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police-involved shooting in Kenosha, WI...unrest ensues

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DING DING DING, nice logic fallacy. I didn't say that at all dumbass. The fact you came to this conclusion is because of your own inherent racism and bias. I looked at the situation and judged it by the only objective method we have which is the laws. The legal system went through the process and found nothing wrong with the actions of the police here.

What other conclusion can one come to when you say this:

Riots don't change truth. Just because a bunch of dumbass had a stupid opinion on what happened doesn't make it right. Mob rule is very ever rarely right.

Obviously you don't even understand what the riots where about. If you had, you wouldn't have said anything about the laws or the legal system when it comes to being applied to police officers. The law consistently isn't applied to them, and they are very seldom held accountable, which is part of what the riots where about. The fact that you believe that they went thru the legal system and the process, and chose not to press charges doesn't bold well for your argument when we have a problem with police officers getting special treatment where the laws are concerned. Just because they didn't get charged does not equal "they had probable cause".
 
What other conclusion can one come to when you say this:



Obviously you don't even understand what the riots where about. If you had, you wouldn't have said anything about the laws or the legal system when it comes to being applied to police officers. The law consistently isn't applied to them, and they are very seldom held accountable, which is part of what the riots where about. The fact that you believe that they went thru the legal system and the process, and chose not to press charges doesn't bold well for your argument when we have a problem with police officers getting special treatment where the laws are concerned. Just because they didn't get charged does not equal "they had probable cause".
Funny how different his view of law enforcement is in the Flynn thread. Gee, I wonder why.
 
If that is his claim then he should go to jail. Straw buys are illegal. That doesn't mean Rittenhouse knew it was a straw purchase or was intended as anything but a loan.
Already established that Rittenhouse gave him the money to purchase the gun for him in WI because he could not purchase it himself (due to age). But keep flinging shit.
Also, sexual assault is the LEGAL term for the common term rape. It is rape.
All acts of rape are sexual assault. Not vice versa, but fling that shit.
Already cited by his defense. Not doing your homework here.
So lie, and then refuse to show evidence. Nice shit-throw.
One can join the military or the police at the age of 16...
You want to show some evidence of this (other) bullshit claim? I won't hold my breath.
LOL, except the fact that the legal system has already agreed with what I stated. Which shows what you stated to be wrong by that standard.
No it hasn't. You've made claims (aka lies) that you refuse to show any evidence of. You agree with yourself, nothing more here.
Dumbass, the Constitution has no restriction as you stated. It literally states shall not be infringed for gun ownership...
No further explanations are forthwith from me on this to your dumbass.
Already said I am not doing your homework. So fuck off.
So just more, "I will state opinions as facts and refuse to show any evidence of said claims and continue to blame anyone who disagrees with- 'You just don't know the facts'." 🙄
LOL nope. It's easy to find.
And yet you cannot produce it. Typical dishonesty from a fucking clown. Shut the fuck up, liar.
 
Exactly - you want to say an exemption applies to him without having to defend the merits of that argument.

This is exactly why I asked you to specify it, so that we can proceed to demolish this stupid argument. You know this as well as I do.

Nope. I am not making the defense claim. The defense lawyer is for the possession charge. I was not defending such a claim. I statement was that the law is probably not Constitutional and may end up being challenged in a high profile case on its Constitutionality. What you are trying to do is the literal definition of a Motte and Bailey routine. At this point my opinion is that all the felony charges were self defense, and that the misdemeanor possession charge is the questionable one that might stick based on what has publicly been released so far. If you want to argue the merits of the possession charge defense with someone, go right ahead with doing so with his current defense lawyer. I'm wait with baited breath for that outcome.
 
Funny how different his view of law enforcement is in the Flynn thread. Gee, I wonder why.

Because it was shown the FBI officials were doing wrong things. False equivalency again by you. That situation and this by police officer arriving at the scene of a crime in progress have nothing to do with each other.
 
The general statement of no one should be shot in the back, regardless of the number of times, is one of those feel good statements that really make no sense. Like we should have world peace, no poverty, and everyone should live forever! I am applying to such a statement as the current situation of Jacob Blake. He was shot in the back for his direct actions. The cops did the right thing shooting him in the back based on what they knew at the time they fired. That was also legally justified after being investigated thoroughly. Continuing such statements in light of that is the same as "defending him" because it is. Jacob Blake was the sole person in control of the outcome of that situation. This situation never about police brutality, racism, or whatever other incorrect statement has been made. It was literally a cut and dry situation of a made breaking the law, resisting arrest, acting violent towards police, and showing himself approaching young children while armed. Any downplaying the criminal actions of Jacob Blake at this point or are still making baseless accusations against the officers here is straight up morally corrupt.

Defending a cop, who shoots a man in the back 7 times, as he is getting in his own car, with his own kids is not morally corrupt? Don't even try the "they don't know if it was his kids" crap.. you say they read his file/police record/information (take your pick on which you want to call it) before getting there, which you say justifies their actions.. well guess what big boy, that very file, includes his make and model of his car, the information on his significant other, and his KIDS, and they where in the back seat.. not the front seat where he was going.. so get out of here with your crap. They had cause to arrest him.. not shoot him.

How come there haven't been any charges filed against Jacob Blake if he is so guilty and the sole cause? Or hasn't there been enough time to do a complete investigation? Right now, the police officer wasn't charged... so you claim he was in the right because the law says so other wise he would have been charged (LOL).. And Blake hasn't been charged, so using the same logic.. he did nothing wrong as well because no charges have been filed.. How can that be?
 
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Nope. I am not making the defense claim.
Okay so you are retracting your previous statement then that there were exceptions that could plausibly fit with the facts of the case where the firearm could be legally passed to Rittenhouse?

The defense lawyer is for the possession charge. I was not defending such a claim. I statement was that the law is probably not Constitutional and may end up being challenged in a high profile case on its Constitutionality. What you are trying to do is the literal definition of a Motte and Bailey routine. At this point my opinion is that all the felony charges were self defense, and that the misdemeanor possession charge is the questionable one that might stick based on what has publicly been released so far. If you want to argue the merits of the possession charge defense with someone, go right ahead with doing so with his current defense lawyer.
Do you even know what you’re arguing about anymore? Hint, it’s not Kyle Rittenhouse.

I'm wait with baited breath for that outcome.
lol what is ‘baited breath’, haha. Sounds nasty. You mean ‘bated breath’
 
Already established that Rittenhouse gave him the money to purchase the gun for him in WI because he could not purchase it himself (due to age). But keep flinging shit.
Again, only straw purchase if the intent was for the firearm to be owned permanently by Rittenhouse. The fact it was kept stored at Black's house after purchase, along with all other guns purchased at the time, is a defense against the straw purchase. Either way, that is a charge against Dominic Black who I give two shits about in this case. If he goes down for a straw purchase then so be it. Has nothing to do with Rittenhouse.

All acts of rape are sexual assault. Not vice versa, but fling that shit.
No shit. The fact that rape is defined as penetration, which isn't limited to a penis or the vagina, is why what he did was rape. Nor is it limited to any form of gender. If I shove my finger down anyone else's orifice of any sort for example for sexual pleasure, that is still rape. Jacob Blake inserted his hand into another persons vagina without her consent. That is rape. Downplaying that action is disgusting.

So lie, and then refuse to show evidence. Nice shit-throw.
Lie about what? I literally said Wisconsin has legal exemptions for possession of a firearm for those under 18. And that his defense would have have a strategy for the possession charge. As they should. Eski is the idiot wanting me to go try to come up with what the defense plans to do about the possession charge. I was stating that the law itself in my opinion may not be considered Constitutional if challenged. That's it.

You want to show some evidence of this (other) bullshit claim? I won't hold my breath.
Are you dumb enough to actually make the statement that you think I am lying about people being able to join the military or the police at the age of 16 in this country? For real? I don't even know how to respond to such a stupid statement made by you in something so easy to look up.

No it hasn't. You've made claims (aka lies) that you refuse to show any evidence of. You agree with yourself, nothing more here.
Wrong. They came out and said that the actions of the officers was all legally justified and there will be no charges. How is this a lie again?

So just more, "I will state opinions as facts and refuse to show any evidence of said claims and continue to blame anyone who disagrees with- 'You just don't know the facts'." 🙄
I already linked fricking article from the Washingpost about gun ownership ages in this country. At one point it was mandatory for every man, woman, AND CHILD in this country to own their own firearms in the case there was a need. That went on for almost 100 years.

And yet you cannot produce it. Typical dishonesty from a fucking clown. Shut the fuck up, liar.

Again, I am not the one making the defense for Rittenhouse's possession charge at this point. I said there was a defense. I don't care to fucking do someone else's homework to look up what the defense is planning here.
 
I can find nothing that supports those claims. Please provide me with links.


It looks like the lower limit age for military joining was raised from 16, during my time in, to 17 recently. Even then I think that was for the Guard during my time as part of a program for emancipated minors. Even still, Rittenhouse was still 17 at the time which 17 years olds are still allowed to join the any military branch as of now or police and legally carry a firearm as part of their job in any state. As far as state police min ages, it is a state by state basis. Also different types of law enforcement jobs from deputies to BP have different age limits.


Louisiana for example has no age restriction for state police as shown above. Other forms of law enforcement jobs have different ages based on area. For example BP has no lower age limit, only an upper one at 40.

 
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Okay so you are retracting your previous statement then that there were exceptions that could plausibly fit with the facts of the case where the firearm could be legally passed to Rittenhouse?
Never said that. I said there are exceptions in Wisconsin law to possession of a firearm by those under 18. Go re-read what I wrote dumbass. That statement is not stating that those exceptions may apply. But good try at another strawman fallacy. Damn you are full of them still as usual.

Do you even know what you’re arguing about anymore? Hint, it’s not Kyle Rittenhouse.

Yes. I was arguing against stupidity brought by you and others.

lol what is ‘baited breath’, haha. Sounds nasty. You mean ‘bated breath’

Whatever, it is a auto correction. So sue me.
 
Never said that. I said there are exceptions in Wisconsin law to possession of a firearm by those under 18. Go re-read what I wrote dumbass. That statement is not stating that those exceptions may apply. But good try at another strawman fallacy. Damn you are full of them still as usual.

Lol, go re-read what I wrote and you replied to. I was talking about the guy who straw bought the gun for Rittenhouse.

Yes. I was arguing against stupidity brought by you and others.

Whatever, it is a auto correction. So sue me.
Lol, no it was not.
 
Lol, go re-read what I wrote and you replied to. I was talking about the guy who straw bought the gun for Rittenhouse.

WTF? Are you even reading over the past? I stated literally in post 1121

Potentially yes, and potentially no. Wisconsin has legal exemptions for possession of a firearm for those under 18.

That was referring to Rittenhouse because there is no possession charge for Black. Literally WTF? This is in reference to Rittenhouse getting the firearm on loan from Black. The other crime Black could be prosecuted for in Wisconsin would be giving possession of a firearm to a minor, aka in this case Rittenhouse. Hence my statement, that there is exemptions to the possession law for under 18 even in Wisconsin. Meaning if Rittenhouse defeats the possession charge, any such charge against Black would not stick by default. I never said Rittenhouse met that defense nor that such a defense would be used. Again, STRAWMAN logic fallacy argument again by you. You are seriously deranged.
 

It looks like the lower limit age for military joining was raised from 16, during my time in, to 17 recently. Rittenhouse was still 17 at the time. Before you had to be 16 and declared emancipated to join. As far as police, it is a state by state basis and the type of law enforcement job.


Louisiana for example has no age restriction for state police as shown above. Other forms of law enforcement jobs have different ages based on area.

Minimum Requirements to Become a Police Officer in Louisiana
At least 18 years of age upon hiring or certification.


So, it appears you can't become a police officer at 16 or join the military at 16.
 
Minimum Requirements to Become a Police Officer in Louisiana
At least 18 years of age upon hiring or certification.


So, it appears you can't become a police officer at 16 or join the military at 16.

Wrong. I just linked that you can in Louisiana become a state officer, and you can join the boarder patrol at 16. In California, you can work almost any job as long as you have a work permit for which an emancipated minor of 16 can do. Which includes various law enforcement jobs, but not all. The military has been changed so you got me there.
 
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Are you dumb enough to actually make the statement that you think I am lying about people being able to join the military or the police at the age of 16 in this country? For real? I don't even know how to respond to such a stupid statement made by you in something so easy to look up.
I can find nothing that supports those claims. Please help me out with some links.
There aren't any because it's a lie, pulled from his ass. To join the military at 16 years old would require emancipation from the teenager's parents. It isn't as if any teenager can just drop out of HS and their parents can sign off for them to join ranks. You would need to have full rights of an adult @ 16.

And his claim of, "oh, it JUST changed since when *I* was in..." is also bullshit. My best friend joined the USMC in the late 90s and while he could sign the papers at the age of 17, they wouldn't accept him to ship off to bootcamp until after his 18th, so yeah. He's a fucking liar...shocker.

It doesn't work like that, and he probably knows it. He's just flinging shit at the wall. Just because you can join State police in some random southern state where it's also legal to marry your cousin, doesn't mean it applies to military forces.
Again, only straw purchase if the intent was for the firearm to be owned permanently by Rittenhouse. The fact it was kept stored at Black's house after purchase, along with all other guns purchased at the time, is a defense against the straw purchase.
Again...already established that the gun was purchased FOR him, with money FROM him, and would be stored at the purchaser's home because...I'm guessing his parents didn't want him having it in their home? IDK. But the gun belonged to Rittenhouse. BTW, Rittenhouse was a side-topic, and not the topic of the thread.
Lie about what? I literally said Wisconsin has legal exemptions for possession of a firearm for those under 18.
And you fail to specify with any detail what those exemptions are. Namely, a minor may possess and carry a firearm (long rifle) IN THE PRESENCE AND UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THEIR LEGAL, ADULT GUARDIAN. You know, like for legitimate reasons like...deer hunting. Not going armed to protests. Big fucking difference, so good job leaving out the details that show you are full of shit, clown.
I already linked fricking article from the Washingpost about gun ownership ages in this country. At one point it was mandatory for every man, woman, AND CHILD in this country to own their own firearms in the case there was a need. That went on for almost 100 years.
And this is still relevant and necessary today because...subjective reasons? Do these laws still exist in the same form? NO. Fuck off, clown.
Again, I am not the one making the defense for Rittenhouse's possession charge at this point. I said there was a defense. I don't care to fucking do someone else's homework to look up what the defense is planning here.
Then stfu and stop claiming you know the details. Also, Rittenhouse isn't the thread topic, btw.
It looks like the lower limit age for military joining was raised from 16, during my time in, to 17 recently.
Bullshit. Show me when it was changed from 16 to 17 or stop your lying.
Never said that. I said there are exceptions in Wisconsin law to possession of a firearm by those under 18. Go re-read what I wrote dumbass. That statement is not stating that those exceptions may apply. But good try at another strawman fallacy. Damn you are full of them still as usual.
You mean the exception that he could have legally carried that rifle if HIS LEGAL GUARDIAN was present? That lil detail you conveniently discluded from your bullshit claim? Yeah.
Yes. I was arguing against stupidity brought by you and others.
You are arguing just to argue, and using falsities to try to "prove" your points.
You: "It's so obvious and easy to find, I'm not going to do your homework for you to disprove all the bullshit I'm flinging! I'll make you link it yourself just to prove me a liar and wrong!"

You are a dishonest clown. Fuck off.
 
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There aren't any because it's a lie, pulled from his ass. To join the military at 16 years old would require emancipation from the teenager's parents. It isn't as if any teenager can just drop out of HS and their parents can sign off for them to join ranks. It doesn't work like that, and he probably knows it. He's just flinging shit at the wall. Just because you can join State police in some random southern state where it's also legal to marry your cousin, doesn't mean it applies to military forces.

The point of the argument I made here is that there is a federal age which allows people under 18 to use firearms. Currently the military is 17. Rittenhouse is 17. That is all that required to prove the point I was trying to make about Wisconsin's statute may not stand up to strict scrutiny if tested for Constitutionality .

Again...already established that the gun was purchased FOR him, with money FROM him, and would be stored at the purchaser's home because...I'm guessing his parents didn't want him having it in their home? IDK. But the gun belonged to Rittenhouse. BTW, Rittenhouse was a side-topic, and not the topic of the thread.

Doesn't matter. If the firearm wasn't stored at Rittenhouse's residence (saying house again read funny to me), it is easily argued in court that they weren't legally his. Considering Rittenhouse already owned firearms at his house already. I am not saying that is the truth of the matter, or even the tacit agreement here. I was giving what the defense is likely to be like. I don't give a shit if you agree with it or not.

And you fail to specify with any detail what those exemptions are. Namely, a minor may possess and carry a firearm (long rifle) IN THE PRESENCE AND UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THEIR LEGAL, ADULT GUARDIAN. You know, like for legitimate reasons like...deer hunting. Not going armed to protests. Big fucking difference, so good job leaving out the details that show you are full of shit, clown.

Fuck shit, I again was never stating the exemptions apply. I just said there are exemptions. That was in regards to stating of other charges that may be levied against BLACK in case the straw purchase one doesn't work because it was shown legally to not be a straw purchase for some reason. Seriously, go read over the conversation again. Making a fool of yourself.

And this is still relevant and necessary today because...subjective reasons? Do these laws still exist in the same form? NO. Fuck off, clown.
It is relevant as to the legal question about the legality of the Wisconsin statute about possession of a firearm by those under 18. You fuck off clown for not understand the legal ramifications are when it comes to strict scrutiny standard applied to a Constitutional Right abridging law. It is going to look at relevant laws from other places. With 30 states having no legal age restrictions on firearm ownership or possession, it strengthens the argument against the statute.

Then stfu and stop claiming you know the details. Also, Rittenhouse isn't the thread topic, btw.
Because I never made the defense argument for the possession charge for Rittenhouse. Literally go READ dipshit. I only pivoted to Rittenhouse because of what someonesmind wrote earlier. Then the rest of the idiots who couldn't read wanted to throw in their ridiculous 2 cents.

Bullshit. Show me when it was changed from 16 to 17 or stop your lying.
Yep was going off memory from when I joined. The Guard was considered a joke even then among those joining any branch. It had to lowest requires of anything to join. At this time my recruiter said they even let 16 year olds in. Can't find a timeline of changing or if that was once true. Oh well.

You mean the exception that he could have legally carried that rifle if HIS LEGAL GUARDIAN was present? That lil detail you conveniently discluded from your bullshit claim? Yeah.
There is more than one exemption to the statute. I made claim to none of them.

You are arguing just to argue, and using falsities to try to "prove" your points. You are a dishonest clown. Fuck off.

That would be you. I originally came in here to talk about Jacob Blake. It was others that pivoted already earlier in this thread. Others also then argued incorrecly on what I was saying for Rittenhouse. Just like you.
 
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The point of the argument I made here is that there is a federal age which allows people under 18 to use firearms. Currently the military is 17.
No, it isn't. Stop lying.
Doesn't matter. If the firearm wasn't stored at Rittenhouse's residence (saying house again read funny to me), it is easily argued in court that they weren't legally his. Considering Rittenhouse already owned firearms at his house already.
Testimony or admission from Rittenhouse and/or both of them say that the gun BELONGED to Rittenhouse and was purchased by another party using Rittenhouse's supplied funds. But keep ignoring that.
Fuck shit, I again was never stating the exemptions apply. I just said there are exemptions. Seriously, go read over the conversation again. Making a fool of yourself.
Knowing none of the exemptions would apply in this circumstance, you conveniently (and dishonestly/disingenuously) left that part out. You mentioned it several times, "...but I never claimed they applied!!" Ok, clown.
Calling out your lies and bullshit isn't making a fool of myself, tbh. It's quite the opposite for not buying your idiotic bullshit.
It is relevant as to the legal question about the legality of the Wisconsin statute about possession of a firearm by those under 18. You fuck off clown for not understand the legal ramifications are when it comes to strict scrutiny standard applied to a Constitutional Right abridging law.
Not relevant just because you say it is, clown.
Because I never made the defense argument for the possession charge for Rittenhouse. Literally go READ dipshit.
You keep telling me to, "GO READ" when all you keep spewing is lies and misinformation. I already read it, which is why I'm calling you out, clown.
Yep was going off memory from when I joined. The Guard was considered a joke even then among those joining any branch. It had to lowest requires of anything to join. At this time my recruiter said they even let 16 year olds in. Can't find a timeline of changing or if that was once true. Oh well.
Bullshit. "Well I was going off anecdotal evidence that never actually happened and wasn't true but I'm going to state it as fact anyway." Fuck off.
There is more than one exemption to the statute. I made claim to none of them.
Yes, made claim to none but keep bringing it up like it's excusatory. Dishonest clown.
That would be you. I originally came in here to talk about Jacob Blake. It was others that pivoted already earlier in this thread. Others also then argued incorrecly on what I was saying for Rittenhouse. Just like you.
You are a dishonest clown. Fuck off, liar.
 
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WTF? Are you even reading over the past? I stated literally in post 1121



That was referring to Rittenhouse because there is no possession charge for Black. Literally WTF? This is in reference to Rittenhouse getting the firearm on loan from Black. The other crime Black could be prosecuted for in Wisconsin would be giving possession of a firearm to a minor, aka in this case Rittenhouse. Hence my statement, that there is exemptions to the possession law for under 18 even in Wisconsin. Meaning if Rittenhouse defeats the possession charge, any such charge against Black would not stick by default. I never said Rittenhouse met that defense nor that such a defense would be used. Again, STRAWMAN logic fallacy argument again by you. You are seriously deranged.
And exactly what are those exceptions that you think apply?
 
You don't seem to understand the purpose of a Krambit knife.


It is designed for gutting people with a punching motion. It is a human fighting knife. The length of the blade isn't only what it needs to be for that job. It is not designed to be a knife for opening boxes, opening letters, twiddling wood, or cutting some twine. I have folders which much bigger blades such as the Cold Steel Voyager XL as an example. The point I was making is that the knife is not a standard EDC knife most people carry around like a little pocket folder. As stated by police records. He has a legal history of using that knife on OTHER PEOPLE.

He was a criminal that raped a woman. He abused children. He stole a car. He was putting his current kids into a dangerous situation when he was shot. He had a felony conviction history for VIOLENT crimes. There is video evidence of the entire situation in this case which shows him swinging the knife at the police to cause them to jump back away from him. Shows him with the knife in his hand as he is walking around the vehicle. Shows him actively resisting arrest and ignoring orders to drop the knife and stop resisting. His actions gave police no other choice but to shoot to stop him. Even then, the police stopped firing after 7 shots once he dropped the knife. The officer had 17 rounds in his gun and didn't do a mag dump which he could have done in seconds.

Imagine making the argument that using a knife that is specifically designed for the purpose of killing humans (not that I disagree) is a justification for attempted murder/intent, whatever...but then in the next sentence trying to convince someone that a gun, any and all guns made in the history of humanity, have been made for any purpose that is not to kill humans.

imagine that!

Not really directed at you--here--it just occurred to me.
 
By the way I just looked it up and as best as I can tell you’ve needed to be 18 to enlist in the military since 1899. Lol.

Also, the idea that military service would somehow render statutes prohibiting a minor from possessing a firearm unconstitutional are nonsensical because 1) the presence of an exception would not cause the entire statute to be struck down and, more importantly, the law Rittenhouse will be convicted under already has a fucking exemption for military service, hahaha.

The dummy decided to invent a reason for a statute to be unconstitutional because it banned something it explicitly does not ban.Durrrrrrrr.
 
BUTBUTBUT I NEVER SAID THEY WOULD APPLY I just said there were some. Which is factually true, so there.

🙄


Don't expect honesty from the HumbleNazi...you won't find any.
Oh I know, I just enjoy dunking on him. He will never list the exemption that would get him off because there isn’t one. He’s an ignoramus.

He’s told a career prosecutor and defense attorney that he knew the law better than the attorney did because he has an undergrad criminal justice degree. He’s told me, a navy veteran, that he knew the navy better than me because his uncle was in it.

He’s my favorite kind of dumb person on here. Someone who just doesn’t know when to admit defeat so they just keep shitting their pants in funnier and funnier ways.
 
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