PocketPC vs Palm benefits/drawbacks of either one? I need help deciding on a PDA.

[Ameesh]

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<< My PalmIIIxe lasts 2 months on a single set of batteries.

Don't be frontin' just cuz you're jealous. >>





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havent you figured it out, no one cares! >>



zuni this is sooo a bug.

 

[Nefrodite]

A "web-clipping" program. It basically takes chunks of web pages like news and downloads it to your Palm where you can read it.


yup killer app. its the next best thing from wireless internet everytime you sync it'll download all the pages you've tagged. you can choose sites that have pda versions like anandtech.. or make customized settings for nonoptimized pages. good for reading anand or cnn whenever your bored in class or pooping

and yes free, i keep movie showtimes on mine too

 

[OS]

<< My PalmIIIxe lasts 2 months on a single set of batteries.

Don't be frontin' just cuz you're jealous. >>



Man, potatohead is like GUTB times a thousand. Atleast GUTB would crap in a thread and just be done. This guy keeps going.

It's kind of funny how potatohead goes into such a zealous 250+ post trip over such a crappy model palm. I mean I figured he would atleast have like a Palm V or something. I didn't think it was possible to get so hyped up over such a mediocre model.

But now that we know where he's coming from, this whole argument is even more ridiculous. It's like arguing that a civic is better than an M3 because it gets better gas mileage and there is more mods because of "better support." I mean is there anything wrong with the civic? Not really, but I'd rather drive an M3 despite the supposed "advantages." Replace gas mileage with battery life and mods with accessories/programs and you have this current argument.

Now, let's take this one step further. I paid 110 for my 3100 ipaq and 120 for my 3xe. They both more or less have the same effective real world price. If an M3 was the same price as a civic, who would still buy a civic? My guess would be only the ignorant and the uninformed. I can't count how many palm/handspring owners I've shown my ipaq and have them cringe, "I should have gotten that."

Remember, I own both a palm and a ppc

Every morning, I look at both those devices and I ask myself, which one am I going to take with me today? Take a wild guess which one I take everyday.

 

[Nefrodite]

. I mean I figured he would atleast have like a Palm V or something

yup, atleast there is a size advantage only prob is once you get to a high enuph model to hit the perfect size, the price is pretty much pocket pc territory. very annoying.

 

[RoninRXN]

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<< My PalmIIIxe lasts 2 months on a single set of batteries.

Don't be frontin' just cuz you're jealous. >>



Man, potatohead is like GUTB times a thousand. Atleast GUTB would crap in a thread and just be done. This guy keeps going.

It's kind of funny how potatohead goes into such a zealous 250+ post trip over such a crappy model palm. I mean I figured he would atleast have like a Palm V or something. I didn't think it was possible to get so hyped up over such a mediocre model.

But now that we know where he's coming from, this whole argument is even more ridiculous. It's like arguing that a civic is better than an M3 because it gets better gas mileage and there is more mods because of "better support." I mean is there anything wrong with the civic? Not really, but I'd rather drive an M3 despite the supposed "advantages." Replace gas mileage with battery life and mods with accessories/programs and you have this current argument.

Now, let's take this one step further. I paid 110 for my 3100 ipaq and 120 for my 3xe. They both more or less have the same effective real world price. If an M3 was the same price as a civic, who would still buy a civic? My guess would be only the ignorant and the uninformed. I can't count how many palm/handspring owners I've shown my ipaq and have them cringe, "I should have gotten that."

Remember, I own both a palm and a ppc

Every morning, I look at both those devices and I ask myself, which one am I going to take with me today? Take a wild guess which one I take everyday. >>



Just watch...he's gonna call Pocket PC 2002 the "Pinto", "Edsel" or "Le Car" of handheld computing.

Damn straight. Screw gas mileage! Screw the enviroment! I'll go for BMW MPowered goodness anyday over enviromentalist crap.

Remember I ONLY own a Palm but I think PPC is the way to go.

 

[NFS4]

Palm to permanently shut down its MyPalm service

Oops, did I do that??

 

[Pliablemoose]

My 2 cents worth: I've had Palm VII, 3C, M100, IPAQ 3135, 3535, 3670, and I just listed the 3670 on EBay, just too big a form factor right now for me, just ordered a Palm 505 (had $190 worth of credit @ OfficeMax, so it'll cost $200).

As soon as the Pocket PC stuff is thinner, I'll go back to one...

 

[potatosalad]

Whatever you can add to a Microsost contraptition CF-wise, you can add to a HandEra Palm.

HandEra Palms come with CF slots. (2 at the same time I believe) You don't need to buy a sleeve or whatever it is that Compaq uses to extract even more money from you Microsoft fanboys. It is ready to go right out of the box.

So, yes, you can put 5 gigs on your Palm.

If you prefer, you can buy a Sony, which does the same thing with Sony memory sticks right out of the box.

Expandability is most certainly not an advantage of the Microsoft contraption platform. Palms do the same.

 

[NFS4]

<< Whatever you can add to a Microsost contraptition CF-wise, you can add to a HandEra Palm.

HandEra Palms come with CF slots. (2 at the same time I believe) You don't need to buy a sleeve or whatever it is that Compaq uses to extract even more money from you Microsoft fanboys. It is ready to go right out of the box.

So, yes, you can put 5 gigs on your Palm.

If you prefer, you can buy a Sony, which does the same thing with Sony memory sticks right out of the box.

Expandability is most certainly not an advantage of the Microsoft contraption platform. Palms do the same. >>


You can't install 5GB on your Palm with CF potatorunt. They don't make CompactFlash Microdrives up to 5GB. Only to 1GB. In order to get 5GB, you must support PCMCIA cards, which all PocketPC 2002 devices support.

More lies from your mouth....

 

[stonecold3169]

Just a moot point... you aren't going to be putting 5 gigs in your palm with compact flash slots... microdrives go upto 1 gb, and I'm pretty sure that the handuras can't use them. Besides, to use the high storage, you need the new pc-card harddrives.

 

[potatosalad]

The precise reason that HandEras have CF slots is so that they can use every CF device out there.

I was not aware that CF goes only up to 1 gig and not 5 gig (both of which are unrealistic storage options for a PDA) but as you can see here, HandEra does go up to 1 gig:

http://www.handera.com/products/330feat.asp

I was also mistaken in saying 2 CF slots. It turns out that it is 1 CF slot and 1 SD slot to ensure maximum compatibility.

You can, of course, buy an SD-to-CF adapter and put 2 gigs in your Palm, 1 gig in each slot.

Like anyone needs 2 gigs of storage in a PDA, much less 5 gigs.

 

[NFS4]

<< The precise reason that HandEras have CF slots is so that they can use every CF device out there.

I was not aware that CF goes only up to 1 gig and not 5 gig (both of which are unrealistic storage options for a PDA) but as you can see here, HandEra does go up to 1 gig:

http://www.handera.com/products/330feat.asp

I was also mistaken in saying 2 CF slots. It turns out that it is 1 CF slot and 1 SD slot to ensure maximum compatibility.

You can, of course, buy an SD-to-CF adapter and put 2 gigs in your Palm, 1 gig in each slot.

Like anyone needs 2 gigs of storage in a PDA, much less 5 gigs. >>


A 5GB PC Card can hold 3 or 4 movies at high quality, plus a few gigs of MP3's and games.

Just b/c a Palm can't support it dosn't mean that a PDA doesn't have use for all that storage. You sound more and more like an troll with every breath.

 

[potatosalad]

<< Just b/c a Palm can't support it dosn't mean that a PDA doesn't have use for all that storage >>



I stopped watching postage stamp size movies soon after Grolier's Multimedia Encyclopedia was released for 2x CD-ROM drives.

Maybe you still like watching postage stamp size movies.

These days, I watch full-screen movies on my 32-bit color 14.1 inch color notebook screen, or on my 32-bit color 21-inch monitor, or on my home entertainment system.

 

[NFS4]

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<< Just b/c a Palm can't support it dosn't mean that a PDA doesn't have use for all that storage >>



I stopped watching postage stamp size movies soon after Grolier's Multimedia Encyclopedia was released for 2x CD-ROM drives.

Maybe you still like watching postage stamp size movies.

These days, I watch full-screen movies on my 32-bit color 14.1 inch color notebook screen, or on my 32-bit color 21-inch monitor, or on my home entertainment system. >>


Again, stop confusing the Palm's screen with the PocketPC's. PocketPC have a MUCH larger screen area than Palms. And not to mention that Grafiti takes up a huge chunk of that real estate.

The iPAQ's screen meaures 2.26"wide x 3.02" tall with a 3.7" diagonal view. Don't knock it til you've tried it. It's no different than watching TV on one of those small portable TV's that you can carry around in your pocket. The last time I checked, a postage stamp measured 7/8" by 1," so please, shut up.

And you can't take a laptop with you everywhere and be comfortable. I can hold my iPAQ in my hand just about anywhere and and be comfortable while watching a movie or TV show.

Everyone knows that you are a joke, so why don't you just quit already. You are ONE among about 50 other people in here telling you that you are full of sh!t.

 

[cavingjan]

I hate to chime in on this but I hate watching movies on my laptop screen due to size. I'd loathe watching such a small screen for that long. So that isn't a selling point for me and I'd rather use a portable MP3 player than an expensive PDA. But this is just my preference.

My 2 cents on this whole issue: I'm going with a PalmOS knockoff because it is cheap and does what I want it to. I'd still rather carry a full laptop to meetings and business trips to work and play and carry a cheap, disposable PDA (I'm eyeing up one of Casio's Pocket Viewers for about $50) that when I break it, I couldn't overly care. Then again, I don't always get to play in safe environments like the office.
This whole thing boils down to getting the PDA with the features YOU, the end user wants for the least amount of money. I'm not even 100% that I won't toss this thing in a drawer and let it rot.

I think several people need to back off on both sides of this arguement and just chill. This is worse than the old Intel - AMD battles.

 

[LittleWolf]

potatosalad



<< Palm is on the very cutting edge of technology. >>



You are kidding right... LOL....




<< Palm has OmniRemote, Win CE has no such thing >>



Yes, Win CE has. Do you want me to point you to a link?



<< The Palm can do both graffiti and Jot, (with add-on software). Microsoft contraptions can only do Jot, and not graffitti. >>



Yes, they can. Feel free to let me know, if you need a linky.



<< Palms have clip-on joystick and joypad accessories available that turn them into true gaming machines. Microsoft contraptions do not. >>



Apparently you haven't been to the outside world in a while. There are quite a few of similar add-ons, Joysticks and pads to WinCE devices. Needless to say, as we speak more are coming out, for the simple fact that, more manuf. have realized the success of PPC and are now making more for PPC rather than Palm.
Again, do let me know if you need any links to these accessories. LOL.. you are really pathetic.





<< Go to download.com, add up how many Palm titles are available versus how many Microsoft contraption titles. >>



Yeah, I am sure that there are like million versions of a clock program, another million versions of some stupid same game etc. If you actually seeve through the dross, you will release how many are actually useful.. Guess what, not all that many and PPC titles are fast adding up buddy.


And u talking of everything Palm can do what PPC does and since you brought up games, Can you play DOOM, SIM etc on Palm ? Can you watch live TV (at good quality and fps and not crappy dithered) with Palm? Can you do almost full blown browsing on a Palm? PPC IE can do all except Java Applets. Can Palm do that, without resorting to some pathetic "clippings"?




<< A Microsoft contraption lasts a few hours regardless of whether you use one-time batteries or rechargables >>



I am begining to have serious doubts whether you can read or not. :disgust: Didn't we say in the previous threads, that PPC can last for days without a recharge. It is only on full blast with heavy CPU and acccessories usage, it's life drop to about 4-6 hours?

And as far your contention that Palm didn't have any licences drop, guess again, folks like Nokia etc dropped their licenses and don't plan to use Palm.




<< Off the top of my head, Palm has C, C++, Java, Smalltalk and Fortran compilers >>



PPC has all the above, Linux (is there a Linux for Palm, ??) and VB etc too ..


-j

 

[potatosalad]

<< And u talking of everything Palm can do what PPC does and since you brought up games, Can you play DOOM, SIM etc on Palm ? Can you watch live TV (at good quality and fps and not crappy dithered) with Palm? Can you do almost full blown browsing on a Palm? PPC IE can do all except Java Applets. Can Palm do that, without resorting to some pathetic "clippings" >>



I do these things on my notebook, which has a Microsoft contraption equivalent battery life of a few hours.

I do lighter tasks on my PDA, which has a battery life of two months, and which I can take anywhere WITHOUT HAVING TO LUG AROUND SLEEVES, ADAPTORS, AND OTHER CRAP.

How many pounds is the iPaq again? 5 or 10?

 

[loup garou]

<< How many pounds is the iPaq again? 5 or 10? >>



How old are you again? 10 or 12?

Come on, this is getting really old. I bet you aren't even really a big-time Palm loyalist. You're just doing this to get your jollies now, and it's actually pretty sad, considering your posts make up a good percentage of this thread thats been going on for what? Almost 2 days now? Time for you (and everyone else) to move on....find something else to do.

 

[Nefrodite]

I do lighter tasks on my PDA, which has a battery life of two months, and which I can take anywhere WITHOUT HAVING TO LUG AROUND SLEEVES, ADAPTORS, AND OTHER CRAP.


huh? my visor deluxe using nihm batteries never lasts more then 2 weeks. i guess you don't use avantgo or anything. if you want to buy me a nice ipaq to trade for my incredible visor deluxe pm me

 

[OS]

Jihad!! Palm is great!!

 

[aznspeed]

Ok I refrained from posting long enough now!

When I got my HP Jornada the first thing I was impressed about was the fact that that tiny little thing could do sooo much.

It really showed me how technology has been rapidly evolving greater tools into use which make our lives much easier... Heck, I didn't even mind paying the $600 bux for it cause I needed it for its mobility. After playing around with it I really enjoyed all the nice "fancy" features it had to offer. That is why I choose to go with that instead of a palm, actually.

But, my joy and excitement came tumbling down to a miserable dissappointment when I realized that the Jornada was not very practical for hectic business use.

When I need information fast, I need it right away. I can't wait the time it takes for Win CE to load up, just so I can input a minute note. Also, there were times that my Jornada would run out of power and shut down. I realized what I wanted was something that was fast, reliable and more simple.

It didn't make sense for me to continue to use the Jornada, and so I decided to try the Palm M505.
Not as many cool features, but worked well and got the job done for me. Thats' what really matters anyways.

I think Palm still has the lead... But if the other PDA manufacturers start to model their products in the likeless of Palm; Perhaps you will see a new leader in this industry.

 

[MiniGolfIsFun]

You know what I find odd? The fact that some of the people who are supporting PPC in this argument has shown at least at least 7 links of their articles which backs up their statements, while potato has only referenced just 1 site.

What i'm seeing is not enough proof behind his statements, rather just him voicing his one opinion. and of course everyone's entitled to their opinion, we just have to realize that of course opinions can be wrong.

 

[SloppyB]

All this talk of software market share made me think?so I took a look at this:

Chart

Interesting?potato had better invest in Palm so they don?t go under.

As for me, I have owned a Palm 1000, 5000, IIIXe, Handspring Visor, Handspring Deluxe, Handspring Platinum, Handspring Prism and now a Compaq iPAQ. And you can have my iPAQ?when you pry it from my cold dead hands?or when the new model comes out.

And as for your asinine battery argument?compare a Handspring Prism or a Palm 505 to an iPAQ using the same features, syncing the same number of times and I bet the difference isn?t that great. My Prism never lasted a week. Sure I could get a week out a battery on an 8088 computer running DOS and not accessing any drives and only using a 7? screen but I would prefer 3 hours on my Tecra 9000 using WiFi to connect to my cable modem or watching a DVD.

BTW?as simplistic as you are potato?you have been entertaining?kind of like watching a lab rat getting repeatedly shocked by selecting the wrong food over and over and over. Too funny.

 

[RoninRXN]

<< You know what I find odd? The fact that some of the people who are supporting PPC in this argument has shown at least at least 7 links of their articles which backs up their statements, while potato has only referenced just 1 site.

What i'm seeing is not enough proof behind his statements, rather just him voicing his one opinion. and of course everyone's entitled to their opinion, we just have to realize that of course opinions can be wrong. >>



Ahem. Thank you. I have posted numerous links on how Palm is falling from their position as market leader while potatosalad does little but shout about how much he hates Microsoft and it's "contraptions". He repeats himself over and over and has little to back himself up on.

Therefore, I move to say that we just ignore him. Other people that had useful things to say about the virtues of Palm, thank you. You stated them in a manner that is consistent with humans while potatohead only argued the points he liked, ignored facts that he didn't like and generally made false statements such as 3 hour battery life on PPC and postage stamp sized video.

He's a troll. It's that simple and he just wants attention.

 

[akiraxtc]

come on guys give potatosalad a break, he's just trying to justify his purchase of overpriced palm device that can't even play mp3 or video
I would say peace of mind came if he can bash at ppc weaknesses and point out palm is the best, just cuz he own a palm. The only strength i can find on palm is it's size. period. Bah i can't even understand how to write in grafitti.. it took a long time to learn.