JulesMaximus
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I somehow think you might feel different if when you had your Mustang you were harassed in this manner, but again, since it doesn't bother you...who cares right?
As for seatbelt laws, it's not a law in my state...as it should be. There is a law that under 18 you must wear it, but once you are an adult and can make decisions on your own, it's up to you. I wear my seatbelt, but I would fight any law making it mandatory over 18. The fact is, in NH, we believe in personaly responsibility...not the police and government telling us what to do.
Let me ask you this. Let's say you have a Honda civic that is modded extensively, because that is your hobby. You even went the extra mile to make sure everything is CARB certified, but you still get pulled over all the time, because as that video says, you meet the criteria for a check. Also, each time you had to go get another inspection to certify everything is ok. I somehow think you'd be pissed then.
Regardless, this is just another in a long list of laws that are enacted in the name of protecting people (from street racing), but in the end, are pretty much used to hassle and generate revenue that would otherwise not be there.
It seems you've lived in Cali long enough to just accept are the ridiculous laws you have over there...good for you!
On a related note, recently in my state, the local council of the large inland city of Wagga Wagga (about 87km's south of where I live)just voted against allowing ANDRA (the Australia National Drag Racing Asociation)to purchase land to develop a full drag racing strip.
Instead it opted to increase funds to the local police force to stop illegal street racing which is had a massive increase in the last few years, with a few fatal accidents recently.
When a lot of locals involved with racing were interviewed, they clearly stated that if they use a local drag strip instead of racing on the streets.
But the councils response was that they didn't see the need for such a development nor did they want to have Wagga Wagga asociated with any form of motor sport, and as one offical put it "Wagga doesn't need the DIRTY money that this event would bring in"
THIS IS THE STUPIDEST THING I HAVE EVER HEARD!!!!!
they would much rather have people racinf on the street...at the cost of the tax payer, than allow the offical drag racing body to PURCHASE unused land and develop it in to a safe LEGAL racing strip...
the closest drag strip to Wagga Wagga is 450km's away at Sydney.
Instead it opted to increase funds to the local police force to stop illegal street racing which is had a massive increase in the last few years, with a few fatal accidents recently.
When a lot of locals involved with racing were interviewed, they clearly stated that if they use a local drag strip instead of racing on the streets.
But the councils response was that they didn't see the need for such a development nor did they want to have Wagga Wagga asociated with any form of motor sport, and as one offical put it "Wagga doesn't need the DIRTY money that this event would bring in"
THIS IS THE STUPIDEST THING I HAVE EVER HEARD!!!!!
they would much rather have people racinf on the street...at the cost of the tax payer, than allow the offical drag racing body to PURCHASE unused land and develop it in to a safe LEGAL racing strip...
the closest drag strip to Wagga Wagga is 450km's away at Sydney.
JulesMaximus
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I guess if it happened all the time I might. I was pulled over in my modded '94 Mustang GT once in the 4 years I owned it. Want to know what I was pulled over for? No front license plate. Know what I did after that? I went down and got a front plate on my car.
They aren't pulling people over for no reason. They are pulling them over for noticeable violations. Somehow I don't think they'll be pulling cars over just because they have a shiny exhaust tip...unless it was really really loud.
Edit-I grew up driving in upstate NY. We did not have a seatbelt law when I learned to drive there but shortly thereafter they enacted one (mid 1980s) and I thought it was a bunch of crap primarily because I never wore one. That law forced me to wear a seatbelt and I'm very glad it did. Now it is a habit, I get in the car and the first thing I do is put on my seatbelt. I feel naked without it. If I didn't have that ingrained in me I might not have been wearing it a few years ago when I was plowed into on the freeway by some idiot who was...get this...racing another car.
interesting principle.
I also think seatbelt laws are a load of crap. we should decide how to protect ourselves, not the government. But the way I see it is that its a fight that you can never win.
What do you accomplish by not wearing your seatbelt? What do you accomplish by disobeying the laws you disagree with but that still get enforced?
You will still get fined, still get reprimanded by officers, and they will walk away as the winner as they have done one more thing to boost their career while you've just lost maybe a hundred or more dollars.
I just think that the government is so powerful that there is no way to fight anything like this.
What are your thoughts about speed limit laws, would you put them in this same category as well?
Again...you miss the point. First off, it's sad you needed a law to figure out you should wear a seatbelt. So, bungee jumping is pretty dangerous...maybe if they make a law against it, it will save lives?
Second, if you watc hthat training video, it says they can pull you over for simply LOOKING like your car is modified. If it's lowered, or if it's got a larger than stock looking exhaust...loud or no. All they need is "reasonable suspicion" to get to check your car in and out...
Oh, and finally...it's becoming more clear...now it's twice you were affected by street racing....I think I see why you think this is ok. Do you think people only race modified cars? Were the cars involved in the plowing into you modified? Do you think all these kids that drive WRX's and EVO's that have over 300HP from the factory are not going to race simply because their car is not modified?
Oh government....please save me!
Second, if you watc hthat training video, it says they can pull you over for simply LOOKING like your car is modified. If it's lowered, or if it's got a larger than stock looking exhaust...loud or no. All they need is "reasonable suspicion" to get to check your car in and out...
Oh, and finally...it's becoming more clear...now it's twice you were affected by street racing....I think I see why you think this is ok. Do you think people only race modified cars? Were the cars involved in the plowing into you modified? Do you think all these kids that drive WRX's and EVO's that have over 300HP from the factory are not going to race simply because their car is not modified?
Oh government....please save me!
the part i dont get is why the police had the right to arrest the man, just because the man wouldnt open up his hood.
so would would that look like on the man's record? Obstruction of justice?
would the police then be able to just pop open this guy's hood, after he was arrested?
What about your trunk? Can police arrest you if you refuse to open your trunk, even if their suspicion is silly to begin with? Suppose they claim they thought they heard a noise in your trunk and want you to open it. Can they still get you in trouble if they find narcotics in there or stuff like that?
so would would that look like on the man's record? Obstruction of justice?
would the police then be able to just pop open this guy's hood, after he was arrested?
What about your trunk? Can police arrest you if you refuse to open your trunk, even if their suspicion is silly to begin with? Suppose they claim they thought they heard a noise in your trunk and want you to open it. Can they still get you in trouble if they find narcotics in there or stuff like that?
JulesMaximus
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I don't bungee jump to work each day. Edit-I'm also not going to sit here and defend stupid decisions I made 20 years ago. If thousands of people were dying each year from bungee jumping then yeah, I'd say pass some laws or at least regulate it so that it is done as safely as possible. Base jumping off buildings is illegal in some places. I have no problem with that either.
I also don't think most kids should be allowed behind the wheel of an EVO or an STI. They aren't responsible enough. But I blame the parents for allowing that.
If you're going to act like you want attention, then the cops will give the attention. IMO, everyone's entitled to do what they want with their car - but if they get caught with illegal mods or get sent to the referee, or arrested for street racing, they have no right to bitch about it.
I myself drive a car with a custom turbo charger kit. Is it illegal? Definately. But then again my car is about as stock as it can look aside from the big front mount intercooler. If I get pulled over and sent to the referee because the cop said "I pulled you over because I noticed you had a intercooler, and these cars don't come turbocharged", then I would comply and admit guilt.
But if he pulled me over simply because "it looks modified", then my attorney will be dealing with his department.
To be fair, if they enforce and are pro-active about illegal modifications to vehicles, they should enforce the California insurance requirement. Cops don't give a rats ass about whether or not you have insurance, even though it is state law.
And for those that don't know, San Diego is one of the most active areas where street-racing occurs, so I'm not surprised that they are doing this in that county. In fact, they been cracking down on street-racing for years now.
I myself drive a car with a custom turbo charger kit. Is it illegal? Definately. But then again my car is about as stock as it can look aside from the big front mount intercooler. If I get pulled over and sent to the referee because the cop said "I pulled you over because I noticed you had a intercooler, and these cars don't come turbocharged", then I would comply and admit guilt.
But if he pulled me over simply because "it looks modified", then my attorney will be dealing with his department.
To be fair, if they enforce and are pro-active about illegal modifications to vehicles, they should enforce the California insurance requirement. Cops don't give a rats ass about whether or not you have insurance, even though it is state law.
And for those that don't know, San Diego is one of the most active areas where street-racing occurs, so I'm not surprised that they are doing this in that county. In fact, they been cracking down on street-racing for years now.
Sounds like Cali needs a new law!
Well, here's something I think we both can agree should be outlawed...
:Q http://tinypic.com/rbmpth.gif :Q
recently the NSW state governement introduced a new law that prevents all drivers under the age of 25 from driving V8's, Turbo's and any other high perfomance vehicle.
how ever you can obtain an exemption from that for $22 at the local RTA.
how ever you can obtain an exemption from that for $22 at the local RTA.
JulesMaximus
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Originally posted by: Insane3D
Sounds like Cali needs a new law!
Well, here's something I think we both can agree should be outlawed...
:Q http://tinypic.com/rbmpth.gif :Q
Agreed...:laugh:
The police can do whatever they want, whenever they want, unless you have a means of physically preventing them from it.
rh71
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Wow... what's your age please ? I thought this stage passed after your teens-early 20s... we're talking about your own safety here... even if it had nothing to do with the state/gov't requiring it... it's the smart thing to do... there is no drawing any line... it's reducing risk to yourself and for your / your family's own good. Are you too proud for that ?
If you think that statistics are a bunch of crap and you're better off not wearing it, that's one thing... but to not wear them based on principle [that THE MAN wants you to]... (well there's not a nice way to say it)...
Actually, I think seat belts are important because in an accident, the non-belted people can impact and kill belted people.
I do freely admit to being on the un-popular side of the fence on this issue though. I'm totally ok with personal freedoms. I can swing my arm around as much as I want... up to the point it makes contact with your face. At that point, to me, it becomes an issue with the rights of 2 people.
Welcome to Socialist Republic of California. What else do you expect from unconstitutional communist laws? High taxes, gun bans, and pro homosexual/illigal immigration mentality will "reward" the citizens with even less freedom.
Driver: "I'm sorry officer, the latch to my hood is broken"
cop: "Sir you have two options, I can either drag you out of the car and beat the living sh!t out of you with my billy club, or you can open the hood."
cop: "Sir you have two options, I can either drag you out of the car and beat the living sh!t out of you with my billy club, or you can open the hood."
That's a terrible video. Modifications in California can be legal if the are CARB certified. Surprise surprise, carb certification costs lots of money (I guess CA needs to make money somehow). I didn't see the cop looking for an imprinted CARB certification number on those parts? Also, mufflers don't need to be CARB certified, it's not before the catylitic converter. How the cop determined that it was a full (+cat) exhuast by glancing at the muffler is beyond me. He also didn't measure the distance of the bottom of the headlight to the ground (which is what i believe they're supposed to do in cali... but you can have raised up trucks), it could just have a ground effects kit that makes it appear lower to the ground.
I can see why people get frustrated with these laws when the training materials are terrible at best.
I can see why people get frustrated with these laws when the training materials are terrible at best.
JulesMaximus
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