Pitt and Syracuse accepted to the ACC, UConn/Rutgers next?

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ElFenix

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FSu alum here. Yeah, many FSU alums are really angry about this. Others think the addition of those two with their basketball teams we bring more revenue. I'm no fan of BB, but some of our alums are saying college BB (unlike college FB) is big in the NE market.

I'm a football fan and wish the ACC was more football centric, but the North Carolina mafia runs things.

I'll withhold judgement until things finish shaking out. I'm hoping for a couple more schools that are much stronger in football.

Fern

interesting. did you feel that way when the ACC was basically an automatic bid for FSU all during the 90s?

outside of WVU i'm not sure there's two better poachable football schools in the eastern time zone that aren't part of the SEC (not going anywhere) or BIG (also not going anywhere). east carolina and USF? pitt may also be a stepping stone to ND (did that part of indiana decide to join daylight time? i don't remember)
 

zinfamous

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Conference realignment is for far more than football... the big east has many of the nations top ncaa mens BB teams... which many conference would die to have... even if it means taking on average football teams.

the ACC is the premiere basketball league, overall. Despite a few off years, the ACC is pretty much dominant--the Big East became a very good to great bball conference after the first raping of their league by the ACC, when the Big East raped Conf USA in response.

generally, if alignments are made in terms of BBall and the ACC is involved, it's to improve the reputation of those programs joining.

that was the intent of the original ACC expansion (which I still hate)--Miami, VT, and BC were there to improve the ACC's football reputation and revenue (and it's still a joke, more or less, save for VT of course), and to improve bball reputation for those respective schools.
 

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I have such questions because you are spouting nonsense. The LHN is a lot bigger of a deal than "tier 3 rights" and high school games. I suspect that almost all of your posts here are BS. Why don't you post some links as evidence for all these supposedly nefarious Texas A&M votes you keep going on and on about?


actually, it isnt.
for proof, i will refer you directly to ESPN's David Uben Big 12 blog.

MU Fan in Dayton, Ohio, writes: Ubben, I've heard a lot of talk about the new TV deal and all the cash it's gonna bring in. Call me stupid, but what does this mean for the average Tiger fan stuck in Podunk, OH? I've been forced to go to a sports bar to watch nearly every MU game last couple of years. Does this new deal put more MU games on my TV and my butt on my own couch more Saturdays? My bar tabs are adding up....

David Ubben: In theory, yes. If you're in Ohio and you don't get Fox Sports Network, it won't put a ton more games on your TV, but FX is on most basic cable packages and is in 98 million households nationwide. That's only a million or so fewer than ESPN and ESPN2. If you get ESPN, which, I'd like to think almost everyone has if they have cable TV, you should already have FX. Fox Sports Net, which has local networks that broadcast specific, region-based programming, may require you to purchase an upgraded sports package on most cable networks. If you live in the Big 12 region, you likely get Fox Sports Southwest, where a good portion of Big 12 games are broadcast.


DJ in Lisbon, Portugal, writes: Concerning the new TV deal and how it pertains to the School Networks(Sooner and Longhorn). If I read correctly FSN has the rights to each schools home game unless picked up by ESPN. So that takes care of all conference games. OU and UT only have 1 OOC away game. OU has FSU and UT has UCLA. Both of those match-ups are intriguing and are most likely to be picked up by ESPN. That is all of this upcoming seasons games accounted for. So where does that leave the School Networks? It seems like they will have no live football games, the driving force for the networks creation, to show.

DU: Well, no. There's still three nonconference games, and right now, the point is that schools still hold those third-tier rights for games not picked up by FSN or ESPN and can monetize them any way they see fit, whether it be streaming it online, getting a local broadcast or setting up a pay-per-view broadcast. Texas, clearly, would broadcast theirs on the Longhorn Network. Oklahoma's network, if it becomes a reality, won't be up by this football season.

And I would disagree that live football games are the driving force for networks. When you only have one a year, you don't launch a 24-hour network on the basis of one lame nonconference game a year. The driving force is a fan hunger for more from each school, but they'll feed that with a combination of some basketball games, almost all the baseball games, and other Olympic sports, as well as coaches shows and game replays, whether they be recent or historic. You'd be surprised at how many Texas fans would sit down and watch the 2005 Rose Bowl on repeat.

Think of it like "A Clockwork Orange," except the opposite.


Vusani in Swaziland asks: David, could you give us a simplified explanation of 1st, 2nd and 3rd tier rights and how that translates into funding with the new FOX TV contract? I have no idea what that means except that A&M is cranky again.

DU: Tier I rights are basically the huge football games, ones with big national appeal. That's your Red River Rivalry, Bedlam last year, the Lone Star Showdown in other years, basically the elite football games that the casual college football fan would care about. This is, as I understand it, a selection of 18 games. ESPN and ABC have these and they can select them in the week or two leading up to the game, so they get the most attractive matchups.

Tier II is the next set of games. Good games, but games likely only relevant to Big 12 audiences, so mostly conference games like, say, Kansas-Baylor last year or Oklahoma State-Kansas State. Now, there are 40 of these games.

Tier III includes the games that are only relevant to a certain fan base. That's your Northern Iowa-Iowa State matchups, for instance. I'm oversimplifying this to just football, but Tier III also includes Olympic sports like baseball or softball or women's basketball that people might want to watch, but untelevised games previously went unused. The Big 12 is now trying to position itself as a league that allows schools to profit off these events by monetizing them in a Big 12 Network or a school broadcast somehow.

The Big Ten, meanwhile, doesn't allow schools to monetize their third-tier rights and the Pac-12 likely will not allow schools to do that, either. That's a big reason why Texas, which has a market for its own network and stands the most to gain off these third-tier rights, didn't want to go to the Pac-16.
 

zinfamous

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FSu alum here. Yeah, many FSU alums are really angry about this. Others think the addition of those two with their basketball teams we bring more revenue. I'm no fan of BB, but some of our alums are saying college BB (unlike college FB) is big in the NE market.

I'm a football fan and wish the ACC was more football centric, but the North Carolina mafia runs things.

I'll withhold judgement until things finish shaking out. I'm hoping for a couple more schools that are much stronger in football.

Fern


who gives a shit about your football. if you didn't like it, you could have just stayed independent. the ACC is a bball league, always has been, whether the current powers that be like it or not.

If someone thinks the NE market for bball is huge, they simply have not spent 5 minutes in NC. And there is no way this so-called "NC mafia" is running things these days (however you want to see it, this is where the conference was born, and that is where it will sway, in the end) if you look at the most recent moves towards football. We try, but we honestly don't give a shit about football in the end.

and why? the "UNC brand" is, I believe, the second most-valuable sports brand next to the Yankees. And I don't recall Michael Jordan ever playing football.
 

Fern

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interesting. did you feel that way when the ACC was basically an automatic bid for FSU all during the 90s?

Didn't know much about it then. I was living/working in Europe until the mid-90's. I grew up in Tallahassee and obviously went to college there, I was used to us being independent.

Only after the ACC grew to 12 did I pay any attention to it. That brought a conference championship etc. Actually, I've only recently begun paying any real attention because of so many rumors of our possible move to the SEC.

outside of WVU i'm not sure there's two better poachable football schools in the eastern time zone that aren't part of the SEC (not going anywhere) or BIG (also not going anywhere). east carolina and USF? pitt may also be a stepping stone to ND (did that part of indiana decide to join daylight time? i don't remember)

What's the time zone got to do with it? Other conferences deal with time zone changes. E.g., UGA and Alabama are in different time zones. The way the PAC is shaping up it looks they'll have more than Colorado in a different zone. ND is in the Big East for all sports teams other than football and hockey, they are used to traveling to the EST.

I'm hearing ND sees itself as an Eastern school. A lot of their alumni are in NY and they regularly play ACC teams such as BC and Miami (and used to play FSU a lot).

I'm not personally making any predictions, IDK enough. But doesn't look like ND is going to the B1G, they've long resisted that. The SEC is out. The PAC? Being independent for much longer may not be do-able.

I've heard that WVU has officially asked to join the SEC, if so I think it's likely they've already been unofficially accepted etc.

The guesses for additional ACC expansion are either more BB, or some decent football teams. I've read the ACC has received requests to join from at least 11 other colleges. I don't think the Big East even has that many members that participate in football.

Fern
 

Fern

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who gives a shit about your football. if you didn't like it, you could have just stayed independent. the ACC is a bball league, always has been, whether the current powers that be like it or not.

That's the problem.

FSU, and Clemson, Miami GT, VT etc in the ACC are football schools that don't care about BB.

If someone thinks the NE market for bball is huge, they simply have not spent 5 minutes in NC.

I live in NC.

And there is no way this so-called "NC mafia" is running things these days (however you want to see it, this is where the conference was born, and that is where it will sway, in the end) if you look at the most recent moves towards football. We try, but we honestly don't give a shit about football in the end.

Yeah, the NC mafia is running things.

and why? the "UNC brand" is, I believe, the second most-valuable sports brand next to the Yankees. And I don't recall Michael Jordan ever playing football.

You be drinkin the koolaid brah.

It's about TV viewership, you guys ain't close.

And college football makes more money than BB.

Fern
 

zinfamous

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That's the problem.

FSU, and Clemson, Miami GT, VT etc in the ACC are football schools that don't care about BB.



I live in NC.



Yeah, the NC mafia is running things.



You be drinkin the koolaid brah.

It's about TV viewership, you guys ain't close.

And college football makes more money than BB.

Fern

Clemson and GT are ACC schools. the rest are add-ons!

:awe:


I know football makes way more money, but my point is that you should stop bitching about making this a football conference when it is so clearly a basketball conference--the biggest, most historical bball conference. It was born in Raleigh god damn it, so just eat shit with the football.


I love football, btw, don't get me wrong. But for me, if improving football comes at the expense of quality basketball, then I don't want any part of it.
 

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UNC used to be #1 at merchandising back in the 90s. now it's UT, Bama, UF, LSU, then UNC.
http://www.clc.com/clcweb/publishing.nsf/Content/Rankings+Annual+2010

Wow, didn't realize UGA was way up there at #6. LSU I could totally see, though; they have the brand on such a strong lock down, and they use the colors and logo on so many things throughout Louisiana, that I'm surprised purple and gold aren't yet included on the state flag.

But anyway, Go Dawgs...now just win some damn football games.
 

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I'm hearing rumors that Penn State may be interested in joining the ACC.

Also a lot of talk about Notre Dame joining the ACC. Recent editorials in Indiana newspapers are urging ND to go ACC etc.

We'll see.

Fern
No disrespect to the ACC, but Penn State would have to be insane. Would never happen.

Basically something Syracuse had in the 80s and 90s until Greg Robinson came in. Syracuse is back on track and the ACC affiliation can only help with getting recruiting to a level we expect.

Also, you mentioned Rutgets above. Rutgers does not have a big market. They THINK they have a big market. Except for one season and one particular game, Louisville, about 5 years ago, they've done nothing. Absolutely nothing.

BTW, which is your team?
Did I not drop enough hints? :p

I grew up (and remain) a VT fan. I graduated from Purdue. I have never lived in Virginia, but both my parents attended, and both siblings are students currently.

I know little about Rutgers except the fact that their market is always referenced when they are discussed. I hated hearing talk of them during Big Ten expansion time, and I hate it now for the ACC. I think that would certainly be a big mistake.
 
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SP33Demon

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interesting. did you feel that way when the ACC was basically an automatic bid for FSU all during the 90s?

outside of WVU i'm not sure there's two better poachable football schools in the eastern time zone that aren't part of the SEC (not going anywhere) or BIG (also not going anywhere). east carolina and USF? pitt may also be a stepping stone to ND (did that part of indiana decide to join daylight time? i don't remember)

Pitt is indeed a stepping stone to ND... also heard from Pitt alum today that they were lobbying for WVU to join the ACC to strengthen football, but academics were holding WVU back. A shame because WVU is in the top 30 in the country in total football revenue (4 million more than Mizzou), travel well, and could probably beat half of the SEC easily this year (UGA, UK, Vandy, Ole Miss, Miss St, Auburn, UT, maybe AR) with their new "air attack" offense. I doubt they'll beat LSU on Saturday but it was competitive last year.

If the SEC does ask WVU to join they'd be stupid not to. They'd go 8-4 every year and get more $$ and better recruits out of the Northeast who want to play in the best football league in the land.
 

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No disrespect to the ACC, but Penn State would have to be insane. Would never happen.


Did I not drop enough hints? :p

I grew up (and remain) a VT fan. I graduated from Purdue. I have never lived in Virginia, but both my parents attended, and both siblings are students currently.

I know little about Rutgers except the fact that their market is always referenced when they are discussed. I hated hearing talk of them during Big Ten expansion time, and I hate it now for the ACC. I think that would certainly be a big mistake.

VT fan? Ugh. Thanks to Beamer stealing Vick from us, SU hit the shitter soon after. That, and Ray Rice heading off to Rutgers after the coaching change.

In any case, I'm glad to be able to renew the VPI and BC games. Hopefully, they become as big as they used to during the Big East days.
 

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Damn, just read a rumor that the SEC turned down WVU.

I think they're now in a bind because I keep hearing over on the ACC side that they won't get in there due to academics.

Fern
 

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Damn, just read a rumor that the SEC turned down WVU.

I think they're now in a bind because I keep hearing over on the ACC side that they won't get in there due to academics.

Fern

Welcome to Conference USA ;)
 

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What's the time zone got to do with it? Other conferences deal with time zone changes. E.g., UGA and Alabama are in different time zones. The way the PAC is shaping up it looks they'll have more than Colorado in a different zone. ND is in the Big East for all sports teams other than football and hockey, they are used to traveling to the EST.

i'm using it to identify a geographical area. time itself has nothing to do with it.
 

SP33Demon

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Damn, just read a rumor that the SEC turned down WVU.

I think they're now in a bind because I keep hearing over on the ACC side that they won't get in there due to academics.

Fern

Yeah, but Mizzou turned down the SEC last year so it depends on what happens to the Big 12, especially if the other BEast teams are going to join. Mizzou may stay, who knows. If they turn down the SEC a 2nd time then WVU will definitely get the invite.
 

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Yeah, but Mizzou turned down the SEC last year so it depends on what happens to the Big 12, especially if the other BEast teams are going to join. Mizzou may stay, who knows. If they turn down the SEC a 2nd time then WVU will definitely get the invite.

It's now being reported that Mizzou has another offer from the SEC. Said the SEC is willing to give Mizzou some time to see what happens to the Big 12.

Fern
 

Fern

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i'm using it to identify a geographical area. time itself has nothing to do with it.

Well, I keep reading that Notre Dame has often said they don't want to be a 'regional' school, which they would be in the B1G.

Also read that a bunch of their alumni live along the Eastern corridor from Washington DC up thru to Boston.

IDK what ND will do. I do understand they like being independent, but as these conferences get larger, meaning more in-conference games, ND's hand may be forced to join somewhere or get left out. If the Big East implodes, they also have the problem of what to do with their other sports.

Fern