Plus Size is anything above a 14.

[hal2kilo]

This. If you're over the age of I'm guessing 25, you probably have an incredibly poor view of what healthy food looks like. You need a proper nutritional education before you can even begin the process of healthily losing weight long-term.

Gotta love Big Ag.

 

[shortylickens]

Yeah the food pyramid is based mostly on starch. That aint good.

And allegedly the sugar corporations paid off medical research companies to say fat was unhealthy.

Yup, I was right:

50 Years Ago, Sugar Industry Quietly Paid Scientists To Point Blame At Fat

Documents show that in the '60s, the sugar industry funded Harvard researchers who, examining risk factors of heart disease, dismissed concerns about sugar and doubled down on the dangers of fat.

www.npr.org

 

[purbeast0]

This. If you're over the age of I'm guessing 25, you probably have an incredibly poor view of what healthy food looks like. You need a proper nutritional education before you can even begin the process of healthily losing weight long-term.

It is VERY easy to find this information now a days. It's just that most people don't want to seek it out, or they do seek it out and after 2 days and not losing 10lbs, they are done with it and think it doesn't work.

It's also pretty common sense as to what is healthy for most people. Most people know that stuff like fast food and junk food is not healthy for you, and that chicken breasts and salads and veggies are healthy for you.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Odd sizes are for Juniors, evens are for Women. Girls use every number.

I did not know that, good information.

 

[nakedfrog]

Generally speaking, fast food is fine, so long as you skip soda/dessert and don't get large fries, or overly large portions like a triple Whopper kind of thing.

Yeah the food pyramid is based mostly on starch. That aint good.

And allegedly the sugar corporations paid off medical research companies to say fat was unhealthy.

Allegedly?

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

It is VERY easy to find this information now a days. It's just that most people don't want to seek it out, or they do seek it out and after 2 days and not losing 10lbs, they are done with it and think it doesn't work.

It's also pretty common sense as to what is healthy for most people. Most people know that stuff like fast food and junk food is not healthy for you, and that chicken breasts and salads and veggies are healthy for you.

Yes, if you know you need to look for it. If I told you that working out doesn't burn off fat, you'd probably think I was crazy, because you were told in school that burning calories actually gets rid of calories from your fat stores (spoiler, it doesn't always).

Yeah, some of it is common sense. Some of it isn't. Fruit's pretty bad for you if you eat too much, because it's made of sugar. We were told growing up to eat like 35 servings of goddamned apples a day though. Getting 70% or whatever of your calories from bread and pasta is also pretty fucking stupid, no matter how artisanal it is. I'll never blame someone for poor nutritional education because they know exactly what they were taught.

 

[Zorba]

I did not know that, good information.

I've done lots of clothes shopping with my wife and for my daughter. When the wife wants/needs new clothes I basically have to go with her to the store, and pick out a ton of stuff for her to try on. She'll go look at a rack and be like "I don't feel like fucking with this" and leave.

Worse thing about women's clothing is basically someone decides what the style is and it's impossible to find something different. 100 women's clothes stores, but all of it is very similar. If ultra low rise skinny jeans are the style, good luck finding anything else. Last time we tried to get her work clothes the style was very baggy tops, everything looked like a trash bag.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I've done lots of clothes shopping with my wife and for my daughter. When the wife wants/needs new clothes I basically have to go with her to the store, and pick out a ton of stuff for her to try on. She'll go look at a rack and be like "I don't feel like fucking with this" and leave.

Worse thing about women's clothing is basically someone decides what the style is and it's impossible to find something different. 100 women's clothes stores, but all of it is very similar. If ultra low rise skinny jeans are the style, good luck finding anything else. Last time we tried to get her work clothes the style was very baggy tops, everything looked like a trash bag.

Goddamnit, FUCK skinny jeans. Fuck those right to the 9th circle of hell, straight up Brutus' asscrack, down Lucifer's gullet, and straight out the other end.

Rack upon rack of size 26 and size 4 fucking skinny jeans, of 13 different styles. Straight to hell with all of it.

 

[Leeea]

I've done lots of clothes shopping with my wife and for my daughter. When the wife wants/needs new clothes I basically have to go with her to the store, and pick out a ton of stuff for her to try on. She'll go look at a rack and be like "I don't feel like fucking with this" and leave.

Worse thing about women's clothing is basically someone decides what the style is and it's impossible to find something different. 100 women's clothes stores, but all of it is very similar. If ultra low rise skinny jeans are the style, good luck finding anything else. Last time we tried to get her work clothes the style was very baggy tops, everything looked like a trash bag.

Nearly all stores are pointless. Unless your wife looks identical to the mannequin in the window, nothing in the store will look good on her. A style made for a inhuman display prop is not going to look good on a human being.

Lane Bryant may be the only exception to it all, but they are expensive. Everything I have bought at Lane Bryant has been good quality and lasted for years though. The staff can be hit and miss.

Amazon on the other hand is 50/50 it is going be be sent back, but at least a person does not waste hours of their life going through clothing designed to look good on mannequins. These days I almost always go right to Amazon. The least bad choice.

 

[Zorba]

It is VERY easy to find this information now a days. It's just that most people don't want to seek it out, or they do seek it out and after 2 days and not losing 10lbs, they are done with it and think it doesn't work.

It's also pretty common sense as to what is healthy for most people. Most people know that stuff like fast food and junk food is not healthy for you, and that chicken breasts and salads and veggies are healthy for you.

Problem with researching anything to do with nutrition is half of what you find is Brah science and the other half is bullshit marketing. The real days isn't that easy to find through all the noise.

At the end of the day if you want to lose weight you consume less calories than you burn. Pretty straight forward. You can do that eating nothing but potatoes, or meat, or vegetables.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

At the end of the day if you want to lose weight you consume less calories than you burn.

Gotta be careful with that specific one, as what we burn isn't as straightforward as we were taught either.

Eating less, far less than we're served is a good recipe for success. Seriously, like half a burger, no fries. 300 calories or less per meal.

 

[purbeast0]

This thread has reminded me as to why these discussions always go better in the H&F forum lol. People actually know what they are talking about over there.

 

[Stokely]

Yep, all stuff a grandma would recognize. She wouldn't know what the hell a hot pocket was supposed to be. Then again she might not recognize a burrito salad bowl either and those are relatively healthy (if not too huge).

Another rough rule of thumb, only (or mostly) buy stuff from the outside aisle of the grocery store. Coffee of course being the most important exception to that. Make a dedicated surgical run to the inside aisles for that, try not to even see the crackers and cookies and sodas. I wish I still had sodas to cut out--a regular soda is like a liquid candy bar and doesn't even slightly fill you up.

 

[nakedfrog]

Gotta be careful with that specific one, as what we burn isn't as straightforward as we were taught either.

Eating less, far less than we're served is a good recipe for success. Seriously, like half a burger, no fries. 300 calories or less per meal.

WTF, no way. I couldn't live like that. I usually aim for 450-600 for lunch and 600-800 for dinner, with a snack later on.

 

[purbeast0]

And what "we're served" depends on where you are eating, if you are making your own food, etc.

Oh, and 300 calories for someone weighing 46lbs like my son is a lot different than 300 calories for myself being 195lbs.

Arbitrarily throwing out calorie numbers is 100% pointless without any context of who is consuming it.

 

[shortylickens]

This thread has reminded me as to why these discussions always go better in the H&F forum lol. People actually know what they are talking about over there.

well I wanted to discuss the socio-political implications BUT YOU FUCKTARDS ALWAYS DERAIL EVERYTHING!!

 

[purbeast0]

well I wanted to discuss the socio-political implications BUT YOU FUCKTARDS ALWAYS DERAIL EVERYTHING!!

My bad. People got offended when I called a spade a spade.

 

[shortylickens]

My bad. People got offended when I called a spade a spade.

Dude, Its "African American".

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

WTF, no way. I couldn't live like that. I usually aim for 450-600 for lunch and 600-800 for dinner, with a snack later on.

You'd be surprised! I tend to have a smidge more than the GF (i get low blood sugar issues sometimes, thanks to my poor diet as a kiddo). She's usually between 800 and 1k for a day, I'm generally in the 1k-1.1k. Roughly 500cal deficit from our expenditure, we've had an almost rock solid 4lbs of weight loss a month for the last 12.

 

[vi edit]

Gotta be careful with that specific one, as what we burn isn't as straightforward as we were taught either.

Eating less, far less than we're served is a good recipe for success. Seriously, like half a burger, no fries. 300 calories or less per meal.

As a parent it's a struggle. I've found that scales really help in the kitchen. My 13 year old daughter has *no* concept of portion sizes. She likes putting peanut butter on apples. I walked in one day and it was a *massive* scoop of peanut butter. I asked her if she had any idea how much it was. She said "a serving". I asked her if she was sure and busted out the scale. Looked at the back and a serving size was like 35 grams and 200 calories. I put a dish on the scale, zeroed it, scooped the peanut butter she hadn't eaten already on there and it was over 80 grams. It was well over 400 calories of peanut butter. Plus what she ate, and 60 calories for the apple. It was a 500 calorie "snack". She's getting a belly on her and we're constantly trying to point out serving sizes among a number of other very unhealthy eating habits. But it's hard because most other kids just get unchecked piles of snacks and trash.

 

[Fenixgoon]

You'd be surprised! I tend to have a smidge more than the GF (i get low blood sugar issues sometimes, thanks to my poor diet as a kiddo). She's usually between 800 and 1k for a day, I'm generally in the 1k-1.1k. Roughly 500cal deficit from our expenditure, we've had an almost rock solid 4lbs of weight loss a month for the last 12.

I'd be ready to shank someone, but if that works for you, good deal!

 

[nakedfrog]

You'd be surprised! I tend to have a smidge more than the GF (i get low blood sugar issues sometimes, thanks to my poor diet as a kiddo). She's usually between 800 and 1k for a day, I'm generally in the 1k-1.1k. Roughly 500cal deficit from our expenditure, we've had an almost rock solid 4lbs of weight loss a month for the last 12.

I ate a lunch about two weeks ago that was 280 calories (almost all protein and fat) and ended up having to eat a protein bar a couple hours later because I was ravenous. 350 is about the lowest I can skate by on. I've been holding within 3% of 162 pounds for a year now, from my peak of ~300.

 

[nakedfrog]

As a parent it's a struggle. I've found that scales really help in the kitchen. My 13 year old daughter has *no* concept of portion sizes. She likes putting peanut butter on apples. I walked in one day and it was a *massive* scoop of peanut butter. I asked her if she had any idea how much it was. She said "a serving". I asked her if she was sure and busted out the scale. Looked at the back and a serving size was like 35 grams and 200 calories. I put a dish on the scale, zeroed it, scooped the peanut butter she hadn't eaten already on there and it was over 80 grams. It was well over 400 calories of peanut butter. Plus what she ate, and 60 calories for the apple. It was a 500 calorie "snack". She's getting a belly on her and we're constantly trying to point out serving sizes among a number of other very unhealthy eating habits. But it's hard because most other kids just get unchecked piles of snacks and trash.

Yep, when I was getting further on in my weight loss, I ended up measuring out servings to make sure I was staying on target. I can generally eyeball it and be close enough now.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

As a parent it's a struggle. I've found that scales really help in the kitchen. My 13 year old daughter has *no* concept of portion sizes. She likes putting peanut butter on apples. I walked in one day and it was a *massive* scoop of peanut butter. I asked her if she had any idea how much it was. She said "a serving". I asked her if she was sure and busted out the scale. Looked at the back and a serving size was like 35 grams and 200 calories. I put a dish on the scale, zeroed it, scooped the peanut butter she hadn't eaten already on there and it was over 80 grams. It was well over 400 calories of peanut butter. Plus what she ate, and 60 calories for the apple. It was a 500 calorie "snack". She's getting a belly on her and we're constantly trying to point out serving sizes among a number of other very unhealthy eating habits. But it's hard because most other kids just get unchecked piles of snacks and trash.

I understand, believe me. Took a while just for myself to get portion sizes under control, much less reduce them. I don't have kids so I can only comment through my cousins, but they eat like shit. I'm convinced the only reason they aren't fat is they're growing upwards too fast for the outwards to keep up. Dessert with almost every meal (including sodas with breakfast), huge portion, snacking constantly. Whole family is morbidly obese. Having an overabundance of food constantly is not something our brains were wired for.

I'd be ready to shank someone, but if that works for you, good deal!

Yeah... it took me a little longer to work down to this than my GF did. I'm maybe 5lbs behind her due to having to work down to that few calories. Lots of hangry moments but we made it work.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I ate a lunch about two weeks ago that was 280 calories (almost all protein and fat) and ended up having to eat a protein bar a couple hours later because I was ravenous. 350 is about the lowest I can skate by on. I've been holding within 3% of 162 pounds for a year now, from my peak of ~300.

To clarify, this is most definitely our weight-loss diet, not normalized diet. I'm expecting us to be closer to 1200-1500/day once we're at a target weight (which is a moving target). I'm right at 200lbs, down from upper 230's, probably 240. GF is at 170, down from 213. 500/day, 3,500/week, 14,000/month. Clockwork.