Yeah LCDs are more popular than Plasma just like Transformers 2 is more popular than The Seven Samurai.....guess which one is better.
I guess it is a little more complicated in this instance though. There are legitimate drawbacks to Plasma. Weight, heat, power consumption. None of those have anything to do with the beautiful picture though.
Aikouka
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To actually be on the topic of Plasmas. My mom has one (my brother and I bought it for her for Christmas about two years back) and it's just fine. The only negative gripe you could have about it (Samsung 42") is the one that I've seen other complain about... you can sometimes see that blacks have a bit of a green tinge to them.
I run a Vista-based PC on my Samsung 46" DLP and I have no qualms at all with picture quality. Although, I'm not sure what type of input you were using when you saw this... Samsung TVs usually have VGA inputs on them for computer input. That's actually the reason I bought that TV.
I really wanted to pick up a Samsung 61" LED DLP, but the tumultuous work situation around here made that a bad idea
. Now they're a little more difficult to find online. What was great is that the TV was rated well and only cost around $1500!
I think the last I heard about OLED is that it still isn't commercially viable because of the printing methods, although I may be recalling wrong. I believe I remember reading something in the past few months about a few breakthroughs in OLED printing though.
I don't know, I agree with the Cheap comment mostly. I don't recall even seeing any Plasma TVs at Wal-Mart and the only other places to buy TVs are incredibly overpriced (Sears, Radio Shack, etc since we lost CC and BB isn't open until Oct). But I do see quite a few people with Vizio TVs in their shopping carts because they're usually on sale. But frankly, if I were going to buy a HD TV, I wouldn't waste it on some small sub-40" TV....
Silly Outliernubis... we throw those out in Statistics.
Yup, DLP really can't lowball LCD or Plasma when it comes to smaller screens (it can easily compete), but the biggest benefit of projection is that the cost doesn't increase as high when you reach the 60"+ sizes. All you're really doing is enlarging the LED and mirror grid, possibly using a bigger processor (maybe, I don't know if the one in my 720p tv could handle a 1080p picture) and a larger color wheel as well as a larger "sheet o' plastic" to project onto.
I own a TV, but I honestly don't use it nearly as much as my PC monitors when it comes to watching things and that's when both viewing units have the capability of displaying anything (since both have PCs hooked up to them). It's really just the convenience factor.
Aren't LED LCDs really just better for blacks? If I'm remembering correctly, the point of them are to turn off portions of the backlight when that part of the screen is black so you don't have that "faded black" like you have with normal LCDs.
I run a Vista-based PC on my Samsung 46" DLP and I have no qualms at all with picture quality. Although, I'm not sure what type of input you were using when you saw this... Samsung TVs usually have VGA inputs on them for computer input. That's actually the reason I bought that TV.
I really wanted to pick up a Samsung 61" LED DLP, but the tumultuous work situation around here made that a bad idea
. Now they're a little more difficult to find online. What was great is that the TV was rated well and only cost around $1500!I think the last I heard about OLED is that it still isn't commercially viable because of the printing methods, although I may be recalling wrong. I believe I remember reading something in the past few months about a few breakthroughs in OLED printing though.
I don't know, I agree with the Cheap comment mostly. I don't recall even seeing any Plasma TVs at Wal-Mart and the only other places to buy TVs are incredibly overpriced (Sears, Radio Shack, etc since we lost CC and BB isn't open until Oct). But I do see quite a few people with Vizio TVs in their shopping carts because they're usually on sale. But frankly, if I were going to buy a HD TV, I wouldn't waste it on some small sub-40" TV....
Silly Outliernubis... we throw those out in Statistics
.Yup, DLP really can't lowball LCD or Plasma when it comes to smaller screens (it can easily compete), but the biggest benefit of projection is that the cost doesn't increase as high when you reach the 60"+ sizes. All you're really doing is enlarging the LED and mirror grid, possibly using a bigger processor (maybe, I don't know if the one in my 720p tv could handle a 1080p picture) and a larger color wheel as well as a larger "sheet o' plastic" to project onto
. Originally posted by: nerp
I don't even own a TV anymore.
I own a TV, but I honestly don't use it nearly as much as my PC monitors when it comes to watching things and that's when both viewing units have the capability of displaying anything (since both have PCs hooked up to them). It's really just the convenience factor.
Aren't LED LCDs really just better for blacks? If I'm remembering correctly, the point of them are to turn off portions of the backlight when that part of the screen is black so you don't have that "faded black" like you have with normal LCDs.
You guys are full of it. Plasma is not going anywhere soon. Plasmas are cheaper, have a better picture, and use a little more electrical power if any (some lcds use more).
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Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Ltd., best known for its Panasonic brand, and diversified chemical group Toray Industries, Inc. (Toray), have announced plans to build a new plasma display panel (PDP) manufacturing facility in Japan. It will be the fifth PDP plant of their joint venture, Matsushita PDP Company Ltd. (MPDP), enabling Panasonic to further step up its PDP production capacity, making it by far the largest PDP manufacturer in the world.
To leverage concentration of manufacturing facilities to its advantage, MPDP plans to build the new plant in Amagasaki, Japan near the existing fourth plant. The construction is scheduled to start in November 2007 and the first phase of the production in May 2009.
With an investment of approximately 280 billion yen, the fifth plant will have a monthly production capacity of one million units (calculated based on 42-inch panels)- the largest production capacity of PDP in the world. The investment efficiency of the new plant will be five times or greater than that of MPDP's first PDP plant. With its overwhelming production capacity and cost competitiveness, Panasonic will lead the world market of large-screen flat-panel displays.Panasonic forecasts that with the rapid increase of the demand for flat-panel TVs due to the global digitalization of TV broadcasts, 65% of the 200 million world aggregate demand for TVs will be for flat-panel TVs in 2010. Panasonic also forecasts that the demand for larger-screen TVs will increase rapidly with the expansion of contents with high picture quality and creation of smaller footprint flat-panel TVs, leading to over 30% of the world aggregate demand for TVs occupied by the 37-inch or larger flat-panel TVs in 2010. Further increase of the demand is expected in China and other BRICs countries where infrastructure for digital TV broadcasts will be developed, as well as in the biggest TV markets such as the U.S. and Europe
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Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Ltd., best known for its Panasonic brand, and diversified chemical group Toray Industries, Inc. (Toray), have announced plans to build a new plasma display panel (PDP) manufacturing facility in Japan. It will be the fifth PDP plant of their joint venture, Matsushita PDP Company Ltd. (MPDP), enabling Panasonic to further step up its PDP production capacity, making it by far the largest PDP manufacturer in the world.
To leverage concentration of manufacturing facilities to its advantage, MPDP plans to build the new plant in Amagasaki, Japan near the existing fourth plant. The construction is scheduled to start in November 2007 and the first phase of the production in May 2009.
With an investment of approximately 280 billion yen, the fifth plant will have a monthly production capacity of one million units (calculated based on 42-inch panels)- the largest production capacity of PDP in the world. The investment efficiency of the new plant will be five times or greater than that of MPDP's first PDP plant. With its overwhelming production capacity and cost competitiveness, Panasonic will lead the world market of large-screen flat-panel displays.Panasonic forecasts that with the rapid increase of the demand for flat-panel TVs due to the global digitalization of TV broadcasts, 65% of the 200 million world aggregate demand for TVs will be for flat-panel TVs in 2010. Panasonic also forecasts that the demand for larger-screen TVs will increase rapidly with the expansion of contents with high picture quality and creation of smaller footprint flat-panel TVs, leading to over 30% of the world aggregate demand for TVs occupied by the 37-inch or larger flat-panel TVs in 2010. Further increase of the demand is expected in China and other BRICs countries where infrastructure for digital TV broadcasts will be developed, as well as in the biggest TV markets such as the U.S. and Europe
coldmeat
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My plasma is a space heater in my room. It's a 42" Samsung that I bought last year. It was much cheaper than a similar sized LCD at the time. It was $849 and any decent 42" LCD cost at least $1000.
Also, wtf? Everybody knew that eventually plasma was going to die. Only an idiot would think it would stick around forever.
Also, wtf? Everybody knew that eventually plasma was going to die. Only an idiot would think it would stick around forever.
My first HDTV was/is a 42" Panasonic plasma. Most of everyone else I know has an LCD, mostly because they were cheaper. I personally will not buy an LCD because I just haven't seen one that comes anywhere near my plasma in picture quality. I don't care if it costs a bit more, it's worth it.
If popular always meant better, well, let's not start a list.
If popular always meant better, well, let's not start a list.
TheAdvocate
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I have a 42" 1080p LCD in a bright room and a 54" panasonic plasma in a darker room. I game on the LCD and watch movies/sports on the plasma. I enjoy them both quite a bit. The plasma is newer and has better overall PQ, but the LCD is still damn good looking.
I like them both. For different reasons.
I like them both. For different reasons.
Fingolfin269
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ultimatebob
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Funny that your username is MarinCounty...Aren't they trying to make new plasma TV's illegal in California?
DannyLove
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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: Aikouka
I like DLP TVs still... but no one really makes them anymore
I have a DLP. i love it. the viewing angle is fine. sure i have to replace the bulb every 6k hours. even at $120 a bulb replacing it 10 time i still come out ahead of buying a 65inch lcd.
I too have a DLP, and I'm in the category of complaining at this point. Its a Mitsubishi 734 model and after 2 years, the brightness of the tv is very dim and bland. It used to have high bright colors but it looks faded these days. Thankfully, I got the 3-year warranty which includes a free-bulb replacement, so I'll be fixing that issue
videogames101
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hanoverphist
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Originally posted by: DannyLove
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: Aikouka
I like DLP TVs still... but no one really makes them anymore
I have a DLP. i love it. the viewing angle is fine. sure i have to replace the bulb every 6k hours. even at $120 a bulb replacing it 10 time i still come out ahead of buying a 65inch lcd.
I too have a DLP, and I'm in the category of complaining at this point. Its a Mitsubishi 734 model and after 2 years, the brightness of the tv is very dim and bland. It used to have high bright colors but it looks faded these days. Thankfully, I got the 3-year warranty which includes a free-bulb replacement, so I'll be fixing that issue
id be interested to know if it was indeed the bulbs or a dust issue. or something else entirely. out of curiosity of course, i was noticing mine is dimmer sometimes as well.
Modelworks
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It isn't so much the cost as the lifespan . The problem has been the color blue. With the early tech, about 5 years ago, the predicted lifespan was around 1200 hours. The tech from earlier this year has that up to 20,000 hours with 38,000 hours predicted in the next 6 months. Epson is also bringing a new process online to print the displays in larger formats, currently they can do 40 inch screens but with a lot of failures, the epson process has a 2% failure rate vs 14% of the previous process. The high cost was due to waste.
Arkaign
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Funny that he posted an article from Jan '07. Matsushita has had to scale back due to a drop in demand resultant from the global recession and plummeting prices from competing products.
Whatever anyone says, Japanese labor cannot compete with Chinese or even Korean labor for pure cost effectiveness.
Quality has less to do with the relative success or failure of a product in today's global maarketplace. It's about sustainability and margins.
i've had a panasonic 42 inch 1080p plasma for just about 2 years now. its greattttttttttttt, so much sharp & crisp. i can watch football allllllll day (and i do) lol
not sure what i'll do on my next tv but not really worried, enjoying the one i got!
not sure what i'll do on my next tv but not really worried, enjoying the one i got!
LCD's still suffer from poor off-axis viewing angles and horrendous black levels. I'll take my plasma any day of the week over any LCD out there.
OLED is actually the future, as soon as they figure out how to mass produce them in sizes larger than 11". It suffers from none of LCD's inherent drawbacks and has lower power consumption to boot.
OLED is actually the future, as soon as they figure out how to mass produce them in sizes larger than 11". It suffers from none of LCD's inherent drawbacks and has lower power consumption to boot.
0roo0roo
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Originally posted by: hanoverphist
Originally posted by: DannyLove
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: Aikouka
I like DLP TVs still... but no one really makes them anymore
I have a DLP. i love it. the viewing angle is fine. sure i have to replace the bulb every 6k hours. even at $120 a bulb replacing it 10 time i still come out ahead of buying a 65inch lcd.
I too have a DLP, and I'm in the category of complaining at this point. Its a Mitsubishi 734 model and after 2 years, the brightness of the tv is very dim and bland. It used to have high bright colors but it looks faded these days. Thankfully, I got the 3-year warranty which includes a free-bulb replacement, so I'll be fixing that issue
id be interested to know if it was indeed the bulbs or a dust issue. or something else entirely. out of curiosity of course, i was noticing mine is dimmer sometimes as well.
i don't think leds bright enough to compete yet anyways. so i'm not sure at all about the claim of larger sizes from leds, last i read they were all dimmer.
BrokenVisage
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Bought a Samsung LCD 6 months ago, used it for two weeks, returned it and bought a Kuro. Worth every penny.
Fingolfin269
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You know there is only one gripe I have about Panny plasma relative to some of the others. WTF do they not have swivel stands? Even the V series ticked me off. Why include it in the 50" but not the 55"??
OLED is a sample and hold technology, which means it will have the same motion problems as LCD (blurring).
Adul
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