Plus Size is anything above a 14.

[[DHT]Osiris]

Speaking very briefly for women everywhere, having a universal sizing system that's actually accurate across brands, and even across offerings within the same brand, would be wonderful. Can't even tell you the number of times sizes have just been wrong for my GF. Less of an issue for me.

Oh, and give them actual pockets too.

Related, my GF and I have been on a calorie restrictive diet for the last year, or so, we're ~45 lbs down. Not sure how far we're going, but at least another 30lbs to go.

 

[Leeea]

That's cause you're a lazy fatty who can't control what they eat and too lazy to exercise.

You do like to look down at your nose at people. Makes you feel good, eh? Why do you feel your life is so pathetic you need to devalue the lives of everyone around you in order to feel ok about it?

Rather then going around fat shaming to make yourself feel good about yourself, maybe you should find a positive way to feel good about yourself.

 

[purbeast0]

Hm, I'm not seeing anything that says you can burn more than 200 calories in 10 minutes of HIIT (unless you weigh 350 lbs, and it's probably going to be tough to manage if you weight 350)

You're overselling it a bit. I don't care for working out, so I just try to walk a total of 3+ miles per day and do planks, and I have all those benefits. What works for you (and what works for me) is not universal. Diet is vastly more important, and working out sucks (for many people), in addition to requiring time and dedication.

I didn't say you burn it WHILE working out. As I said, there is much more to it than just the calories burned while exercising. You continue to burn calories AFTER doing HIIT, possibly for multiple hours after.

There are also many varying degrees of HIIT.

You will burn more calories doing HIIT while running on a track vs. doing it on a treadmill. And more so than doing it on a bike, elliptical, etc.

You say you don't care for working out so I'm guessing you don't know much about HIIT, which is okay.

 

[hal2kilo]

A fat chick will spend 2 hours a day doing their makeup and hair to "look good" but won't spend 30 minutes a day exercising which would make them look better.

I just got back from Puerto Rico and while waiting for my flight out of BWI to SJU I noticed just how fat everyone getting on the plane was. I noticed this because it was just my wife and I and I was wondering who the hell was going to sit next to us and was hoping like 90% of the other passengers wouldn't sit next to us, male and female. Thankfully the flight wasn't full so we had our own row.

Then while at our hotel there, we were with another couple, and my friend was mentioning how the whole time he never saw anyone that "looks" like they workout. And then I thought about that as well and didn't either. We both exercise and are in good physical shape too, but damn there are so many fat people in our country.

God, every bodies a fatty. Just watch the old Woodstock movie. Compared to today, most of the participants look emaciated compared to the average build out there. I stopped carrying around an extra 40 pounds when it looked like being fat was a definite comorbidity for COVID.

 

[purbeast0]

Speaking very briefly for women everywhere, having a universal sizing system that's actually accurate across brands, and even across offerings within the same brand, would be wonderful. Can't even tell you the number of times sizes have just been wrong for my GF. Less of an issue for me.

Oh, and give them actual pockets too.

Related, my GF and I have been on a calorie restrictive diet for the last year, or so, we're ~45 lbs down. Not sure how far we're going, but at least another 30lbs to go.

It's amazing what putting a little effort into it will do. Congrats on the changes.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

It's amazing what putting a little effort into it will do. Congrats on the changes.

More than a little effort. Don't poo-poo on people that struggle with it. I've struggled with my weight for about 30 years, tried a lot of stuff, some of which worked, some of which went very poorly.

Pretty sure this one's gonna stick. I've gotten a better awareness of my body's actual caloric requirements vs how much the average American consumes, so I should be able to keep myself from gaining again.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Let's all just go nudist, watch clothing sales plummet. Sounds great until winter hits

 

[hal2kilo]

More than a little effort. Don't poo-poo on people that struggle with it. I've struggled with my weight for about 30 years, tried a lot of stuff, some of which worked, some of which went very poorly.

Pretty sure this one's gonna stick. I've gotten a better awareness of my body's actual caloric requirements vs how much the average American consumes, so I should be able to keep myself from gaining again.

I've got to walk at least 8 miles a week. I will not diet. Just weigh yourself everyday. Back off shoving food in your pie whole when you pass you weight target. My method works for me, no way to tell what will work for others. It's a life long struggle.

 

[purbeast0]

More than a little effort. Don't poo-poo on people that struggle with it. I've struggled with my weight for about 30 years, tried a lot of stuff, some of which worked, some of which went very poorly.

Pretty sure this one's gonna stick. I've gotten a better awareness of my body's actual caloric requirements vs how much the average American consumes, so I should be able to keep myself from gaining again.

My point is it's doable. And anyone can do it if they put in the effort.

I know the kind of effort it takes because I know how to lose/gain weight and have done it many times. I never said it was easy. But ANYONE can do it. It's just easier NOT to do it.

 

[MrPickins]

A fat chick ...

This tells me all I need to know about you.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I've got to walk at least 8 miles a week. I will not diet. Just weigh yourself everyday. Back off shoving food in your pie whole when you pass you weight target. My method works for me, no way to tell what will work for others. It's a life long struggle.

Interestingly enough, exercise may not always be enough.

The Exercise Paradox

Studies of how the human engine burns calories help to explain why physical activity does little to control weight—and how our species acquired some of its most distinctive traits

www.scientificamerican.com

In many ways, exercise does wonderful things to our bodies. It's also possible that working out won't affect weight one iota as your body just pulls calories from other processes within our bodies.

 

[hal2kilo]

Interestingly enough, exercise may not always be enough.

The Exercise Paradox

Studies of how the human engine burns calories help to explain why physical activity does little to control weight—and how our species acquired some of its most distinctive traits

www.scientificamerican.com

In many ways, exercise does wonderful things to our bodies. It's also possible that working out won't affect weight one iota as your body just pulls calories from other processes within our bodies.

Don't remind me. I'm actually fighting a plateau.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

My point is it's doable. And anyone can do it if they put in the effort.

I know the kind of effort it takes because I know how to lose/gain weight and have done it many times. I never said it was easy. But ANYONE can do it. It's just easier NOT to do it.

'Effort' isn't necessarily the right word there. It's easy to eat less, it's far less easy to get past the mental issues surrounding it.

Weight issues are really mental health issues in disguise.

 

[Zorba]

oh, fucking bullshit.

The only time I lost weight to exercise is when I worked the line in a refrigerated cheese factory. I put in a 10 hours shift 5 days a week lifting two 40 pound blocks of cheese on the line every 15 seconds in a 35F fridge.

You do not even know what exercise means you lazy piece of shit.

Most people increase their calorie intake to make up for burned calories. Weight loss from just exercise, without at least some monitoring of diet is generally a pipe dream.

However exercise has many other health benefits than just weight loss.

Being obese in general has massive quality of life impacts, especially as you age. Doesn't mean people should be shamed, but also doesn't mean it shouldn't be discussed.

 

[shortylickens]

Let's all just go nudist, watch clothing sales plummet. Sounds great until winter hits

no thats yet another crusade for the ultra conservatives to fight and god knows they dont need any more fuel.

 

[nakedfrog]

Speaking very briefly for women everywhere, having a universal sizing system that's actually accurate across brands, and even across offerings within the same brand, would be wonderful. Can't even tell you the number of times sizes have just been wrong for my GF. Less of an issue for me.

Oh, and give them actual pockets too.

Related, my GF and I have been on a calorie restrictive diet for the last year, or so, we're ~45 lbs down. Not sure how far we're going, but at least another 30lbs to go.

As someone who's spent a bit of time shopping in both sections, I don't really know that women's clothes are all THAT much more variable than men's. I had a pair of men's jeans that I really liked the fit and comfort of, and two other pairs from the same brand in the same size didn't fit the same, as an example. I'd be on board with consistent sizing for all clothes though, and yes, pockets... you can occasionally find a nice skirt with usable pockets, but definitely not the norm.

More than a little effort. Don't poo-poo on people that struggle with it. I've struggled with my weight for about 30 years, tried a lot of stuff, some of which worked, some of which went very poorly.

Pretty sure this one's gonna stick. I've gotten a better awareness of my body's actual caloric requirements vs how much the average American consumes, so I should be able to keep myself from gaining again.

I think that was probably key for me, adjusting my intake to what my metabolism actually calls for.

'Effort' isn't necessarily the right word there. It's easy to eat less, it's far less easy to get past the mental issues surrounding it.

Weight issues are really mental health issues in disguise.

I'd definitely say sugar addiction is a factor, that was one of the biggest hurdles when I was getting from 240 down to 200, I got some pretty intense cravings, as bad or worse than nicotine cravings.

 

[ch33zw1z]

no thats yet another crusade for the ultra conservatives to fight and god knows they dont need any more fuel.

Heaven is a nudist colony, change my mind /micdrop

 

[hal2kilo]

Heaven is a nudist colony, change my mind /micdrop

Replace "sing" with "go nude". My mind, it just goes there.

Guards! Make sure the Prince doesn't leave this room ... - YouTube

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

As someone who's spent a bit of time shopping in both sections, I don't really know that women's clothes are all THAT much more variable than men's. I had a pair of men's jeans that I really liked the fit and comfort of, and two other pairs from the same brand in the same size didn't fit the same, as an example. I'd be on board with consistent sizing for all clothes though, and yes, pockets... you can occasionally find a nice skirt with usable pockets, but definitely not the norm.

It may be as variable as men's, and I just don't notice as much since I tend to buy on the baggy end usually. I just know that my GF has pairs that are entire sizes apart (or two sizes I guess? not a lot of mfgs do odd-numbered sizes) that are identical fits. On average we return probably 75% of what she orders. It's just as bad for shirts. One large wraps her up like a burrito, another will hang off her like a sheet.

I'd definitely say sugar addiction is a factor, that was one of the biggest hurdles when I was getting from 240 down to 200, I got some pretty intense cravings, as bad or worse than nicotine cravings.

No cravings for sugar specifically for me, just issues with blood sugar until I stabilized more. I still struggle with that, require midday snack sometimes. I'm just not eating 800 calorie meals anymore.

 

[Stokely]

Again, what do women in particular have to do with all this? Even bringing up gender starts to reek of "geek is ok with being obese but wants his chicks to slim down or he won't bring them into his parents' basement".....

PEOPLE are overweight, not just in this country but we are leading the way.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Again, what do women in particular have to do with all this? Even bringing up gender starts to reek of "geek is ok with being obese but wants his chicks to slim down or he won't bring them into his parents' basement".....

PEOPLE are overweight, not just in this country but we are leading the way.

I mean, the OP's article is specifically about women's clothing lines... Blame those that are derailing it I guess?

 

[Fenixgoon]

My point is it's doable. And anyone can do it if they put in the effort.

I know the kind of effort it takes because I know how to lose/gain weight and have done it many times. I never said it was easy. But ANYONE can do it. It's just easier NOT to do it.

Most things are doable "if you put in the effort". You can build your own house if you put in the effort. But it's a monumental fucking effort.

There's a balance to be had - no we shouldn't glorify a 600lb person, but we also need to recognize that our system is setup to get as many calories in people as cheaply as possible, which is self-sabotaging, and that there is a huge variance in body types. So what a "healthy weight" is going to be a pretty broad range (and also ignores lots of other indicators of health).

Also, the food pyramid I grew up with is actually terrible for you. And if you go out to eat, getting 2000 calories in one sitting is comically easy (see above about large calories as easily/cheaply as possible)

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Also, the food pyramid I grew up with is actually terrible for you. And if you go out to eat, getting 2000 calories in one sitting is comically easy (see above about large calories as easily/cheaply as possible)

This. If you're over the age of I'm guessing 25, you probably have an incredibly poor view of what healthy food looks like. You need a proper nutritional education before you can even begin the process of healthily losing weight long-term.

 

[Zorba]

It may be as variable as men's, and I just don't notice as much since I tend to buy on the baggy end usually. I just know that my GF has pairs that are entire sizes apart (or two sizes I guess? not a lot of mfgs do odd-numbered sizes) that are identical fits. On average we return probably 75% of what she orders. It's just as bad for shirts. One large wraps her up like a burrito, another will hang off her like a sheet.

No cravings for sugar specifically for me, just issues with blood sugar until I stabilized more. I still struggle with that, require midday snack sometimes. I'm just not eating 800 calorie meals anymore.

Odd sizes are for Juniors, evens are for Women. Girls use every number.

 

[Stokely]

What has worked for me in the past is relatively simple (not easy, but simple) - either at home or in restaurants, take the amount you think you can eat and cut that in half or so. Eat slowly. Get a big water before the meal and drink it. I've found I'm often full with that much. I've heard it said that it takes time to really know you are full. Anything after that is eating for taste, and especially at a restaurant, it's hard to resist things that taste that good. Put the rest in a take home box or tupperware and save for the next meal.

Until I was 35 or so, exercise alone could get me in shape. No longer, exercise alone doesn't seem to even make a dent.