Pitt and Syracuse accepted to the ACC, UConn/Rutgers next?

[SP33Demon]

There goes the Big East for football. Now the only remaining question is if UConn and RU leave as well. And if the rumors swirling around WVU going to the SEC are true...

Gotta love when one of the founding members of a conference leaves for the bling. Even funnier is that the best football schools are now all formerly Big East! /RIP Big East

 

[rcpratt]

Syracuse was enough of a stretch football-wise, I seriously hope they don't go after UCONN or Rutgers. Rutgers has a pretty big market, though.

I don't know if it was entirely about the bling. It has become pretty apparent that not all of the conferences are going to survive (or at least survive at their existing quality). Jumping for one that now is guaranteed to be one of the super-conferences is something they almost had to do.

 

[Cuda1447]

Hrmm, wonder where my USF Bulls end up?

 

[Anubis]

can someone explain to me why schools have been jumping around lately

i don't follow college sports at all but it just strikes me as a big WTF

 

[Codewiz]

It is just confirmation that the ACC doesn't give a shit about football. I wish my Clemson Tigers could jump to the SEC but we bring nothing to the table when it comes to tv marketshare.

 

[rcpratt]

It is just confirmation that the ACC doesn't give a shit about football. I wish my Clemson Tigers could jump to the SEC but we bring nothing to the table when it comes to tv marketshare.

Not sure Clemson is really in the position to be complaining about that. Don't see them running all over the conference.

 

[Soccer55]

can someone explain to me why schools have been jumping around lately

i don't follow college sports at all but it just strikes me as a big WTF

It's about the money. Football generates more money than basketball. A conference cannot hold a conference championship game in football unless it has at least 12 members. The additional revenue generated by having a championship game in football is the main motivator for a lot of the conference expansion. This is the reason why the ACC originally expanded and the Big Ten/Pac-10 expanded recently. Unfortunately, that puts other conferences in jeopardy because the expanding conferences have to get their teams from somewhere.

-Tom

 

[ElFenix]

can someone explain to me why schools have been jumping around lately

i don't follow college sports at all but it just strikes me as a big WTF

texas a&m is run by a bunch of message board posters and so used the excuse of UT making money on the longhorn network ($15m a year) and potentially showing high school games to jump to the SEC. which also allows schools to have their own network. for example, florida sold its tier 3 rights jointly with florida state to a channel that also shows high school games. A&M was also claiming that the unequal revenue model of the Big XII was lame, even though they were one of the schools that originally proposed it back in the mid-1990s and voted against equal revenue whenever it came up. they were also a beneficiary of the model, getting $20 million a year from the Big XII while iowa state, TT, KU, KSU, MU, and baylor received ~$14 million. A&M also took a big bribe to stay in the conference last year from those schools (UT and OU publicly refused the money when offered). aggy had also been offered a share of the longhorn network back in the day but said no. their excuse now basically boils down to 'we didn't know it'd make a bunch of money.'

meanwhile, the ACC was worried about getting poached by the SEC for the SEc's 14th member (or potentially BIG for a couple members), and so has shored up the conference by raiding the Big East (again). not to mention the Big East has been the weakest of the six AQ conferences in football so a lot of people didn't think it'd survive when the so-called superconferences emerge (though it may be getting a new texas division now).

meanwhile, with the imminent collapse of the Big XII due to aggy's butt-hurtedness, OU started looking for a soft landing and it looks like they'll be going to the PAC just like was in the works last year (last year, UT, OU, OSU, Baylor, TT, and A&M were all offered an invite to the PAC, Colorado didn't want to get left holding the bag so jumped in line ahead of Baylor, Dan Beebe seemingly pulled off a miracle holding the conference together last year tho). with OU pulling out, the conference will collapse and it looks like UT will be taking texas tech with it to the PAC.

 

[rcpratt]

Kind of wish the B1G would go after OU/OSU. Not like they're much more of an academic stretch than Nebraska.

 

[lupi]

lulz at TCU getting into the soon to be defunct big east.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Syracuse was enough of a stretch football-wise, I seriously hope they don't go after UCONN or Rutgers. Rutgers has a pretty big market, though.

Of course they're going to go after UConn, that's the Big East's #1 basketball program now and they've been transformed into a very good football school too. They're a bigger prize than either Pitt or Syracuse. The ACC probably grabbed Pitt and 'Cuse just to convince UConn to jump quickly.

 

[rcpratt]

A few good seasons in a bad conference does not a very good football program make.

 

[sao123]

wonder where WVU will end up?

 

[SP33Demon]

wonder where WVU will end up?

Rumors have it that during the LSU@WVU game they will announce that WVU is going to the SEC. But who the hell knows...

 

[GotIssues]

texas a&m is run by a bunch of message board posters and so used the excuse of UT making money on the longhorn network ($15m a year) and potentially showing high school games to jump to the SEC. which also allows schools to have their own network. for example, florida sold its tier 3 rights jointly with florida state to a channel that also shows high school games. A&M was also claiming that the unequal revenue model of the Big XII was lame, even though they were one of the schools that originally proposed it back in the mid-1990s and voted against equal revenue whenever it came up. they were also a beneficiary of the model, getting $20 million a year from the Big XII while iowa state, TT, KU, KSU, MU, and baylor received ~$14 million. A&M also took a big bribe to stay in the conference last year from those schools (UT and OU publicly refused the money when offered). aggy had also been offered a share of the longhorn network back in the day but said no. their excuse now basically boils down to 'we didn't know it'd make a bunch of money.'

UT did approach aTm about starting a joint TV channel. They wanted to share costs 50/50…. but not revenue. UT wanted a greater portion of the revenue for doing the same work. So it was get bent over by a greedy UT program and potentially not make any money, or not roll the dice. To be perfectly frank, if ESPN wasn’t hedging their bets against UT going independent, they wouldn’t be getting $12M this year (it’s not $15/year, it’s 11.8x this year and escalates). The LHN isn’t profitable, and it’s quite possible it will never be. However, that burden now falls onto ESPN, not UT.
The Big XII is a room of powder kegs, and every school is an open flame. Last year, 9 out of the 12 schools openly expressed a desire to leave, 2 did. The only reason 3 DIDN’T express a desire is because no one wants them. Not only do you no longer have ANY trust among the schools, no school in their right mind that’s worth anything would ever join the BigXII because it could have imploded at any time (and currently is after only 1 year).
The BigXII’s culture is “look out for #1” which doesn’t lead to conference stability, and it’s imploding because of all the schools are doing exactly what the BigXII told them to do – look out for their own best interests, rest of the conference be damned.

meanwhile, the ACC was worried about getting poached by the SEC for the SEc's 14th member (or potentially BIG for a couple members), and so has shored up the conference by raiding the Big East (again). not to mention the Big East has been the weakest of the six AQ conferences in football so a lot of people didn't think it'd survive when the so-called superconferences emerge (though it may be getting a new texas division now).

How do you think TCU is feeling right about now?

meanwhile, with the imminent collapse of the Big XII due to aggy's butt-hurtedness, OU started looking for a soft landing and it looks like they'll be going to the PAC just like was in the works last year (last year, UT, OU, OSU, Baylor, TT, and A&M were all offered an invite to the PAC, Colorado didn't want to get left holding the bag so jumped in line ahead of Baylor, Dan Beebe seemingly pulled off a miracle holding the conference together last year tho). with OU pulling out, the conference will collapse and it looks like UT will be taking texas tech with it to the PAC.

You are obviously a UT fan, because no one but a Horn fan can ignore the fact that UT is, by far, the #1 problem in the Big XII. They destroyed the SWC with their BS, now they took down the Big XII. Good luck to whatever conference is dumb enough to take on the cancer that is UT.

 

[Jeffg010]

Well I was really hoping that Pitt was going to the Big 10 to get that Penn State/Pitt rivalry going again. :\

 

[zokudu]

This is better than daytime television. Go on College Football guys.

 

[Narse]

You are obviously a UT fan, because no one but a Horn fan can ignore the fact that UT is, by far, the #1 problem in the Big XII. They destroyed the SWC with their BS, now they took down the Big XII. Good luck to whatever conference is dumb enough to take on the cancer that is UT.

UT to me will always be my Vols, What did Texas do to ruin a conf?

 

[Kirby]

UT to me will always be my Vols, What did Texas do to ruin a conf?

Vol fan in Mobile? God help you. 😛

 

[zinfamous]

Not sure Clemson is really in the position to be complaining about that. Don't see them running all over the conference.

they were "big in the ACC" back before Florida State joined.


...that was more than twenty years ago.

 

[GotIssues]

UT to me will always be my Vols, What did Texas do to ruin a conf?

Texas likes to play political games to get their way, a lot. They are very, very good at it, and they have enough power to pull most of it. However, last year they were using the threat to go to the Pac 10 and taking 4 or 5 teams with them as leverage to get what they wanted from the BigXII and over-reached, pissing off a lot of people in the process. Last year put aTm on the brink, and aTm knew that the SEC was an option because of the whole process. aTm has put up with Texas' crap and powerplays, and Texas' latest powerplay of trying to force the issue of HS football on branded station was the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. What probably made it worse, was that Texas constantly denied knowledge of a lot of this stuff that is making universities mad, when, in fact, it's in the contract with ESPN that they were going to do it (thus it was a flat out lie when they said they didn't know).

Regardless of how nice a person is or how long you've known each other, you can only poke someone in the chest with your finger so long before they snap and either turn around and walk away or throw a punch. Then, inevitably, the person doing the poking throws their hands up and says "What did I do?" That's what Texas does.

Texas is all about Texas. It always has been. They will say and do anything to gain in power or money, everyone else be damned. The problem is that's not the foundation that conferences are built on. If you create a "every man for himself" environment, particularly one in which one is throwing their weight around constantly, better options will eventually present themselves in which "every man for himself" means leaving for greener pastures.

Watch the media. Texas is the king of deflections. When facts are posed that make them look bad, they divert attention somewhere else. I guarantee that if and when the Pac-16 happens with OU, OSU, TTU, and UT going to the Pac, UT will point to OU as the instigator (for being the ones that initiated talks this year) and try and focus the blame for the conference break-up on OU rather than where it needs to be - Texas sized ego and Texas sized greed.

 

[preslove]

for example, florida sold its tier 3 rights jointly with florida state to a channel that also shows high school games.

Got a link for this? I have no earthly idea what you're talking about and I'm a gator fan & longtime former resident of gainesville. There's sun sports, but they don't play live games, just repeats.

Methinks that you may be an uninformed UT 'messageboard poster' ...

 

[ElFenix]

You are obviously a UT fan, because no one but a Horn fan can ignore the fact that UT is, by far, the #1 problem in the Big XII. They destroyed the SWC with their BS, now they took down the Big XII. Good luck to whatever conference is dumb enough to take on the cancer that is UT.

it wasn't UT that was on the losing end of the 11-1 votes all the time. nebraska is the real cancer, they tried to run kstate out of the big 8 back in the 80s. colorado didn't like them much so provided the 7th vote to move the office to dallas from KC. no one else in the conference like nebraska's partial qualifiers (except kstate), so that vote went 10-2. kstate moved on, tom "i play rapists" osborne got butt hurt by it. texas wasn't the 11-1 vote loser on all those issues.

and again, the biggest instability issue of the unequal revenue sharing was introduced by A&M, UNL, and CU. the three schools that left. A&M and UNL voted against equal revenue sharing every time it came up.

it's easy to paint UT as a villain because it's the biggest and wealthiest. but it ignores reality. if you're looking for a villain in this it's tom osborne.

and it's pretty clear that the aggies didn't have any intention of staying in the big xii even when they did take the blood money from the forgotten five.

Got a link for this? I have no earthly idea what you're talking about and I'm a gator fan & longtime former resident of gainesville. There's sun sports, but they don't play live games, just repeats.

so they do show high school games. i'd only heard rumors but now you've confirmed.

 

[preslove]

it wasn't UT that was on the losing end of the 11-1 votes all the time. nebraska is the real cancer, they tried to run kstate out of the big 8 back in the 80s. colorado didn't like them much so provided the 7th vote to move the office to dallas from KC. no one else in the conference like nebraska's partial qualifiers (except kstate), so that vote went 10-2. kstate moved on, tom "i play rapists" osborne got butt hurt by it. texas wasn't the 11-1 vote loser on all those issues.

and again, the biggest instability issue of the unequal revenue sharing was introduced by A&M, UNL, and CU. the three schools that left. A&M and UNL voted against equal revenue sharing every time it came up.

it's easy to paint UT as a villain because it's the biggest and wealthiest. but it ignores reality. if you're looking for a villain in this it's tom osborne.






so they do show high school games.

All they show of UF and FSU football are repeats of old games. Do you have any actual evidence that UF and FSU sold Tier 3 Rights to sun sports? I follow gator sports and have no clue what contract you're talking about. I'd like to read about it, if you can produce a link. WTH are 'Tier 3 rights,' anyway?

I'm pretty sure that the Longhorn network would get in the way of joining the SEC, considering the major contract they recently signed with ESPN.

 

[CPA]

Syracuse was enough of a stretch football-wise, I seriously hope they don't go after UCONN or Rutgers. Rutgers has a pretty big market, though.

I don't know if it was entirely about the bling. It has become pretty apparent that not all of the conferences are going to survive (or at least survive at their existing quality). Jumping for one that now is guaranteed to be one of the super-conferences is something they almost had to do.

You obviously don't have a clue about Syracuse football history. They are Top 15 in all time wins, have a National Championship, a Heisman winner and a bowl win last year. How many ACC teams can say that? Answer: None!