwith and subscribe. By getting rid of post count AT would do more harm than good IMHO.