Paper bags are tearable. They're also terrible. Except for one I got from Safeway once. It was tough, with handles.
grocery store plastic bags are just as tearable..
Paper bags are tearable. They're also terrible. Except for one I got from Safeway once. It was tough, with handles.
We go shopping about once a week. When we go, we usually leave the store with about 10-15 plastic bags. With reusable bags, we'd need to figure out how many to bring to the store, carry them around while shopping, wash and store them at home, buy more every trip because I didn't bring enough etc .
Shopping more often, with less bags, would probably be worse just because it's an hour drive round trip. Are paper bags still allowed and are they actually a better environmental option?
I'm sure we'd find alternatives and adapt to the shopping bag problem. Probably start by ordering as much as possible online and have it delivered.
No plastic trash bags seems like it would be a much bigger problem. Without trash bags/trash can liners, kitchen trash cans get unsanitary in a hurry. Do you wash your trash cans every time you take out the trash? How do you avoid smelly, maggot infested outdoor trash cans?
This^^^The rest of the developed world long ago figured this out....actually, it is a rare thing that grocery stores provide crappy plastic bags in other parts of the world. It's one of those uniquely preposterous American things, that, when you think about, makes no sense.
I'm sure you'll just as easily adapt as the rest of the world, and the Americans that pretty quickly have over the last couple of years. For all the worries that life throws at you, keeping some shopping bags in your car and in your house and day bag are....not really worries at all.
I interpreted the situation as trying to reduce single use bags, with an emphasis on plastic since it's the larger problem.
Hemp is a great alternative to regular paper.
If you haven't read it, check out "the emperor wears no clothes", it's a book about the many uses of hemp or MJ, aka both are cannabis.
Regardless of the recyclable used, it's gotta get recycled if possible, not sent to the landfill.
Paper bags are tearable. They're also terrible. Except for one I got from Safeway once. It was tough, with handles.
Sure, I'm good with hemp. I'm OK with the MJ too but banning hemp is beyond unforgivable.
That said, why do single use paper bags need to be banned?
Here's a few things to consider (applies to paper in general)
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/what-is-the-environmental-impact-of-paper.html
The rest of the developed world long ago figured this out....actually, it is a rare thing that grocery stores provide crappy plastic bags in other parts of the world. It's one of those uniquely preposterous American things, that, when you think about, makes no sense.
I'm sure you'll just as easily adapt as the rest of the world, and the Americans that pretty quickly have over the last couple of years. For all the worries that life throws at you, keeping some shopping bags in your car and in your house and day bag are....not really worries at all.
Well you could reuse those plastic bags for small office trash can liners.Yeah, I'm in Alabama; we're a little behind the rest of the developed world in some ways.
I just got back from Walmart with 23 plastic bags and with a little more insight. The checkout has a carousel with plastic bags to make it convenient for the cashier to ring up and bag at the same time. When I asked her about reusable bags, she said, if you're going to use those, please use the self checkout or just go to Publix. Her major concerns were how much it slows down the checkout process and how nasty the reusable bags are. Still, I'm committed now and we'll make it work, even if it means going to another store.
Now, to find some good hemp bags and figure how many it'll take to hold as much as 23 plastic bags.
Well you could reuse those plastic bags for small office trash can liners.
Well the large and strong plastic bags I get from Ruler Foods are very reusable, so I take them with me when I go grocery shopping there.We do find a lot ways like that to reuse them but quite a few still go straight to the trash. If I can do something to reduce the amount I send to the trash, I'm on board.
Here's a few things to consider (applies to paper in general)
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/what-is-the-environmental-impact-of-paper.html
I'm wondering if in the future we will have start rationing our limited resources to ensure enough of them for everyone? This will include Reduce, Reuse, and Recycling among other things.Paper use risen by 400%, for real? But... electronic communication has come into existence and rapidly matured and gone mainstream. !@# people who still send out mail.
BTW, with limited resources, does P&N still defend population increase? Should we supply the plastic and paper demands of another 150 million additional Americans in 30 years?
Paper use risen by 400%, for real? But... electronic communication has come into existence and rapidly matured and gone mainstream. !@# people who still send out mail.
Not really. They s.t..r...e....t.....c......h before they tear.grocery store plastic bags are just as tearable..
If the handles are cutouts I don't trust them. Paper or plastic! The Safeway bag I got had handles glued on. I prefer carrying a bag by its handles.Hah! I was just thinking I like the paper ones because they are bigger and less tearable. Except the handles. I don't trust the handles at all.
If there's an intrinsic limitation the market will raise the price of the resources.I'm wondering if in the future we will have start rationing our limited resources to ensure enough of them for everyone? This will include Reduce, Reuse, and Recycling among other things.
Not really. They s.t..r...e....t.....c......h before they tear.
^^^^^ YepGo grocery shopping. Place things in cart.
Pay for stuff.
Skip bags all together.
Put stuff right back into cart.
Pull cart up to car. Toss items in trunk or get all fancy an toss in to a collapsible car bin.
If need arises. Use reusable bag.
Is this an issue of people so dense that they can't figure out how to adapt?
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/28/nyregion/plastic-bag-ban-.html
So I guess my post will sound more of a rant, but there's just no way to sugar coat it. I used to think democrats were ok, but more and more I am starting to see that this is not the case.
Please, someone tell me this. How are people supposed to live without plastic bags? I come from Soviet Union and I know what it's like to live without many of the conveniences people have in United States. (Let me give you a hint... *It's not very convenient*)
You know what we used to do in good ol' USSR? We used to carry our garbage in metal/plastic buckets outside and throw it out, all by ourselves. That's right! Down the elevator we would travel, from whatever floor we lived on, then a 10 minute walk outside to the garbage containers, and then empty those buckets, walk all the way back, and up the elevator back home. Any weather, rain or snow. Oh, and then we had to wash said buckets, otherwise they would stink like crazy. In America, we have something called "FREE plastic bags" which we use to line our garbage cans, which makes it easy and convenient to toss our garbage down the garbage compactor available in every apartment building. That's what civilized people do.
Now the dems would have us, PAY for paper bags, or live like good Soviet citizens.
And then, the groceries... Myself and my comarades back in the early 90's used to carry our groceries in these "net baggies". Literally, it's a bag, made out of a net. If it tore, you had to patch it up, or buy a new one. The dems would have me go back to that here in US. Nice!
Look. I get it. Environmental impact and all that. But then, go after those who litter. Catch these people. Fine them like crazy for littering! Arrest them if you have to. Even jail them for all I care. But it's not the bags that's the problem. It's the people who use them. I NEVER, even once in my life threw out a bag in the street, and certainly not in the ocean or at the beach.
It seems like the longer Governor Cuomo is in power, the worse life gets for New Yorkers. There's just no end in sight to this madness. Whats next? Are we going to have to give up plastic bottles because it's not "environmentally friendly"? And then what? Watch TV less because we are wasting power?
Really, you survived USSR, but now you are having a meltdown because you'll have to buy plastic bags instead of the store giving them to you?
There are at least as many environmental costs for one-use paper bags as well, by the way.
Too bad, maybe you can't afford to live in NY then.YES, I am. I have enough expenses already.
