Plasma TV's are dying

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: M0oG0oGaiPan
Cause people are cheap? Wired actually had a pretty article about this last month.

http://www.wired.com/gadgets/m...ne/17-09/ff_goodenough

Very interesting article, thanks. It's really pretty obvious though if a person just sat down and thought about it. The same thing applies to every human endeavor. For everything a person does the ultimate objective would be perfection. However at some point in the march toward perfection the cost of taking the next step becomes greater than the benefit derived. That point is where something is "good enough."

funny thing is prior to LCD/Plasmas, very very few shopped anything but size/cost.

well that worked because with CRTs, the only differences would really be color accuracy and saturation - the technology was mature to that point that most sets had just about the same contrast. Pay more and you would get better accuracy, gamut, and correct saturation, but contrast didn't change much. Yes there were differences, but not to the extremes of the sets available today.

Today, no technology has yet to come close to CRT in terms of contrast capability. The nature of the technology behind the panels.

That is why I was ecstatic over the whole SED hype, because it was like a super CRT that was also a flat panel. Having that kind of insane contrast (millions:1) would just be spectacular. Black crush, huh? Sadly I have no idea what the hell happened to that. R&D must have been way too costly to continue at this moment. They better revive that R&D when it becomes more viable. I want CRT-level contrast in a large HD panel that rivals Plasma's color fidelity. That would be the godly panel type.

actually at higher price points there were VAST differences in CRT's....no one was willing to spend it. One big one was shadow detail.

Many today overspend so they can display their penis on the wall.

I still get a chuckle at the wannabes that took out home equity to finance $10k+ plasmas when they hit the local big boxes.

 

[imported_Imp]

I'm about to blow a paycheck on my first HDTV, and it's probably going to be a plasma. I can get a 1080p 37" 60Hz for about $900 (Canada) or a 42" 720p plasma for $750. The difference from 720p to 1080p seems negligible (I can't tell from 3'), and I have low standards anyways, so what the hell. Get a cheaper, very good set to bide me over until OLEDs are bargain priced.

 

[ja1484]

The difference in color accuracy and PQ between my 50" Samsung plasma and my buddy's 52" Sony LCD are noticeable.

That said, either one is "good enough". I would've been satisfied with either for the money we each paid for our respective setups.

 

[JackBurton]

Well with the death of Pioneer the era of a no compromise TV is pretty much gone. Now the decisions become harder. But as it stands now, if I couldn't have a Pioneer, I'd choose a Samsung 8 series plasma or Panasonic V or Z series (although the Z series looks grossly overpriced). I definitely prefer plasma, but the Samsung 8500 LCD looks very promising. We'll have to wait and see though. But either way, both techs will most likely be replaced by OLED in the future.


And for "people" rooting for LCDs, here's something to think about. In 2010 the king of HDTVs will still be a 2008 model plasma. But hey, maybe in 2011 or 2012 an LCD may finally be able to outperform a 3+ year plasma.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Well with the death of Pioneer the era of a no compromise TV is pretty much gone. Now the decisions become harder. But as it stands now, if I couldn't have a Pioneer, I'd choose a Samsung 8 series plasma or Panasonic V or Z series (although the Z series looks grossly overpriced). I definitely prefer plasma, but the Samsung 8500 LCD looks very promising. We'll have to wait and see though. But either way, both techs will most likely be replaced by OLED in the future.


And for "people" rooting for LCDs, here's something to think about. In 2010 the king of HDTVs will still be a 2008 model plasma. But hey, maybe in 2011 or 2012 an LCD may finally be able to outperform a 3+ year plasma.

I get similar reactions when folks see my displays. Their jaws drop - WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT!!! That's my plasma displays, the LCDs are in the bedroom and bathrooms, there's a reason they got put there.

Unless you've owned both, you have no dog in this fight. Want quality display? You won't be getting an LCD. First hand experience rules defenders of their purchase.

 

[sjwaste]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Well with the death of Pioneer the era of a no compromise TV is pretty much gone. Now the decisions become harder. But as it stands now, if I couldn't have a Pioneer, I'd choose a Samsung 8 series plasma or Panasonic V or Z series (although the Z series looks grossly overpriced). I definitely prefer plasma, but the Samsung 8500 LCD looks very promising. We'll have to wait and see though. But either way, both techs will most likely be replaced by OLED in the future.


And for "people" rooting for LCDs, here's something to think about. In 2010 the king of HDTVs will still be a 2008 model plasma. But hey, maybe in 2011 or 2012 an LCD may finally be able to outperform a 3+ year plasma.

I get similar reactions when folks see my displays. Their jaws drop - WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT!!! That's my plasma displays, the LCDs are in the bedroom and bathrooms, there's a reason they got put there.

Unless you've owned both, you have no dog in this fight. Want quality display? You won't be getting an LCD. First hand experience rules defenders of their purchase.

First, what happened to Pioneer, did they pull out of the market? Second, Samsung and Panasonic are using panels that are just as good, but the cabinets aren't as sexy.

I haven't owned both. I've owned plasma and only plasma, because in my first apt after college, my roommate bought an LCD. It was cool because it was flat and HD, but it was washed out. I did my research, bought a Panasonic plasma, and will never look back.

Remember folks, black levels and contrast are king. Nothing touches plasma on those fronts. I'd take any reasonable 720p plasma over a 1080p LCD, any brand/model LCD.

We have a very nice TV cabinet that my fiancee (rightfully) won't let go. It fits a 37" panel at most. I'm hoping to find a decent consumer level 37" plasma somewhere that will fit. Once upon a time, Panasonic made some, but they were industrial and expensive. Their consumer models now are only sold by places I haven't heard of.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: sjwaste

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Well with the death of Pioneer the era of a no compromise TV is pretty much gone. Now the decisions become harder. But as it stands now, if I couldn't have a Pioneer, I'd choose a Samsung 8 series plasma or Panasonic V or Z series (although the Z series looks grossly overpriced). I definitely prefer plasma, but the Samsung 8500 LCD looks very promising. We'll have to wait and see though. But either way, both techs will most likely be replaced by OLED in the future.


And for "people" rooting for LCDs, here's something to think about. In 2010 the king of HDTVs will still be a 2008 model plasma. But hey, maybe in 2011 or 2012 an LCD may finally be able to outperform a 3+ year plasma.

I get similar reactions when folks see my displays. Their jaws drop - WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT!!! That's my plasma displays, the LCDs are in the bedroom and bathrooms, there's a reason they got put there.

Unless you've owned both, you have no dog in this fight. Want quality display? You won't be getting an LCD. First hand experience rules defenders of their purchase.

First, what happened to Pioneer, did they pull out of the market? Second, Samsung and Panasonic are using panels that are just as good, but the cabinets aren't as sexy.

No they are not.

 

[rockyct]

I think we'll see the OLED market expand into new areas unrelated to the TV market because eventually the process of making them will be like an ink jet printer. Think: your entire ceiling being a panel of light with a fake low def sky picture on it or something like a Kindle that can roll up. However, that's 20 years away and I'd say a good 5 years where OLED TVs become relatively common but still much less than LCD and probably another 10 years after that before LCD is replaced almost completely by OLEDs. There are a lot of little OLED screens like in digital cameras and the new Zune HD, but it's way more than 3 years before an OLED tv sitting in your living room.

 

[coreyb]

plasma > lcd

 

[ChanHo78]

love my 54 inch Panasonic plasma!

 

[Bignate603]

Originally posted by: Drako

Originally posted by: Slick5150

Originally posted by: Chris

Originally posted by: Slick5150
What world do you live in where that statement is true?

I wouldn't say they're considerably more expensive than a comparable LCD, but they are RARELY cheaper, and never "1/2 the cost"

Samsung LN46B750 46-Inch 1080p LCD MSRPs for 2,229.99
Panasonic 46" G10 MSRPs for $1499.99

Not half but significantly cheaper and the Panasonic is a much, much better set.

The only difference would be the Pioneer Kuro line and we all know now how the business model of selling uber expensive sets to cork sniffers worked out for Pioneer.

Uhh. You're comparing the price of a set released in 2003 to one of Samsung's newest models (which sells for $1499 at a number of places, not $2,229 anyways). That's a great comparison!

Whether or not one is better than the other is irrelevent at that point. New models = higher prices while older models are discounted and/or discontinued.

LOL, the Panny G10 just came out in May/June of this year. : TC-P46G10

You can find them for as low as $1100.00

The Sammy is as low as $1500.00, as you noted.

Not quite a third less, but close.

I was about to post that. The G10 is getting rated by the HDTV reviewers as one of the best TVs out there right now, without even considering its midrange price tag.

 

[rbV5]

I notice quite a few Panny Plasma owners (such as myself) in the thread.

 

[kalrith]

Originally posted by: JackBurton
And for "people" rooting for LCDs, here's something to think about. In 2010 the king of HDTVs will still be a 2008 model plasma. But hey, maybe in 2011 or 2012 an LCD may finally be able to outperform a 3+ year plasma.

QFT

I don't know why people would root for losing a technology with superior picture quality to other remaining technologies (at least according to professional reviewers, but what do they know). I'm definitely glad to have a Pioneer plasma and will keep it as long as possible (probably until I get a dedicated HT room and can go FP).

Plasmas have overcome all the negatives that were once associated with them; however, many people still they that they'll get high electric bills, burn in, plasma cells leaking out in a few years, etc. That remaining stigma is one big reason for the demise of plasma.

I'm not sure if the other has been mentioned yet. Studies have shown that when comparing two displays side-by-side, the average person will choose the brighter display as being the better-looking of the two. It might be different now, but for years LCDs had a higher max brightness than plasmas. TVs in stores are in "torch" mode, which means blazingly bright settings in order to compete with each other and the bright lights of the big-box store. In any normal home, "torch" mode would be way too bright and would suffer from inaccurate colors, poor black levels, poor contrast ratio, etc. Anyone who knows about TVs knows this. However, the average Joe Schmoe who walks into Best Buy will compare a Pioneer Elite Plasma with an LCD and say, "Ooooooo...I want the super-bright one with the cartoonish colors on it. It looks dern purty!"

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
It isn't so much the cost as the lifespan . The problem has been the color blue. With the early tech, about 5 years ago, the predicted lifespan was around 1200 hours. The tech from earlier this year has that up to 20,000 hours with 38,000 hours predicted in the next 6 months. Epson is also bringing a new process online to print the displays in larger formats, currently they can do 40 inch screens but with a lot of failures, the epson process has a 2% failure rate vs 14% of the previous process. The high cost was due to waste.

Ahh the note about the Epson process must be what I remembered.

I think it could be quite interesting once OLED really takes off and becomes more integrated. I mean, I've seen digital billboards... and those could change pretty easily to OLED.