appopin, this is where we differ. You think that a person is totaly free from responsibility even if they "push" it to other people because the other people said yes. I think that because some people push, then they share in the fault of increased drug use. They bear some responsibility by going beyond just asking. At what point is the "pushing" irresponsible to you? is it at the point of cajoling? or how about intimidation? how about physicaly pushing a needle into a person's arm? You think that some levels of pushing drugs to others is acceptable and should not bear responsibility. I think that anything beyond asking a yes/no question needs to bear proper responsibility for spreading drug use.
apoppin
Lifer
Don't tell me what I am thinking eia430. I called these people who overenthusiastically "push" drugs idiots. That's pretty strong. And I did not leave them without any responsibility.
However, I said the people who easily give in are BIGGER idiots. Perhaps they were just looking for an excuse to give in. Most of the responsibility lies with them.
EDIT: If you take your viewpoint to an extreme, even "asking 'yes' or 'no'" is not without some share of responsibility. An "offer" is an offer - some really weak people will give in.
However, I said the people who easily give in are BIGGER idiots. Perhaps they were just looking for an excuse to give in. Most of the responsibility lies with them.
EDIT: If you take your viewpoint to an extreme, even "asking 'yes' or 'no'" is not without some share of responsibility. An "offer" is an offer - some really weak people will give in.
eia430, did we mention that you are a moron?
you don't have to attack everyone that makes a point. the gov't and other associations have fed bullsh*t about weed to the american public for many, many years. i suggest many people on this board actually research something before posting, rather than coming off as idiots.
you don't have to attack everyone that makes a point. the gov't and other associations have fed bullsh*t about weed to the american public for many, many years. i suggest many people on this board actually research something before posting, rather than coming off as idiots.
I too have a friend that's into weed... I just layed it down; "I don't care if you do it, just don't do it around me."
It's that simple. He respects my opinion, I respect his. Until it (or if) modulates to more than that I don't have a real problem with it. I like the occational buzz from alchol, but weed isn't my thing mainly from the smell of it. Different people, different opinions. Pot's not going away anytime soon. I would even be for legalizing it; at least the people that do it can pay a percentage of my income taxes the state takes from my check
. Also it will take the "underground" nature out of the drug, which will take away some of it's "no, no..." apperaence out of it. Look at European countries, you dont see everyone running around drunk because they "can" do it. You see teens driving and killing people from college parties (happen to a couple of my school buddies a couple months ago) because it's "cool" (= illegal) to do it.
Responsability and practacality is the keys (if i could spell).
If people can do it responsably and it can cut some taxes for the non-users (and users) I don't really care...
Just my 2 cents...
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It's that simple. He respects my opinion, I respect his. Until it (or if) modulates to more than that I don't have a real problem with it. I like the occational buzz from alchol, but weed isn't my thing mainly from the smell of it. Different people, different opinions. Pot's not going away anytime soon. I would even be for legalizing it; at least the people that do it can pay a percentage of my income taxes the state takes from my check
. Also it will take the "underground" nature out of the drug, which will take away some of it's "no, no..." apperaence out of it. Look at European countries, you dont see everyone running around drunk because they "can" do it. You see teens driving and killing people from college parties (happen to a couple of my school buddies a couple months ago) because it's "cool" (= illegal) to do it.Responsability and practacality is the keys (if i could spell
).If people can do it responsably and it can cut some taxes for the non-users (and users) I don't really care...
Just my 2 cents...
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nicene, you said..
"eia430, did we mention that you are a moron? you don't have to attack everyone that makes a point. the gov't and other associations have fed bullsh*t about weed to the american public for many, many years. i suggest many people on this board actually research something before posting, rather than coming off as idiots."
Coming from you this has struck me deep to my core, I am a broken man. I had no idea that such terrible anguish could come from such a short post. Your wisdom and x-ray vision has pierced the veil of fog that the government has put over my eyes. I see the light now, it's all so clear to me. Your post was so well supported with evidence that I cannot even begin to challenge the validity and authinticity of the fact that you are a total twit. You can't even form a cohesive thought in your drug addled brain can you? "i suggest many people on this board actualy reasearch something before posting, rather than coming off as idiots." What the hell was that? Try using english. Wait till you come down off your high before replying, you might make sense then. What an idiot.
"eia430, did we mention that you are a moron? you don't have to attack everyone that makes a point. the gov't and other associations have fed bullsh*t about weed to the american public for many, many years. i suggest many people on this board actually research something before posting, rather than coming off as idiots."
Coming from you this has struck me deep to my core, I am a broken man. I had no idea that such terrible anguish could come from such a short post. Your wisdom and x-ray vision has pierced the veil of fog that the government has put over my eyes. I see the light now, it's all so clear to me. Your post was so well supported with evidence that I cannot even begin to challenge the validity and authinticity of the fact that you are a total twit. You can't even form a cohesive thought in your drug addled brain can you? "i suggest many people on this board actualy reasearch something before posting, rather than coming off as idiots." What the hell was that? Try using english. Wait till you come down off your high before replying, you might make sense then. What an idiot.
appopin, so where is the disagreement here? I've never said that it was not her fault that she bears no responsibility. Point out to me on which post I have said otherwise? You are jumping on my case for something that does not exist. What I was doing in this thread was counter acting the posts that said things like "just smoke with him" and "pot is not a gateway drug" among others. I saw quite a few people stand up and say what amounted to (pot is not big deal) and nobody on the other side countered it. If nobody promoted pot use I would have not said anything. If others stood up and discouraged drug use to counter act those that encouraged it I would not have said anything. But as it stood I had to speak my peace for the other side. It's amazing how the guy trying to make a difference becomes the bad guy and a bunch of potheads take turns taking pot-shots (pun intended) and try to convince people that somehow saying pot is a bad thing is some great sin. HELLO PEOPLE WAKE UP POT USE IS NOT A GOOD THING. Decide on which side you guys are on? not on this thread but in life. Are you going to be part of the solution or part of the problem?
If some of you are saying pot is a gateway drug. How many of you or your parents smoked weed in the 60's/70's? Are they all messed up heroin addicts now? I really don't want to get in this because I havn't smoked weed yet...I don't want to sound stupid like eia430.
I don't know if anyone will read this far down the list, but here goes.
I have a daughter (19 now) that from the age of 13..has done it all. It started with pot, and some bad peer pressure...and it was really bad from that point on. I put her in Teen Challenge, a mental hosp. for 9 months, a Christian Girls School for over a year, and outpatient out the kazzoo.
Now she is pregnant ...but she is also straight, and I see hope. She is going back to church, has a new sense of faith, and it would seem that what she has had poured into her over the years is finally taking hold. God is doing a good work.
The main thing is that I knew that one day she would wake up, and she has. What it really came down to was her making a good choice.
Neos
I have a daughter (19 now) that from the age of 13..has done it all. It started with pot, and some bad peer pressure...and it was really bad from that point on. I put her in Teen Challenge, a mental hosp. for 9 months, a Christian Girls School for over a year, and outpatient out the kazzoo.
Now she is pregnant ...but she is also straight, and I see hope. She is going back to church, has a new sense of faith, and it would seem that what she has had poured into her over the years is finally taking hold. God is doing a good work.
The main thing is that I knew that one day she would wake up, and she has. What it really came down to was her making a good choice.
Neos
I think the point that eia430 is trying to make is that ANY drug abuse is detrimental, and that everyone (at least the majority on this board) seems to condone drug use.
Think of it this way, if it's your son/daughter who's doing drugs (even the innocuous pot, as some of you claim), would you turn a blind eye and say, "yeah, that's just a phase..." ?
I think not.
EDIT: use --> abuse
Think of it this way, if it's your son/daughter who's doing drugs (even the innocuous pot, as some of you claim), would you turn a blind eye and say, "yeah, that's just a phase..." ?
I think not.
EDIT: use --> abuse
apoppin
Lifer
Don't start hendon. Not ALL drug use is detrimental.
Let's see, prescribed drugs have their place. Caffeine is accepted along with alcohol and nicotine. Even marijuana has it medical uses.
Drug use may lead to dependence and drup abuse - that IS detrimental.
As far as children go; their primary education lies with the parents. As they get older, they get to choose their course in life. If they are well educated they have a better chance of making better informed choices.
As to eia430, my only issue with you is that you seemed to be making excuses for your friend. Several of us noted that (reread your posts). She IS responsible for her (bad) choices; it's wonderful that she has a friend who is helping her.
Let's see, prescribed drugs have their place. Caffeine is accepted along with alcohol and nicotine. Even marijuana has it medical uses.
Drug use may lead to dependence and drup abuse - that IS detrimental.
As far as children go; their primary education lies with the parents. As they get older, they get to choose their course in life. If they are well educated they have a better chance of making better informed choices.
As to eia430, my only issue with you is that you seemed to be making excuses for your friend. Several of us noted that (reread your posts). She IS responsible for her (bad) choices; it's wonderful that she has a friend who is helping her.
Dudes, all I've seen so far on here are people that abuse drugs/alcohol like drunka$$ wife beaters or 'concerned parents' freaked out about some 'new thing' they learned about from biased news clips. I don't smoke myself but many of my friends do and they enjoy it but they have no problems at school or anything because they do it responsibly!!!! A couple of these guys are in the GIFTED program at my school! And I can attest to their intelligence too. One other one is becominga IT type guy, going for his Cisco certification. Oh yeah and one of the gifted guys has also dropped acid at least 2ice. Actually I would agree that weed is a gateway drug, duh, studies have been done and stuff. Lastly, alcohol is more dangerous that weed use but similarly is a goood thing when done responsibly/socially. I guess it depends on the person and their security with themselves. Frankly if you succumb to peer pressure it's just stupid on your part and, well, you're screwed.
As Eloquent as Always,
Chris
As Eloquent as Always,
Chris
{Setting: Blind guy has weed)
Cheif Wiggum: Book 'im boys.
Co-Cop Guy: Wait cheif, it could be for medical purposes!
Blind Guy: Uh, yeah...yeah, without it I could go even... blinder!
Cheif Wiggum: Book 'im boys.
Co-Cop Guy: Wait cheif, it could be for medical purposes!
Blind Guy: Uh, yeah...yeah, without it I could go even... blinder!
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