Please stop the stereotyping of those with religious views and attempting to use religiosity as a slur

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Crimson
Religious hatred is openly accepted, and I would even go so far as saying its almost endorsed by the powers that be here at Anandtech, because its simply NEVER stopped. I am not even a very religious person, but I support many of the same positions that they do, and I find it absolutely disgusting the amount of bigotry thats allowed on this forum toward religious people. If the same hatred were applied toward gays, lesbians, blacks, mexicans, etc, the people saying it would be banned in a heartbeat. I'm absolutely certain I could take a post made by some in these forums bashing religious folks, and simply replace the words 'fundamentalist' with 'gay', and I would be banned before my fingers left the keyboard.

Thats simply not right, and I think the OP is making a good point in saying that the generalizations and hatred needs to stop. Bigotry doesn't only apply to gays and minorities, it also applies to the majority, or a large group. Anandtech should not allow it toward ANY group.

There is certainly some truth in what you say, though I think you've grossly overstated it. More importantly, however, I suspect your "outrage" vanishes in a blink if I take your complaints and replace "Christianity" with "Islam". There are certainly many people here -- people on your end of the political spectrum -- who openly and entusiastically demonstrate religious hatred towards Muslims.

As for myself, I have no problem with Christians, including fundamentalists, as long as they are sincere and as long as they keep their beliefs to themselves. I have major problems with the hypocrites and the zealots who are determined to impose their beliefs on everyone else. Unfortunately, these are the very "Christians" who tend to be most visible and vocal, power- and money-hungry crooks who use religion as a smoke screen to mask their malfeasance.

I'm a bit disappointed that none of the people who lashed out against Christian religious stereotyping jumped up to denounce the rampant hateful stereotyping of Muslims.



But I'm not a bit surprised. Hypocrites.

 

[Jhhnn]

Portraying the attacker as the victim is pretty standard among religious extremists everywhere, of any stripe. Which is precisely what glenn1 is doing. It's really none of my business if anybody wants to spend their weekends chanting, singing, and handling deadly serpents, or whatever. I'm even polite to the occasional Jehovah's Witness or Mormon missionary who lands on my front porch. But they're not trying to coerce me by taking over the govt, either- the Rev Dobson and his kind have crossed the line, and are now trying to tell the rest of us how to live. They've moved from the private arena to the public, and deserve every scintilla of scorn they receive, as do their meddling powerfreak whackjob brethren of whatever faith you'd care to name. They're not "men of God", at all, they're wolves in sheep's clothing.

 

[Tommunist]

Originally posted by: glenn1
Even to presume that if we were to talk about a particular denomination, it's absolutely insulting to think that members of the faith would share some robotic, hive-like common opinion about most political questions.

Anyone who is evangical (in the true sense of the word) is actually what you describe here. I have nearly zero respect for anyone who takes the bible literally and since they think I'm going to hell I guess it's all even.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Crimson
Religious hatred is openly accepted, and I would even go so far as saying its almost endorsed by the powers that be here at Anandtech, because its simply NEVER stopped. I am not even a very religious person, but I support many of the same positions that they do, and I find it absolutely disgusting the amount of bigotry thats allowed on this forum toward religious people. If the same hatred were applied toward gays, lesbians, blacks, mexicans, etc, the people saying it would be banned in a heartbeat. I'm absolutely certain I could take a post made by some in these forums bashing religious folks, and simply replace the words 'fundamentalist' with 'gay', and I would be banned before my fingers left the keyboard.

Thats simply not right, and I think the OP is making a good point in saying that the generalizations and hatred needs to stop. Bigotry doesn't only apply to gays and minorities, it also applies to the majority, or a large group. Anandtech should not allow it toward ANY group.

There is certainly some truth in what you say, though I think you've grossly overstated it. More importantly, however, I suspect your "outrage" vanishes in a blink if I take your complaints and replace "Christianity" with "Islam". There are certainly many people here -- people on your end of the political spectrum -- who openly and entusiastically demonstrate religious hatred towards Muslims.

As for myself, I have no problem with Christians, including fundamentalists, as long as they are sincere and as long as they keep their beliefs to themselves. I have major problems with the hypocrites and the zealots who are determined to impose their beliefs on everyone else. Unfortunately, these are the very "Christians" who tend to be most visible and vocal, power- and money-hungry crooks who use religion as a smoke screen to mask their malfeasance.

I'm a bit disappointed that none of the people who lashed out against Christian religious stereotyping jumped up to denounce the rampant hateful stereotyping of Muslims.



But I'm not a bit surprised. Hypocrites.

Ofcourse there would have to be rampant hatred spewed towards the Muslim religion here. That doesn't seem to be the case as some people(like infosquawk) lump everyone together and others specifically note what type of person they are talking about( ie. radical muslim, or jihadist, etc). I myself am disgusted by any hate spew directed to a general religious group.
So while you whine about an almost non-existent problem, the rest of us can discuss what actually IS going on here...

CsG

 

[glenn1]

Portraying the attacker as the victim is pretty standard among religious extremists everywhere, of any stripe. Which is precisely what glenn1 is doing. It's really none of my business if anybody wants to spend their weekends chanting, singing, and handling deadly serpents, or whatever. I'm even polite to the occasional Jehovah's Witness or Mormon missionary who lands on my front porch. But they're not trying to coerce me by taking over the govt, either- the Rev Dobson and his kind have crossed the line, and are now trying to tell the rest of us how to live. They've moved from the private arena to the public, and deserve every scintilla of scorn they receive, as do their meddling powerfreak whackjob brethren of whatever faith you'd care to name. They're not "men of God", at all, they're wolves in sheep's clothing.

I'm not trying to portray anyone as a victim. My POV however is that "religious people" or "evangelicals," etc. don't really form a truly coherent and discrete bloc when it comes to political questions. When a group does share common views, I'd say that religion is one the factors furthest down the list why they'd agree. To presume that a Mormon from Utah is going to have the same POV on a political question as a Presbyterian from Vermont just because they're both "Christian" is to me exceptionally far-fetched.

Heck, I bet you in most cases, that if you broke it down to a family level, that even an individual pastor and their spouse will disagree on quite a few political issues. To then expand that to an entire church, denomination, or faith, and say that everyone in those groups will have the same view on a politcal subject? Not bloody likely.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Crimson
Religious hatred is openly accepted, and I would even go so far as saying its almost endorsed by the powers that be here at Anandtech, because its simply NEVER stopped. I am not even a very religious person, but I support many of the same positions that they do, and I find it absolutely disgusting the amount of bigotry thats allowed on this forum toward religious people. If the same hatred were applied toward gays, lesbians, blacks, mexicans, etc, the people saying it would be banned in a heartbeat. I'm absolutely certain I could take a post made by some in these forums bashing religious folks, and simply replace the words 'fundamentalist' with 'gay', and I would be banned before my fingers left the keyboard.

Thats simply not right, and I think the OP is making a good point in saying that the generalizations and hatred needs to stop. Bigotry doesn't only apply to gays and minorities, it also applies to the majority, or a large group. Anandtech should not allow it toward ANY group.

There is certainly some truth in what you say, though I think you've grossly overstated it. More importantly, however, I suspect your "outrage" vanishes in a blink if I take your complaints and replace "Christianity" with "Islam". There are certainly many people here -- people on your end of the political spectrum -- who openly and entusiastically demonstrate religious hatred towards Muslims.

As for myself, I have no problem with Christians, including fundamentalists, as long as they are sincere and as long as they keep their beliefs to themselves. I have major problems with the hypocrites and the zealots who are determined to impose their beliefs on everyone else. Unfortunately, these are the very "Christians" who tend to be most visible and vocal, power- and money-hungry crooks who use religion as a smoke screen to mask their malfeasance.

I'm a bit disappointed that none of the people who lashed out against Christian religious stereotyping jumped up to denounce the rampant hateful stereotyping of Muslims.



But I'm not a bit surprised. Hypocrites.

Ofcourse there would have to be rampant hatred spewed towards the Muslim religion here. That doesn't seem to be the case as some people(like infosquawk) lump everyone together and others specifically note what type of person they are talking about( ie. radical muslim, or jihadist, etc). I myself am disgusted by any hate spew directed to a general religious group.
So while you whine about an almost non-existent problem, the rest of us can discuss what actually IS going on here...

CsG

Hah! You make at least as many generalizations about democrats/liberals as Infohawk does when it comes to republicans/conservaties...

It's a problem and we're all part of it... you're just a bigger part of it

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Tab
Hah! You make at least as many generalizations about democrats/liberals as Infohawk does...

It's a problem and we're all part of it... you're just a bigger part of it

I never said I didn't generalize about politics. We're talking about Religion here son. Maybe you should try to keep up with the discussion...

CsG

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Tab
Hah! You make at least as many generalizations about democrats/liberals as Infohawk does...

It's a problem and we're all part of it... you're just a bigger part of it

I never said I didn't generalize about politics. We're talking about Religion here son. Maybe you should try to keep up with the discussion...

CsG

Yes, we're talking about religion and sterotypes as well as crappy generalizations...

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Tab
Hah! You make at least as many generalizations about democrats/liberals as Infohawk does...

It's a problem and we're all part of it... you're just a bigger part of it

I never said I didn't generalize about politics. We're talking about Religion here son. Maybe you should try to keep up with the discussion...

CsG

Yes, we're talking about religion and sterotypes as well as crappy generalizations...

The posts I quoted were about religious stereotypes and generalizations. This thread is about the same thing. While your duhversions may have some merit - they mean nothing in this thread.

CsG

 

[InfectedMushroom]

I have contempt for any and all forms of organized religion. I'm sure it shows through my posts. Tough luck.

 

[slurmsmackenzie]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: glenn1
Topic Title: Please stop the stereotyping of those with religious views and attempting to use religiosity as a slur

There seems to be an unfortunate trend here lately to universalize the religious in general, and Christians/Evangelicals in particular. In some cases you may feel it's "shorthand" for someone who holds the POV/policy/position you're talking about.

Please discontinue this practice unless the thread of topic at hand is specifically addressing a religious topic. It's both obnoxious and pandering when you attempt to turn such individual and private topic as religious faith into some sort of monolithic construction which all its members embrace. It's even worse when after identifying a particular group, you then presume to know in advance what members of that group think. No matter how thinly you attempt to slice the target group, you're still not going to be able to be generic enough to cover the spectrum of viewpoints that your targets will hold. A Pentecostal "snake handler" has as about as much in common with a Quaker in terms of faith as a Hassidic Jew does with a Hindu. Even to presume that if we were to talk about a particular denomination, it's absolutely insulting to think that members of the faith would share some robotic, hive-like common opinion about most political questions.

When a Religious Group is no longer in control of our Government (now a Republican based Christian Theocracy) then you would have a beef, until then the march towards Revolution and the drums against said Theocracy will beat louder everyday they continue to control.

"a religious group"....made into a proper noun. that's pretty vague, don'tcha think?

 

[AntiEverything]

Hell John Kerry is Catholic. Apparently most people here would be quite happy to have the Vatican running the country.

Oh wait, that must be different somehow...

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
There is certainly some truth in what you say, though I think you've grossly overstated it. More importantly, however, I suspect your "outrage" vanishes in a blink if I take your complaints and replace "Christianity" with "Islam". There are certainly many people here -- people on your end of the political spectrum -- who openly and entusiastically demonstrate religious hatred towards Muslims.

As for myself, I have no problem with Christians, including fundamentalists, as long as they are sincere and as long as they keep their beliefs to themselves. I have major problems with the hypocrites and the zealots who are determined to impose their beliefs on everyone else. Unfortunately, these are the very "Christians" who tend to be most visible and vocal, power- and money-hungry crooks who use religion as a smoke screen to mask their malfeasance.

I'm a bit disappointed that none of the people who lashed out against Christian religious stereotyping jumped up to denounce the rampant hateful stereotyping of Muslims.



But I'm not a bit surprised. Hypocrites.

Ofcourse there would have to be rampant hatred spewed towards the Muslim religion here.

Huh? If you have a point, it was lost in that muddled sentence. Sorry.

That doesn't seem to be the case as some people(like infosquawk) lump everyone together and others specifically note what type of person they are talking about( ie. radical muslim, or jihadist, etc). I myself am disgusted by any hate spew directed to a general religious group..

So does that include the hateful stereotyping of Muslims or not? If so, grow a backbone and say so directly instead of obfuscating with generalities.

So while you whine about an almost non-existent problem, the rest of us can discuss what actually IS going on here...

CsG

Bite me you sanctimonious twit. Are you really trying to claim that hateful stereotyping of Muslims is "almost non-existent"? If so, you've raised cognitive dissonance to a whole new level.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: AntiEverything
Hell John Kerry is Catholic. Apparently most people here would be quite happy to have the Vatican running the country.

Oh wait, that must be different somehow...

The 1950's called. They want their bigotry back.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
There is certainly some truth in what you say, though I think you've grossly overstated it. More importantly, however, I suspect your "outrage" vanishes in a blink if I take your complaints and replace "Christianity" with "Islam". There are certainly many people here -- people on your end of the political spectrum -- who openly and entusiastically demonstrate religious hatred towards Muslims.

As for myself, I have no problem with Christians, including fundamentalists, as long as they are sincere and as long as they keep their beliefs to themselves. I have major problems with the hypocrites and the zealots who are determined to impose their beliefs on everyone else. Unfortunately, these are the very "Christians" who tend to be most visible and vocal, power- and money-hungry crooks who use religion as a smoke screen to mask their malfeasance.

I'm a bit disappointed that none of the people who lashed out against Christian religious stereotyping jumped up to denounce the rampant hateful stereotyping of Muslims.



But I'm not a bit surprised. Hypocrites.

Ofcourse there would have to be rampant hatred spewed towards the Muslim religion here.

Huh? If you have a point, it was lost in that muddled sentence. Sorry.

That doesn't seem to be the case as some people(like infosquawk) lump everyone together and others specifically note what type of person they are talking about( ie. radical muslim, or jihadist, etc). I myself am disgusted by any hate spew directed to a general religious group..

So does that include the hateful stereotyping of Muslims or not? If so, grow a backbone and say so directly instead of obfuscating with generalities.

So while you whine about an almost non-existent problem, the rest of us can discuss what actually IS going on here...

CsG

Bite me you sanctimonious twit. Are you really trying to claim that hateful stereotyping of Muslims is "almost non-existent"? If so, you've raised cognitive dissonance to a whole new level.

Wow, talk about someone purposely trying to miss everything posted...

The context is HERE. This forum. Where exactly is this "the rampant hateful stereotyping of Muslims." HERE in this forum?

Ofcourse it includes it -what part of "I myself am disgusted by any hate spew directed to a general religious group.." did you not understand?

Ah yes, here's the bow we all know... Yes you "twit" - I'm saying that hate-spew against the Muslim religion is almost non-existent HERE.

Understand yet? or do I need to increase my font size for you to understand? Smaller/shorter words?

CsG

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Wow, talk about someone purposely trying to miss everything posted...

The context is HERE. This forum. Where exactly is this "the rampant hateful stereotyping of Muslims." HERE in this forum?

Ofcourse it includes it -what part of "I myself am disgusted by any hate spew directed to a general religious group.." did you not understand?

Ah yes, here's the bow we all know... Yes you "twit" - I'm saying that hate-spew against the Muslim religion is almost non-existent HERE.

Understand yet? or do I need to increase my font size for you to understand? Smaller/shorter words?

CsG

Yep, I understand just fine. You've moved beyond denial to full-blown delusional. Get well soon.



(BTW, there is no such word as "ofcourse". Just thought you might want to know that since you use it so often.)

 

[Gigantopithecus]

@ the OP:
Religious beliefs are not above criticism. Period. Next...

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Wow, talk about someone purposely trying to miss everything posted...

The context is HERE. This forum. Where exactly is this "the rampant hateful stereotyping of Muslims." HERE in this forum?

Ofcourse it includes it -what part of "I myself am disgusted by any hate spew directed to a general religious group.." did you not understand?

Ah yes, here's the bow we all know... Yes you "twit" - I'm saying that hate-spew against the Muslim religion is almost non-existent HERE.

Understand yet? or do I need to increase my font size for you to understand? Smaller/shorter words?

CsG

Yep, I understand just fine. You've moved beyond denial to full-blown delusional. Get well soon.



(BTW, there is no such word as "ofcourse". Just thought you might want to know that since you use it so often.)

Please show me where this "rampant hateful stereotyping of Muslims." in this forum.

tick tock tick tock tick tock...

CsG

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Wow, talk about someone purposely trying to miss everything posted...

The context is HERE. This forum. Where exactly is this "the rampant hateful stereotyping of Muslims." HERE in this forum?

Ofcourse it includes it -what part of "I myself am disgusted by any hate spew directed to a general religious group.." did you not understand?

Ah yes, here's the bow we all know... Yes you "twit" - I'm saying that hate-spew against the Muslim religion is almost non-existent HERE.

Understand yet? or do I need to increase my font size for you to understand? Smaller/shorter words?

CsG

Yep, I understand just fine. You've moved beyond denial to full-blown delusional. Get well soon.



(BTW, there is no such word as "ofcourse". Just thought you might want to know that since you use it so often.)

Please show me where this "rampant hateful stereotyping of Muslims." in this forum.

tick tock tick tock tick tock...

CsG

Well

CADsortaGUY... That sounds pretty muslim to me..

Did you just set up the bomb? It's ticking! Ahh!!!

 

[nutxo]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Wow, talk about someone purposely trying to miss everything posted...

The context is HERE. This forum. Where exactly is this "the rampant hateful stereotyping of Muslims." HERE in this forum?

Ofcourse it includes it -what part of "I myself am disgusted by any hate spew directed to a general religious group.." did you not understand?

Ah yes, here's the bow we all know... Yes you "twit" - I'm saying that hate-spew against the Muslim religion is almost non-existent HERE.

Understand yet? or do I need to increase my font size for you to understand? Smaller/shorter words?

CsG

Yep, I understand just fine. You've moved beyond denial to full-blown delusional. Get well soon.



(BTW, there is no such word as "ofcourse". Just thought you might want to know that since you use it so often.)

Please show me where this "rampant hateful stereotyping of Muslims." in this forum.

tick tock tick tock tick tock...

CsG

Im pretty sure that anyone that had anything hateful to say about muslims was banned or warned about it long ago.

 

[Steeplerot]

I have to agree the rabid dittoheads in here have chilled with the islamofascist crap, finally.

 

[AntiEverything]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: AntiEverything
Hell John Kerry is Catholic. Apparently most people here would be quite happy to have the Vatican running the country.

Oh wait, that must be different somehow...

The 1950's called. They want their bigotry back.

What are you talking about Stinkfinger? Lefties around here believe that anybody who believes in God or practices a religion is a fool and inherently evil. Somehow that didn't stop the Democrats from running one of those evil religious men for president.

 

[Duckzilla]

<G>, another thread where I could spout about man needing to believing in his own potential for goodness without the need for a superbeing. Of course, that would mean accepting death for what it really is.

But I won't.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Wow, talk about someone purposely trying to miss everything posted...

The context is HERE. This forum. Where exactly is this "the rampant hateful stereotyping of Muslims." HERE in this forum?

Ofcourse it includes it -what part of "I myself am disgusted by any hate spew directed to a general religious group.." did you not understand?

Ah yes, here's the bow we all know... Yes you "twit" - I'm saying that hate-spew against the Muslim religion is almost non-existent HERE.

Understand yet? or do I need to increase my font size for you to understand? Smaller/shorter words?

CsG

Yep, I understand just fine. You've moved beyond denial to full-blown delusional. Get well soon.



(BTW, there is no such word as "ofcourse". Just thought you might want to know that since you use it so often.)

Please show me where this "rampant hateful stereotyping of Muslims." in this forum.

tick tock tick tock tick tock...

CsG

Im pretty sure that anyone that had anything hateful to say about muslims was banned or warned about it long ago.

Exactly. But yet hate-spew towards other religions is somehow acceptable here. Whodda thunk it...

CsG

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
I have to agree the rabid dittoheads in here have chilled with the islamofascist crap, finally.

So you don't agree with Bowfinger?

CsG