Poll: 10" or 12" woofer

[Hayabusa Rider]

We don't know what the application is, we don't know about the amp. We don't know nuthin.

No one CAN have a good answer to his quesiton because it's like asking which is better the letter "a" or the letter "x". There is no context.

 

[nan0bug]

Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1

Originally posted by: Tetsuo

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Properly done 8 inch woofers are superior for quality/tight bass.....

:beer: Someone with teh brains speaks!

:Q its the beer man, put it down. what he just say was completely FALSE.

MIKE

No, its not, although a perfect setup would use some high powered 8s for tigher bass and a lower powered 15 for more resonance.

 

[95SS]

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Properly done 8 inch woofers are superior for quality/tight bass.....oh, if you listen to crap, sorry rap then I guess that really doesn't matter.

are you part of the ppl who believe 15" woofers can only be sloppy??

edit: cuz i believe my 12" subs are some of the tightest subs out there, and well, will kick almost every 8" sub in the ass in the SQ department (minus, the one 8 i know of for sure it cant beat which is another eD woofer)

MIKE

I guess you are one of those people who like playing your music for everyone else and not for yourself. The soundwave of a 15" woofer does not fully develop within the confines of a car so you are missing a porton of your music, but all the poor bastards down the street aren't.

What makes the sound wave of a 15" woofer different from that of a 12" woofer?

Just what i was wondering. 25Hz = 25Hz, no matter what size driver it came from. Bigger driver = more possible displacement, depending on Sd (Cone surface area) and XMax (One way linear travel). I know of 10" drivers that displace more air than some 15" drivers. It's all in the driver, assuming that said driver is in the optimal enclosure.

 

[Shockwave]

Bigger = better, all other things being equal.
Driver quality is VASTLY more important then driver size. A GOOD 10 will smoke most average 12's, even some 15's. A GOOD 15...Well, aint much gonna touch that for sound quality OR output, provided the install is done correctly.

But, for true sound quality get a large coned high quality sub. A 15" is the way to go man.

 

[Apex]

Originally posted by: nan0bug

Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1

Originally posted by: Tetsuo

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Properly done 8 inch woofers are superior for quality/tight bass.....

:beer: Someone with teh brains speaks!

:Q its the beer man, put it down. what he just say was completely FALSE.

MIKE

No, its not, although a perfect setup would use some high powered 8s for tigher bass and a lower powered 15 for more resonance.

Sadly mistaken.

 

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: nan0bug

Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1

Originally posted by: Tetsuo

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Properly done 8 inch woofers are superior for quality/tight bass.....

:beer: Someone with teh brains speaks!

:Q its the beer man, put it down. what he just say was completely FALSE.

MIKE

No, its not, although a perfect setup would use some high powered 8s for tigher bass and a lower powered 15 for more resonance.

Sadly mistaken.

You must forgive the nubs of audio. Most of them think smaller cones = tighter bass. Its the myth that wont die, along with amps having "sound quality" If we could get rid of those two we'd be ALOT better off.

 

[95SS]

Originally posted by: Shockwave
Bigger = better, all other things being equal.
Driver quality is VASTLY more important then driver size. A GOOD 10 will smoke most average 12's, even some 15's. A GOOD 15...Well, aint much gonna touch that for sound quality OR output, provided the install is done correctly.

But, for true sound quality get a large coned high quality sub. A 15" is the way to go man.

Exactly - Just get two of these 15's, in a vented box tuned to the mid to low 20's and about 1000W per sub. SQ and SPL like no other.

 

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by: 95SS

Originally posted by: Shockwave
Bigger = better, all other things being equal.
Driver quality is VASTLY more important then driver size. A GOOD 10 will smoke most average 12's, even some 15's. A GOOD 15...Well, aint much gonna touch that for sound quality OR output, provided the install is done correctly.

But, for true sound quality get a large coned high quality sub. A 15" is the way to go man.

Exactly - Just get two of these 15's, in a vented box tuned to the mid to low 20's and about 1000W per sub. SQ and SPL like no other.

I can vouch for that. I have 1 Brahma 12 ported tuned to 28 hertz with 1500 watts. Gravy baby, gravy

 

[95SS]

along with amps having "sound quality"

I wish some "audiophiles" would step up and takes RC's $10K test. Maybe that would shut them up!!

:evil:

 

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by: 95SS

along with amps having "sound quality"

I wish some "audiophiles" would step up and takes RC's $10K test. Maybe that would shut them up!!

:evil:

Some have. All failed. The myth continues.....

 

[CraigRT]

10's sound much cleaner, but if you want more pound, bigger IS better.

clean sound = 10's for SURE.

and this is not a matter of you thinking you can't notice a difference it's all BS. try hooking up a 10 and a 12.. the 12 is more for boom boom, the 10 is for listening pleasure... i personally don't like a sub even ON unless it's RAP or HIP HOP music, and/or i can adjust it down for other types of music so it's not as overpowering. I prefer subs for HT mostly, or in the car of course......

 

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by: CraigRT
10's sound much cleaner, but if you want more pound, bigger IS better.

clean sound = 10's for SURE.

and this is not a matter of you thinking you can't notice a difference it's all BS. try hooking up a 10 and a 12.. the 12 is more for boom boom, the 10 is for listening pleasure... i personally don't like a sub even ON unless it's RAP or HIP HOP music, and/or i can adjust it down for other types of music so it's not as overpowering. I prefer subs for HT mostly, or in the car of course......

You sir are an idiot. A bigger cone, provided the woofer is correctly made, wil sound BETTER then a smaller cone. Please dont spread bullshyte next time ok?

 

[fyleow]

Originally posted by: Shockwave

Originally posted by: 95SS

along with amps having "sound quality"

I wish some "audiophiles" would step up and takes RC's $10K test. Maybe that would shut them up!!

:evil:

Some have. All failed. The myth continues.....

Wow so there is no sound quality difference between amps? Good one.

You're going to start telling me there's no difference between 128kbps MP3 and CD audio too right?

 

[MustangSVT]

depends on your room size and the type/brand/specs of the sub.

 

[fyleow]

Originally posted by: Shockwave

Originally posted by: CraigRT
10's sound much cleaner, but if you want more pound, bigger IS better.

clean sound = 10's for SURE.

and this is not a matter of you thinking you can't notice a difference it's all BS. try hooking up a 10 and a 12.. the 12 is more for boom boom, the 10 is for listening pleasure... i personally don't like a sub even ON unless it's RAP or HIP HOP music, and/or i can adjust it down for other types of music so it's not as overpowering. I prefer subs for HT mostly, or in the car of course......

You sir are an idiot. A bigger cone, provided the woofer is correctly made, wil sound BETTER then a smaller cone. Please dont spread bullshyte next time ok?

Please disregard any important considerations like room size, compatibility with your other speakers, and application. Just get the BIGGEST BADDEST "BOOM" "BOOM" sub you can. The bigger the better! Because Bass is all that matters.

 

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by: fyleow

Originally posted by: Shockwave

Originally posted by: 95SS

along with amps having "sound quality"

I wish some "audiophiles" would step up and takes RC's $10K test. Maybe that would shut them up!!

:evil:

Some have. All failed. The myth continues.....

Wow so there is no sound quality difference between amps? Good one.

You're going to start telling me there's no difference between 128kbps MP3 and CD audio too right?

Your an idiot too. An amp AMPLIFIES, hence its name. If it does something else, its not an AMPLIFIER is it. Again, until you do a little research, help yourself to a cup of STFU and let the big peoples talk eh?

 

[EvilYoda]

what an...open ended question. Just buy an 11" and be happy. (yes, I know...)

 

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by: fyleow

Originally posted by: Shockwave

Originally posted by: CraigRT
10's sound much cleaner, but if you want more pound, bigger IS better.

clean sound = 10's for SURE.

and this is not a matter of you thinking you can't notice a difference it's all BS. try hooking up a 10 and a 12.. the 12 is more for boom boom, the 10 is for listening pleasure... i personally don't like a sub even ON unless it's RAP or HIP HOP music, and/or i can adjust it down for other types of music so it's not as overpowering. I prefer subs for HT mostly, or in the car of course......

You sir are an idiot. A bigger cone, provided the woofer is correctly made, wil sound BETTER then a smaller cone. Please dont spread bullshyte next time ok?

Please disregard any important considerations like room size, compatibility with your other speakers, and application. Just get the BIGGEST BADDEST "BOOM" "BOOM" sub you can. The bigger the better! Because Bass is all that matters.

Good point. Cause a bigger room actually requires a bigger cone. And Lord knows amps dont have GAIN on them do they?
until you can explain the relation of Bl versus VC travel, please go sit over there on the sideline ok cheif?

 

[Shockwave]

I'm not gonna argue with noobs of audio all night. To the original poster, TRUST ME, a larger cone, provided the woofer is of sufficient quality, will ALWAYS (Barring box size) be preferable to a smaller driver. In EVERY - SINGLE - SCENRAIO, unless you dont have the space for a proper box. Install is key. And a large, high end driver in a proper install will blow your socks off with the sound quality. If you need more info, PM me about this thread and I'll hit it up tomorrow. Otherwise, night fellas

 

[95SS]

Originally posted by: Shockwave

Originally posted by: fyleow

Originally posted by: Shockwave

Originally posted by: 95SS

along with amps having "sound quality"

I wish some "audiophiles" would step up and takes RC's $10K test. Maybe that would shut them up!!

:evil:

Some have. All failed. The myth continues.....

Wow so there is no sound quality difference between amps? Good one.

You're going to start telling me there's no difference between 128kbps MP3 and CD audio too right?

Your an idiot too. An amp AMPLIFIES, hence its name. If it does something else, its not an AMPLIFIER is it. Again, until you do a little research, help yourself to a cup of STFU and let the big peoples talk eh?

Don't waste your keystrokes. Some people can't be saved. You just have to let them go.

 

[fyleow]

Originally posted by: Shockwave

Originally posted by: fyleow

Originally posted by: Shockwave

Originally posted by: CraigRT
10's sound much cleaner, but if you want more pound, bigger IS better.

clean sound = 10's for SURE.

and this is not a matter of you thinking you can't notice a difference it's all BS. try hooking up a 10 and a 12.. the 12 is more for boom boom, the 10 is for listening pleasure... i personally don't like a sub even ON unless it's RAP or HIP HOP music, and/or i can adjust it down for other types of music so it's not as overpowering. I prefer subs for HT mostly, or in the car of course......

You sir are an idiot. A bigger cone, provided the woofer is correctly made, wil sound BETTER then a smaller cone. Please dont spread bullshyte next time ok?

Please disregard any important considerations like room size, compatibility with your other speakers, and application. Just get the BIGGEST BADDEST "BOOM" "BOOM" sub you can. The bigger the better! Because Bass is all that matters.

Good point. Cause a bigger room actually requires a bigger cone. And Lord knows amps dont have GAIN on them do they?
until you can explain the relation of Bl versus VC travel, please go sit over there on the sideline ok cheif?

And you need 28 hz at 1500 Watts for what again?

Your an idiot too. An amp AMPLIFIES, hence its name. If it does something else, its not an AMPLIFIER is it. Again, until you do a little research, help yourself to a cup of STFU and let the big peoples talk eh?

Yeah and while we are at it, all CD players and DACs are created equal. Because you know, all cd players read discs and since they are digital they will all be the same! Same with DACs, a DAC converts digital signals to analog, hence its name!

 

[fyleow]

Originally posted by: 95SS

Originally posted by: Shockwave

Originally posted by: fyleow

Originally posted by: Shockwave

Originally posted by: 95SS

along with amps having "sound quality"

I wish some "audiophiles" would step up and takes RC's $10K test. Maybe that would shut them up!!

:evil:

Some have. All failed. The myth continues.....

Wow so there is no sound quality difference between amps? Good one.

You're going to start telling me there's no difference between 128kbps MP3 and CD audio too right?

Your an idiot too. An amp AMPLIFIES, hence its name. If it does something else, its not an AMPLIFIER is it. Again, until you do a little research, help yourself to a cup of STFU and let the big peoples talk eh?

Don't waste your keystrokes. Some people can't be saved. You just have to let them go.

Okay genius then why are tube amps still being produced? Solid state amplifiers are so much easier to make and yet there are people who still prefer tubes. I'm sure it's all in psychological right? Companies like Texas Instruments throw money into amplifier R&D for fun?

 

[Viperoni]

I'm quite skeptical about the "all amps are the same" thing myself. Wouldn't an amp with an underbuilt power supply section suffer worse distrotion and much less headroom near clipping than an amplifier with an overbuilt PS section?

Here's the 2 most common reasons why people think and/or 15's do sound sloppy:
#1: They're often placed in boxes too small for them to produce good SQ to begin with
#2: If they are in a properly sized box, they're usually natural amount of deep bass (IE: 40hz stuff) and lack of midbass emphasis are INTERPRETED as being sloppy, when it's actually the opposite.

 

[nan0bug]

Originally posted by: Shockwave

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: nan0bug

Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1

Originally posted by: Tetsuo

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Properly done 8 inch woofers are superior for quality/tight bass.....

:beer: Someone with teh brains speaks!

:Q its the beer man, put it down. what he just say was completely FALSE.

MIKE

No, its not, although a perfect setup would use some high powered 8s for tigher bass and a lower powered 15 for more resonance.

Sadly mistaken.

You must forgive the nubs of audio. Most of them think smaller cones = tighter bass. Its the myth that wont die, along with amps having "sound quality" If we could get rid of those two we'd be ALOT better off.

Its quite simple really. Less surface to move means a quicker response to frequency changes, however it sacrifices the ability to hit as low or as hard as larger subs. I guess you're going to tell me that midbass drivers are a waste of money next, right?

Just because the music you listen to doesn't bring out the difference in sound quality doesn't mean it doesn't exist. If you doubt me I suggest you pick up some drum and bass and tell me how 'clean' it sounds on a pair of 15s.

 

[drewdogg808]

i've always thought that the 10" and 12" will have about the same loudness given everything else equal, but the 12" will hit slightly lower frequencies. i started with one 10"...wasn't enough bass. then went to 2 12"s....too much bass, hearing was going bad after a few months. then went to just one 12"....just right. it's mostly about preference though.

whoops...just saw the above infinity link. i guess i don't know what i was talking about.