Please lets not continue to flame ATI

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I understand many people are frustrated about the late launches and apparent substandard performance, but we need to realize that Competition drives advances and in the end, give the consumer better products at lower prices.

So while we have a right to be pissed off at a company that makes video cards because they didn't deliver on time and we weren't able to spend our money, we should instead be encouraging and not constantly saying ATI is sucking just because this one generation, they have been late on getting the products out.

Of course, the best thing you can do to "stick to ATI" is just buy the Nvidia product, and be happy about it. I don't see why some people have already done so and try so hard to continue putting down ATI (Um... Rollo).

My point is, Nvidia cards would probably suck like balls if ATI wasn't around. Some people here act like ATI are from Hell (canada? lol) and need to die for their sins or somethin...
 

almach1

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what i'm getting tired of seeing is labels on vide games, like "built for ati" or built for nvidia". what the hell!!!! buy one video card for these games and buy another for these other games. screw that. Nvidia is getting carried away with that stuff. If they start doing that for all games, ati will be left in the dust and we all suffer like calamity says. competition is good. DO NOT hope for the demise of ati.
 

M0RPH

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Well said. If you want to bash anything, bash the fact that both companies are working to raise the price for high-end hardware every generation so they can squeeze every last penny out of us.
 

fierydemise

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Calamity this thread whether intended or not is nothing more then flame bait.
You'll get the ATI fans agreeing with you and the nV fans telling you to STFU.
This thread is going no where, let it die.
/thread

EDIT: Toned down the negativity
 

Topweasel

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Originally posted by: M0RPH
Well said. If you want to bash anything, bash the fact that both companies are working to raise the price for high-end hardware every generation so they can squeeze every last penny out of us.

No the times of having 3 choices form each manufacturer is over. Now ATI and Nvidia are making cards to cover just about every price point. If you want a card from ATI for $179 you can get This or if you want a card from Nvidia for $179 you can get this.

On the other hand if oyu want an ATI card for 180 you can get this or Nvidia this

This lets them make and release cards at times they normally wouldn't on the high end the 512MB GTX is a perfect example.

I was actually surprised that worked though. :)
 

Gstanfor

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ATi, their employees, their card manufacturers and their supporters trash talked nVidia, now it's their turn to feel the heat.

What goes around comes around, and he who casts the first stone has no right to whine about his current treatment!
 
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Originally posted by: fierydemise
Calamity how do feel about creating a blatent troll thread?
Nothing to see here people just a blatant ATI Troll
/thread

How exactly does a thread asking people not to bash a company constitute trolling...? :confused:
 

jim1976

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Originally posted by: Rage187
Canada does suck.

:disgust:

The attitude of some nVidiots is way beyond limits...

First it was late launch by ATI. We all agree to that this was a bad point for ATI.
Then it was availability. Now that ATI seems that it's doing ok in this sector nobody mentions that as a valid point for them.
Then it was the dual slot cooling solution and the MSRP and street prices of XT. Everyone was saying that XT is not worth it even if it has a much better DX9 performance than GTX.
Now that Nvidia is ready for a dynamic kick ass refresh of GTX everyone suddendly is overwhelmed by the expected performance lead of GTX. Now they don't care for dual slot solutions or MSRP price. Because now Nvidia seems to be on the top again.

Don't get me wrong.. I think Nvidia this time played the marketing and availability game great and they seem to have won this round fair and square. No doubt about that.
I myself could not justify the wait for an XT and proceeded with the purchase of a GTX.

But I'm reffering to all of you Nvidiots.. Get your facts straight... :disgust:

 
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Originally posted by: CalamitySymphony
I understand many people are frustrated about the late launches and apparent substandard performance, but we need to realize that Competition drives advances and in the end, give the consumer better products at lower prices.

So while we have a right to be pissed off at a company that makes video cards because they didn't deliver on time and we weren't able to spend our money, we should instead be encouraging and not constantly saying ATI is sucking just because this one generation, they have been late on getting the products out.

Of course, the best thing you can do to "stick to ATI" is just buy the Nvidia product, and be happy about it. I don't see why some people have already done so and try so hard to continue putting down ATI (Um... Rollo).

My point is, Nvidia cards would probably suck like balls if ATI wasn't around. Some people here act like ATI are from Hell (canada? lol) and need to die for their sins or somethin...

captain obvious FTW!
 

fierydemise

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Originally posted by: SynthDude2001
Originally posted by: fierydemise
Calamity how do feel about creating a blatent troll thread?
Nothing to see here people just a blatant ATI Troll
/thread

How exactly does a thread asking people not to bash a company constitute trolling...? :confused:

If the OP wasn't meaning this thread to be flame bait I'm sorry but this thread is flame bait and really didn't need to be posted (at least not as its own seperate thread).
 

Munky

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For every person who hates Ati, there's another one who equally hates Nv. Maybe the nvidiots are on a roll right now, but I'm sure there was plenty of nvidia bashing during the nv30 days, although I dont think Ati is in such a bad position now as nvidia was back then. It's just that with the release of the 512gtx and all the hype surrounding it, it's easy to get carried away. Then if next month Ati releases an XT PE, the same people will start whining how it's overpriced, short supply, draws a lot of power, doesnt kill the gtx in every benchmark by 200%, and doesnt walk your dog for you.

Every company has it's ups and downs, and while the r520 is too little too late, that's just one generation of cards, and even now I dont think it's performing at its full potential. The r580 should be released on schedule, and then we'll be doing this all over again, while the current latest and greatest cards wil lstart to look like dinosaurs that cost $600+ just months ago.
 

jim1976

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Originally posted by: munky
For every person who hates Ati, there's another one who equally hates Nv. Maybe the nvidiots are on a roll right now, but I'm sure there was plenty of nvidia bashing during the nv30 days, although I dont think Ati is in such a bad position now as nvidia was back then. It's just that with the release of the 512gtx and all the hype surrounding it, it's easy to get carried away. Then if next month Ati releases an XT PE, the same people will start whining how it's overpriced, short supply, draws a lot of power, doesnt kill the gtx in every benchmark by 200%, and doesnt walk your dog for you.

Every company has it's ups and downs, and while the r520 is too little too late, that's just one generation of cards, and even now I dont think it's performing at its full potential. The r580 should be released on schedule, and then we'll be doing this all over again, while the current latest and greatest cards wil lstart to look like dinosaurs that cost $600+ just months ago.


QFT Munky. I should have reffered in general and mentioned fanatics too... It's just that I see much more Nvidiots this period :p
 

Genx87

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Bah we had to listent the ATI folks for nearly a year yapping their mouth about the NV30. So lets talk about ATI now ;)
 

Phantronius

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Well, its twice in a row Nvidia has caught ATi with their pants down, so the excuses are getting old aready.
 

Matt2

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Originally posted by: jim1976
Originally posted by: munky
For every person who hates Ati, there's another one who equally hates Nv. Maybe the nvidiots are on a roll right now, but I'm sure there was plenty of nvidia bashing during the nv30 days, although I dont think Ati is in such a bad position now as nvidia was back then. It's just that with the release of the 512gtx and all the hype surrounding it, it's easy to get carried away. Then if next month Ati releases an XT PE, the same people will start whining how it's overpriced, short supply, draws a lot of power, doesnt kill the gtx in every benchmark by 200%, and doesnt walk your dog for you.

Every company has it's ups and downs, and while the r520 is too little too late, that's just one generation of cards, and even now I dont think it's performing at its full potential. The r580 should be released on schedule, and then we'll be doing this all over again, while the current latest and greatest cards wil lstart to look like dinosaurs that cost $600+ just months ago.


QFT Munky. I should have reffered in general and mentioned fanatics too... It's just that I see much more Nvidiots this period :p

More Nvidiots because Nvidia struck back hard for the spanking ATI gave them during NV30. Now fanATIcs are quieter. It will always be like this.
 

fishbits

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Please lets not continue to flame ATI
If this is what you truly want, you're going to have to address both sides of the equation. The other side would be the ATI fanbois who have for some reason chosen to be total choads over the past six months or so regarding the upcoming (now current) generation of cards. They did a lot of slamming on a fine round of Nvidia products based on rumors of hints of speculation of leaks that ATI would have "a 73 pipe card clocked at eleventy-thousand GHz that would be out next week and wh00px0rz that Nvidia azz lol. Oh and it'll cost just $120 bucks." Of course it was impossible for them to say "Gee, you know this release from Nvidia was a really good performer, or price-to-performance card. We'll have to see what ATI brings to the table."

Sorry man, it's totally human nature that when someone proves himself to be an idiotic and hostile fool who can't even get the facts straight, that folks will want to rub their noses in it. The time to best stop this would have been months ago, when you could have (don't know if you did) told the idjits to stop talking smack about cards that didn't even exist at the time.

Nvidia has parallel idiot fans too, not trying to say otherwise. But if you're just now trying to head off the flame wars, you're a little late to the game since the ATI boys had been begging for them for ages, and this time got caught with their pants down and are getting their little bottoms spanked. If you don't want to see the fighting going on (I don't) then you should have stepped in when these monkeys were in the process of picking one (I did). Any time you see a tool crowing about hardware that hasn't even been released, priced or independently benchmarked, smack them down then and there. If you want your forum/community to remain relatively flame-free that is.
 

M0RPH

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Originally posted by: fishbits
Any time you see a tool crowing about hardware that hasn't even been released, priced or independently benchmarked, smack them down then and there.

Sounds a lot like the 7800GTX 52MB to me. I wholeheartedly agree and I think you've got a lot of smackin down to do in this forum, so get to work.
 

Dainas

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I don't see why Canada has to be involved.... common sense has worn thin in every economic atmosphere (think General Motors, they've been striking foul for the last 20 years)

but seriously ATI is just going thru an inept stage, their entire PS.3 lineup lacks luster compaired to its price competitor (X1300pro, X1600pro, X1800XL, XT is out to court till prices are written in stone). But I'd have a hard time trying to think of any IT company (or any major corperation for that matter) that hasnt been in the doldrums... a period where nothing seems to work out. Nvidia as we know was in a similar situation, however besides the initial NV30s... it did manage to eek out some respectible models from the 5 series. I dont see why ATI could not do the same. Also its pretty well hinted that the R520 is the halfbake too keep market presence until the R580. It might take a year to remedy like the NV30>>NV40, but ATI (like nvidia during the NV30) is not a sickly company like some have hinted, It can easily survive it and come back swinging hard this summer or so on. The Eternal rivals will battle on for the forseable future.