policy change in 20 words or less...

[mdram]

And what stack of papers will you require once they show up for the badge of honor.

birth certificate and ss card should work, but the states should decide that

edit: or even better. the same info you need for a concealed carry permit. or even drivers license

 

[Ken g6]

Are people in the US against a national ID card? Would make all this voter ID/voter fraud bullshit go away.

I think the religious people here freak out about it possibly being the Mark of the Beast or something.

 

[ecogen]

I think the religious people here freak out about it possibly being the Mark of the Beast or something.

Right, okay. Not much to say about that. Wait for them to die off, I guess?

 

[BUTCH1]

Convert all golf courses into medium-to-high density housing. Minimum of 40% required to be subsidized.

I know golf-bashing is popular but some of us, (like me) play on cheap municipal courses. It's a fun way to spend an afternoon, rich snobs are not allowed, excessive beer consumption is encouraged via a girl who rolls around the course selling it!.

 

[Josephus312]

i am rural.
and people have to go someplace to register anyway
when they do register, thats when the thumbprint is done
i am trying to figure out what dems have against people proving they are who they say they are to vote.
heck bank of america requires a thumbprint to cash a check

There are plenty of things that are not actual problems just waiting for you to solve them but this one is regarding an actual right.

Present the ACTUAL problem with evidence that it matters before you make a case that it's needed.

Of course, you can't do that because every time it has been done it's been shown not to be a problem but you still play pretend in your fantasy that it is a grave problem because that is what you fucktards do.

Meanwhile, ALL intelligence agencies warn against Russia being a threat but you don't care about that at all... Why would you, they are doing your God-Kings biddings or rather, perhaps he's doing theirs? You don't even want to know.

 

[mdram]

There are plenty of things that are not actual problems just waiting for you to solve them but this one is regarding an actual right.

Present the ACTUAL problem with evidence that it matters before you make a case that it's needed.

Of course, you can't do that because every time it has been done it's been shown not to be a problem but you still play pretend in your fantasy that it is a grave problem because that is what you fucktards do.

Meanwhile, ALL intelligence agencies warn against Russia being a threat but you don't care about that at all... Why would you, they are doing your God-Kings biddings or rather, perhaps he's doing theirs? You don't even want to know.

i have been saying this since before trump, and before obama.
every election there are cases of voter fraud.
the full extent is not known.

you keep putting more and more conditions on my other rights. why not this one?

 

[fskimospy]

i have been saying this since before trump, and before obama.
every election there are cases of voter fraud.
the full extent is not known.

you keep putting more and more conditions on my other rights. why not this one?

Because the extent of voter fraud is actually known quite well and it is minuscule. It is irrational to take measures that cause fewer people to be able to vote in order to prevent something that for all intents and purposes does not exist.

We should not make irrational laws.

 

[hal2kilo]

birth certificate and ss card should work, but the states should decide that

edit: or even better. the same info you need for a concealed carry permit. or even drivers license

You know there are white people old enough to have been mid wifed and have no papers right?

 

[boomerang]

You know there are white people old enough to have been mid wifed and have no papers right?

This, presented as some sort of argument is hilarious.

 

[Moonbeam]

This, presented as some sort of argument is hilarious.

Really? Don't tell me you fell for the Anti-Christ trying to put the mark of the beast on any who wish to vote. You are going to be easy to cull.

 

[Josephus312]

i have been saying this since before trump, and before obama.
every election there are cases of voter fraud.
the full extent is not known.

you keep putting more and more conditions on my other rights. why not this one?

Who gives a fuck? It's NOT a problem so "fixing" it in a way that may prevent people that you don't want to vote to go vote isn't a solution.

 

[Josephus312]

This, presented as some sort of argument is hilarious.

You do realize that there are still midwives that do this in Texas and that there is no paperwork whether they are illegal or not? It is actually something that was brought up today in another discussion I had.

But fuck them, and fuck you too, your vote should be dismissed on grounds of grave mental illness. You are quite clearly so delusional that you live in a fantasy world with Pixie Melania and the Elv Trump who are wonderful godlike creatures that just spread love wherever they go.

I mean, that's the only explanation for your support, if you were living in reality and watched Trump curtsy to a Saudi Arabian Prince, salute the general of a hostile nation and tell Putins boys top secred information that he'd just gotten from an ally then you, as an American should be absolutely appaled. When you listen to your supposed God-King state that he wants to save American jobs and invokes tarriffs against former allies just to remove sanctions on Russian producers of the same materials so the imports come from there instead, what is going on in your mind?

Is it that Trump is so very intelligent that you can't comprehend this and thus he's playing 469 dimensional ingergalactic chess or is it that he's fucking owned but the oligarchs of Russia and the Prince of SA who collectively own 95% of his fucking business's debt?

For you it seems to be the former which would put you right into straight jacket territory of delusional disorder.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Mandatory one year government service for all 18 year olds, choice of community, military or peace corps, no deferments.

 

[Josephus312]

Mandatory one year government service for all 18 year olds, choice of community, military or peace corps, no deferments.

Change it to military service and I'll agree.

 

[fskimospy]

Change it to military service and I'll agree.

Why military only? As someone who served for seven years his idea is better.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Change it to military service and I'll agree.

I agree, but not everyone can mentally or physically handle boot camp, so there would need to be other service options.

 

[Josephus312]

Why military only? As someone who served for seven years his idea is better.

Because basic training isn't just about military training, it's learning how to work with others under a command. It involves living in the field for a while, cooking your own food, making sure your things are in order and last but not least, something MANY are in need of today, it involves physical exercise.

I think that basic training should be a universal thing that everyone goes through, a rite of passage into adulthood. It would also provide the military with an excellent opportunity to recruit far better people than what makes up the armed forces today.

 

[ivwshane]

Change it to military service and I'll agree.

Hell no! In fact I wouldn't allow military service to be one of the options. We don't need a military industrial complex supported by generations of Americans. We don't need more irrational idolization of the military in this country. All that has led to a ridiculous amount of money to a system that constantly grows and feeds off itself and diverts resources away from things that actually improve the country's well being.

 

[Josephus312]

I agree, but not everyone can mentally or physically handle boot camp, so there would need to be other service options.

I think you're wrong, many other nations are returning to the idea of basic training (which is what boot camp is) for all citizens. Most western nations have had that for quite some time and Israel stil has.

Have we gotten so soft and weak that we can't handle what other nations have no problem with? Also, boot camp isn't that straining and people are given a chance to work on their own free time to make sure they can fit the lowest standards. Anyone who can't do that in the end is just a lazy bum.

 

[Josephus312]

Hell no! In fact I wouldn't allow military service to be one of the options. We don't need a military industrial complex supported by generations of Americans. We don't need more irrational idolization of the military in this country, all that had led to is a ridiculous amount of money to a system that constantly grows and feeds off itself and diverts resources away from things that actually improve the country's well being.

This would be a return from privatized forces to the community being the military and if everyone has done basic training there would be far LESS idolization since everyone is involved.

Monetarily it would be far cheaper since room and board is paid for and a modest wage of say, $10 a day is all that is needed.

It will also make people more productive and force them to grow the fuck up instead of spendin their 20's and 30's in moms basement.

You should actually try it if you haven't, just a couple of months would do you a world of good.

 

[fskimospy]

Because basic training isn't just about military training, it's learning how to work with others under a command. It involves living in the field for a while, cooking your own food, making sure your things are in order and last but not least, something MANY are in need of today, it involves physical exercise.

I think that basic training should be a universal thing that everyone goes through, a rite of passage into adulthood. It would also provide the military with an excellent opportunity to recruit far better people than what makes up the armed forces today.

I don’t agree those things are a necessity or would be superior to community or peace corps service.

 

[Josephus312]

I don’t agree those things are a necessity or would be superior to community or peace corps service.

And you'd be wrong, as long as you get to go home every evening you have missed the entire purpose. If you don't get the training you have missed the entire purpose, if you are not stuck in a field in a tent where you have your canned goods and nothing else to live on for a week you have missed the purpose.

The purpose would be to make an adult out of you, not to have you do meaningless work for a while.

 

[Starbuck1975]

And you'd be wrong, as long as you get to go home every evening you have missed the entire purpose. If you don't get the training you have missed the entire purpose, if you are not stuck in a field in a tent where you have your canned goods and nothing else to live on for a week you have missed the purpose.

The purpose would be to make an adult out of you, not to have you do meaningless work for a while.

Peace corps work could be physically demanding, grueling and in a forward deployed like scenario.

Even community service could build mental toughness, like working a homeless shelter or building low income housing or even doing civil projects with the Corps of Engineers.

 

[fskimospy]

And you'd be wrong, as long as you get to go home every evening you have missed the entire purpose. If you don't get the training you have missed the entire purpose, if you are not stuck in a field in a tent where you have your canned goods and nothing else to live on for a week you have missed the purpose.

The purpose would be to make an adult out of you, not to have you do meaningless work for a while.

People in the peace corps don’t get to go home every night and in many ways have a harder life than many military members.

I don’t think you know what you’re talking about.

 

[ivwshane]

This would be a return from privatized forces to the community being the military and if everyone has done basic training there would be far LESS idolization since everyone is involved.

Monetarily it would be far cheaper since room and board is paid for and a modest wage of say, $10 a day is all that is needed.

It will also make people more productive and force them to grow the fuck up instead of spendin their 20's and 30's in moms basement.

You should actually try it if you haven't, just a couple of months would do you a world of good.

I'll pass.

There is no connection between a community and being in the military. We don't need communities whose common ground are military service. I disagree with the notion that the US needs a standing military to protect itself and required service would necessitate a standing army. We already have an issue, in this country, of an us vs them mentality and required military service would perpetuate that.
If you wanted to get rid of our standing army and go back to state controlled militias then maybe required basic training might obtain your goals. That however is an unlikely scenario.