Policeman freaks out during traffic stop

[jlee]

What if it was a private citizen and you heard the same exchange?

I see what you're trying to do, and I'm not going to play your game. There are ways to deal with bad cops. Arresting them on-scene will NOT go well.

 

[BoberFett]

I see what you're trying to do, and I'm not going to play your game. There are ways to deal with bad cops. Arresting them on-scene will NOT go well.

And you wonder why lots of people don't trust your kind.

 

[olds]

I see what you're trying to do, and I'm not going to play your game. There are ways to deal with bad cops. Arresting them on-scene will NOT go well.

And you wonder why lots of people don't trust your kind.

This.
And apparently it is OK to only do parts of your job. The easy parts.

 

[jlee]

This.
And apparently it is OK to only do parts of your job. The easy parts.

Letting internal affairs handle the investigation is a far superior way to address the situation than making an arrest on scene.

 

[olds]

Letting internal affairs handle the investigation is a far superior way to address the situation than making an arrest on scene.

Maybe. But if you guys started policing yourselves, you'd probably garner more respect from the public. I believe eventually it will come down to this and you guys will have too. There are too many instances like this where another cop just looks the other way.
Just saying. Nothing personal.

 

[Zargon]

Maybe. But if you guys started policing yourselves, you'd probably garner more respect from the public. I believe eventually it will come down to this and you guys will have too. There are too many instances like this where another cop just looks the other way.
Just saying. Nothing personal.

internal affairs investigating him IS them policing themselves.

nice un backupable statement there too

 

[waggy]

I see what you're trying to do, and I'm not going to play your game. There are ways to deal with bad cops. Arresting them on-scene will NOT go well.

LOL thats fucking stupid. all that says is that you think you are above a regular citizen.

the way you deal with bad cops is you arrest them (if a crime was commited), remove them from the force, and be fucking honest about it.

instead you have cops trying to cover it up, being put on "leave" with pay, the police union fighting to keep bad cops, and remarks like yours don't help.

and cops wonder why they have a bad public relations heh

 

[Eos]

Maybe. But if you guys started policing yourselves, you'd probably garner more respect from the public. I believe eventually it will come down to this and you guys will have too. There are too many instances like this where another cop just looks the other way.
Just saying. Nothing personal.

internal affairs investigating him IS them policing themselves.

nice un backupable statement there too

If LEOs would not allow things like this to occur, then IA would never be needed. Like tits on a boar. We get milk from cows, so no boar tits are necessary.

 

[Vic Vega]

I think he's trying too hard in the end to look good for the camera. But at least he knew he was on camera and didn't go apeshit. I'm willing to be he wouldnt have been so polite off camera. I'm not saying he would go apeshit like the cop in the OP, but this is definitely a good cop. He was trying to suck up at the end, but I'm sure he wouldn't have done anything crossing the line even if he was off camera.

I'm not against what he did but I got a chuckle out of it. I'm pretty sure it was a PR move to do that like he WANTED to get on youtube with that appearance.

Why are you willing to bet that? He didn't realize he was on camera for quite some time and was behaving admirably.

 

[jlee]

LOL thats fucking stupid. all that says is that you think you are above a regular citizen.

the way you deal with bad cops is you arrest them (if a crime was commited), remove them from the force, and be fucking honest about it.

instead you have cops trying to cover it up, being put on "leave" with pay, the police union fighting to keep bad cops, and remarks like yours don't help.

and cops wonder why they have a bad public relations heh

Example: as a private citizen subject to an unlawful arrest, you still shouldn't resist. You should take it through the appropriate channel (i.e. the court system). As an officer in the OP, the appropriate route is through an internal investigation. If the DA wants to take anything from there, so be it - but at that point it's way over the patrol officer's head.

 

[Lifted]

Example: as a private citizen subject to an unlawful arrest, you still shouldn't resist. You should take it through the appropriate channel (i.e. the court system). As an officer in the OP, the appropriate route is through an internal investigation. If the DA wants to take anything from there, so be it - but at that point it's way over the patrol officer's head.

So what you're sayinig is police threatening detained citizens wth murder is acceptable, arrest is not required, and no laws are being broken.

Gotcha Mr. Officer.

 

[Zargon]

If LEOs would not allow things like this to occur, then IA would never be needed. Like tits on a boar. We get milk from cows, so no boar tits are necessary.

what the second LEO did is what alot of others are trained to do, their best to not make the situation worse.

if you end up with 2 cops in uniform fighting with that guy in the back of the squad 'under arrest', the guy is no better off, if not worse off, and so is the LEO who is trying to do the right thing.

now the other LEO should have said something to a higher up and charges never should have been filed. the DA is doing his job of cover the citys ass, which is what they are paying him to do


what will be sad is if this guy isnt fired after the IA investigation

 

[jlee]

So what you're sayinig is police threatening detained citizens wth murder is acceptable, arrest is not required, and no laws are being broken.

Gotcha Mr. Officer.

Not at all. Learn to read.

 

[Eos]

what the second LEO did is what alot of others are trained to do, their best to not make the situation worse.

if you end up with 2 cops in uniform fighting with that guy in the back of the squad 'under arrest', the guy is no better off, if not worse off, and so is the LEO who is trying to do the right thing.

now the other LEO should have said something to a higher up and charges never should have been filed. the DA is doing his job of cover the citys ass, which is what they are paying him to do

Oops.

I wanted to stress that they should follow the law, and not allow THEMSELVES to take actions that would require IA.

 

[zanejohnson]

haha look at that cops raging boner...

it gives me a boner to see what SOME cops get a boner from...

lol have fun when it comes time to pay for this kind of douchebaggery.. because you will, believe me.. this existence has a funny way of making sure of that

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

I guess I'm the only one okay with what the cop did. I'm sorry if you're out in the middle of the night with possibly suspect characters on the side of the road I have zero sympathy for you. You people don't give a shit because this kind of shit doesn't happen in your neighborhood. I guarantee if this scenario was being played out on the street you live on then you'd be praising the officer for keeping the streets clean.

 

[Lifted]

Not at all. Learn to read.

I did read what YOU wrote. You said you WOULD NOT arrest another officer if they broke the law by threatening a detained citizen with murder.

IMO, that makes you unfit to have a badge.

Cheers.

 

[zanejohnson]

I guess I'm the only one okay with what the cop did. I'm sorry if you're out in the middle of the night with possibly suspect characters on the side of the road I have zero sympathy for you. You people don't give a shit because this kind of shit doesn't happen in your neighborhood. I guarantee if this scenario was being played out on the street you live on then you'd be praising the officer for keeping the streets clean.

clean from what??

why are they automatically doing something bad?

and even if they are? who cares... we have to have some faith in humanity.. or we all lose.

 

[jlee]

I did read what YOU wrote. You said you WOULD NOT arrest another officer if they broke the law by threatening a detained citizen with murder.

IMO, that makes you unfit to have a badge.

Cheers.

I said I would not arrest the other officer on scene in that situation. If he needs to get arrested, it can happen later (probably involving an outside agency - like when a Lieutenant a local department was arrested by State Police). It's not like nobody knows who or where he is. Your solution could end with one, if not two dead people. My solution ends with an appropriate resolution.

There's no immediate need to arrest someone if it can be done later in a better/safer fashion. Same with anything else - if a guy commits a crime and I know where I can find him later, why should I chase him down alone and get in a fight on the side of the road if I can get a warrant, get a few more guys, and handle it in a much safer manner?

If the DA decided to prosecute and a warrant was issued, I would certainly go arrest a fellow officer. No problem at all. However, getting in a fight during a traffic stop on the side of the road when there is a better way to handle it? Bad idea.

Anything else you care to misquote to fit your personal agenda?

 

[Lifted]

Your solution could end up with one, if not two dead people. My solution ends up with an appropriate resolution.

Cheers.

In what universe do you live in where police are appropriately punished for their crimes?

 

[Stuxnet]

I guess I'm the only one okay with what the cop did. I'm sorry if you're out in the middle of the night with possibly suspect characters on the side of the road I have zero sympathy for you. You people don't give a shit because this kind of shit doesn't happen in your neighborhood. I guarantee if this scenario was being played out on the street you live on then you'd be praising the officer for keeping the streets clean.

The only offender in the video is the cop. Trash can't keep trash clean. All we know about the civilian is that he knows someone who's a prostitute. I don't know how you guys run things in Hitlerville, but that's not a crime anywhere else that I'm aware of.

 

[Stuxnet]

I said I would not arrest the other officer on scene in that situation. If he needs to get arrested, it can happen later. It's not like nobody knows who or where he is. Your solution could end with one, if not two dead people. My solution ends with an appropriate resolution.

Cheers.

FWIW, I agree with you and can totally see the rationale in the second officer being passive. The pig was blowing his top, but it wasn't escalating and the civilian was being cooperative enough that once the pig got his rocks off, everything would cool down.

Had the officer tried to interfere with the pig, all 3 could have wound up dead. This probably ended the best way possible given the pig's temper tantrum. Thankfully the citizen wasn't the mouthy 'I know my rights type,' because even if he was correct in his assertions, it might have landed him in the grave.

 

[FuzzyDunlop]

The other part of this we haven't touched on is that it appears the officer searched the car without consent - hard for me to see how he had any reasonable basis to believe there would be evidence of a crime in the car.

I guess I'm the only one okay with what the cop did. I'm sorry if you're out in the middle of the night with possibly suspect characters on the side of the road I have zero sympathy for you. You people don't give a shit because this kind of shit doesn't happen in your neighborhood. I guarantee if this scenario was being played out on the street you live on then you'd be praising the officer for keeping the streets clean.

ya, Im not going to condone EVERYTHING this cop said or did, not at all, but at the same time I can understand why he became upset. BUT it is his fault - if he would have followed procedure by securing the driver first, this would not have happened. He missed this crucial step, and IMO it was dangerous for him to assume he was safe to poke around the backseat of that car without doing so. He has only to be mad at himself for this - maybe his partner too.
It was mentioned in the video that the search of the back seat was illegal because he didnt ask the driver if he could do so. - this also would have been avoided by first securing the driver.

and to you guys thinking that one Police officer is going to turn around and rest another police officer in the streets... hahaha! hahahahahahah! Thats what the IA is for. These Average Joe coppers have comraderie and need to be able to work/trust each other - it would never work.

This cop obviously over reacted and said a few things he probably regrets, but all in all, he did his job. He only wanted to protect himself and felt threatened by the CW. He probably just had a shitty night and his roid aggression cut loose on this dude.

 

[FuzzyDunlop]

I said I would not arrest the other officer on scene in that situation. If he needs to get arrested, it can happen later (probably involving an outside agency - like when a Lieutenant a local department was arrested by State Police). It's not like nobody knows who or where he is. Your solution could end with one, if not two dead people. My solution ends with an appropriate resolution.

There's no immediate need to arrest someone if it can be done later in a better/safer fashion. Same with anything else - if a guy commits a crime and I know where I can find him later, why should I chase him down alone and get in a fight on the side of the road if I can get a warrant, get a few more guys, and handle it in a much safer manner?

If the DA decided to prosecute and a warrant was issued, I would certainly go arrest a fellow officer. No problem at all. However, getting in a fight during a traffic stop on the side of the road when there is a better way to handle it? Bad idea.

Anything else you care to misquote to fit your personal agenda?

Not to mention trying to arrest a fellow officer who is going as balistic as this guy was.

 

[jlee]

In what universe do you live in where police are appropriately punished for their crimes?

Read my edit.

If the DA's office decides not to go for a warrant after the fact, they would drop charges after an on-scene arrest anyway.

Not to mention trying to arrest a fellow officer who is going as balistic as this guy was.

Bingo. De-escalate and deal with it later. It's far safer for all parties involved.