Pirates 3

[Praxis1452]

Originally posted by: neutralizer
I actually liked it a lot. I brought the whole full circle with Jack on his own again and Barbosa with the Black Pearl.

I saw the scene after the credits only because the OP said that its useful in understanding the first scene. I think the OP was totally wrong about that. The first scene is just the pirates singing Hoist the Colors whereas the last scene just means that Elizabeth was faithful to Will and they can be a family now after his 10 years of servitude.

they can be together for 1 day...

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: Praxis1452

Originally posted by: neutralizer
I actually liked it a lot. I brought the whole full circle with Jack on his own again and Barbosa with the Black Pearl.

I saw the scene after the credits only because the OP said that its useful in understanding the first scene. I think the OP was totally wrong about that. The first scene is just the pirates singing Hoist the Colors whereas the last scene just means that Elizabeth was faithful to Will and they can be a family now after his 10 years of servitude.

they can be together for 1 day...

Really? Didn't his dad say that after 10 years, she could come too? I don't think she'd want to. But what's Will doing all the time he's away, besides sailing? I thought because Calypso got released they didn't need someone to round up souls.
And who says the Flying Dutchman needs a captain?
That's what made me think the plot was rather crap in that aspect. You know, instead of just killing the POS, they have to drag it out that there's some big dumb risk involved.

 

[neutralizer]

Originally posted by: Praxis1452

Originally posted by: neutralizer
I actually liked it a lot. I brought the whole full circle with Jack on his own again and Barbosa with the Black Pearl.

I saw the scene after the credits only because the OP said that its useful in understanding the first scene. I think the OP was totally wrong about that. The first scene is just the pirates singing Hoist the Colors whereas the last scene just means that Elizabeth was faithful to Will and they can be a family now after his 10 years of servitude.

they can be together for 1 day...

Now that's an unhappy ending. I think the writers confirmed that they intended to be that after 10 years of servitude, if his lover is still faithful, he is freed of the curse of the Flying Dutchman. Whether that means he can step on land whenever he wants or his servitude as captain is over is not clear.

 

[Praxis1452]

Originally posted by: neutralizer

Originally posted by: Praxis1452

Originally posted by: neutralizer
I actually liked it a lot. I brought the whole full circle with Jack on his own again and Barbosa with the Black Pearl.

I saw the scene after the credits only because the OP said that its useful in understanding the first scene. I think the OP was totally wrong about that. The first scene is just the pirates singing Hoist the Colors whereas the last scene just means that Elizabeth was faithful to Will and they can be a family now after his 10 years of servitude.

they can be together for 1 day...

Now that's an unhappy ending. I think the writers confirmed that they intended to be that after 10 years of servitude, if his lover is still faithful, he is freed of the curse of the Flying Dutchman. Whether that means he can step on land whenever he wants or his servitude as captain is over is not clear.

grr the plot does not make this clear so much confusing dialogue and subplots.

I kinda get it now with davey Jones being so angry at calypso for not being there.

 

[TehMac]

I thought what happened with Davy Jones is that he was Calypso's lover and he was charged with keeping the souls in purgatory (or in this case, Davy Jones' locker) but when Calypso betrayed him, he betrayed her back (he helped contribute to her imprisonment in bodily form) and he became corrupted, and that's why he appeared the way he did.

Calypso (Or Tia Dalman) had that crazy power where she showed Barbossa as he really should be--dead. She grabbed his hand, and it was rotting away and skeletal (which was awesome) and then she showed Davy Jones as he ought to be, really cool CG effects all and all.

 

[Blayze]

Originally posted by: TehMac
I thought what happened with Davy Jones is that he was Calypso's lover and he was charged with keeping the souls in purgatory (or in this case, Davy Jones' locker) but when Calypso betrayed him, he betrayed her back (he helped contribute to her imprisonment in bodily form) and he became corrupted, and that's why he appeared the way he did.

Calypso (Or Tia Dalman) had that crazy power where she showed Barbossa as he really should be--dead. She grabbed his hand, and it was rotting away and skeletal (which was awesome) and then she showed Davy Jones as he ought to be, really cool CG effects all and all.

She brought Barbossa back from the dead. The scene was awesome, but I thought it showed how she gave him life and she could take it away again. Or something like that...

One of my few problems with the movie was how Calypso got huge (Attack of the 50 foot Woman anyone?), and the beginning with the child. He had braces!

Otherwise the movie was amazing.

 

[Swag1138]

Originally posted by: TehMac
I thought what happened with Davy Jones is that he was Calypso's lover and he was charged with keeping the souls in purgatory (or in this case, Davy Jones' locker) but when Calypso betrayed him, he betrayed her back (he helped contribute to her imprisonment in bodily form) and he became corrupted, and that's why he appeared the way he did.

Davey Jones was supposed to use the Flying Dutchman to ferry the souls of those who died at sea to "the next world." Davey Jones did this for 10 years, and then when Calypso was not there to meet him at his first opportunity to see her again, he was heartbroken. This heartbreak turned to anger, and he told the pirate council how to bind her, and stopped ferrying souls to the next world (hence the incredible number of ghosts in the water in the locker), the locker itself was not supposed to be used for punishment, but a "boarding point," if you will, for the souls to be ferried to the next world.

Davey Jones was never supposed to do the work he was doing when we met him in the second PotC, that was what his anger led him to, and what turned him into the monster.

 

[EGGO]

Originally posted by: Gibson486
Just came back from it. Despie the poor reviews, I thought it was really good.

Possible Spoiler:

In order to understand the first scene, you have to stay and watch the scene after the credits run.

With its mixed plot and multiple "bad guys", this is what Spiderman 3 should have been.

This is no spoiler. I avoided this but I should've read this thread. I missed that scene now.

 

[RallyMaster]

damn this movie leaves a lot to be explained

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: Swag1138
Davey Jones was supposed to use the Flying Dutchman to ferry the souls of those who died at sea to "the next world." Davey Jones did this for 10 years, and then when Calypso was not there to meet him at his first opportunity to see her again, he was heartbroken. This heartbreak turned to anger, and he told the pirate council how to bind her, and stopped ferrying souls to the next world (hence the incredible number of ghosts in the water in the locker), the locker itself was not supposed to be used for punishment, but a "boarding point," if you will, for the souls to be ferried to the next world.

Davey Jones was never supposed to do the work he was doing when we met him in the second PotC, that was what his anger led him to, and what turned him into the monster.

Ah I see now, thanks. So what's Will going to do? Ferry souls for the next 10 years? That sounds like sh*t. And pretty morbid too.
What about the peeps in the boats? Were they ferrying themselves across too?

 

[mercanucaribe]

The thread subtitle should have said to watch past the credits.

Anyway, that sad ending was too cliche for me. Nothing has a happy ending anymore

 

[nanette1985]

Spoiler, of course.

What I want to know is, why did the British commander guy just stand there at the end and not fire any of his zillions of cannons? It was a very dramatic looking scene, but why? Did I sneeze and miss something?

Visual impact - 10
Funny parts - 8
Music - 10
Great actors - 9
Good time had by me - 9.9
Time waiting by ladies' room after long movie plus large drink - lots
Questions afterwards about plot - lots
Will see again - 100 percent

Oh! And does anybody know a website that lists all the places that they "borrowed" - in a good way - things from other movies, like the bodies floating and the ship going thru the ice canyons = LOTR, or Jack with all the jack-clones, but I forget the name of the movie where that happens. There were lots of things I noticed during the movie. Made it fun.

 

[TehMac]

Kiera Knightly was really hot in this one too. In PotC 2 she was alright. This one was...ooh lalala enchilalas!

 

[neutralizer]

Originally posted by: TehMac
Kiera Knightly was really hot in this one too. In PotC 2 she was alright. This one was...ooh lalala enchilalas!

It could be that she matured over the years since the original PotC, but she's really REALLY hot in this one. Especially in the scene towards the end .

 

[Agentbolt]

SPOILER




Apparently the writers confirmed the green flash at the end (after the credits) means that

A) Elizabeth was faithful to Will for the 10 years he was gone

B) That means Will's job on the Dutchman is over, he can come home for good.

Still no explanation of who the kid at the beginning was, or why he looks exactly like Will's son.

 

[neutralizer]

Originally posted by: Agentbolt
SPOILER




Apparently the writers confirmed the green flash at the end (after the credits) means that

A) Elizabeth was faithful to Will for the 10 years he was gone

B) That means Will's job on the Dutchman is over, he can come home for good.

Still no explanation of who the kid at the beginning was, or why he looks exactly like Will's son.

If you read through the thread, someone has already mentioned that the kids are two different actors and hence are supposed to be two different people. The kid at the beginning was just to start the singing of Hoist the Colors and has to relation to Will III.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: neutralizer

Originally posted by: TehMac
Kiera Knightly was really hot in this one too. In PotC 2 she was alright. This one was...ooh lalala enchilalas!

It could be that she matured over the years since the original PotC, but she's really REALLY hot in this one. Especially in the scene towards the end .

I thought she was really hot in the 1st one too though. And PotC 2 and PotC3 were filmed ~ same time. Same with LotR.

And your ^ post--there are some theories that the green light flashing means a soul has returned, in which case its the boy's who was hung at the beginning of the movie.

 

[neutralizer]

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: neutralizer

Originally posted by: TehMac
Kiera Knightly was really hot in this one too. In PotC 2 she was alright. This one was...ooh lalala enchilalas!

It could be that she matured over the years since the original PotC, but she's really REALLY hot in this one. Especially in the scene towards the end .

I thought she was really hot in the 1st one too though. And PotC 2 and PotC3 were filmed ~ same time. Same with LotR.

And your ^ post--there are some theories that the green light flashing means a soul has returned, in which case its the boy's who was hung at the beginning of the movie.

Uh no. The green light flash means that Will has returned from the dead because Elizabeth was faithful and he can have his life back.

 

[Fullmetal Chocobo]

I love how they incorporated the green flash into the film. BTW, that is an actual phenomenon. I had heard about it previously when I was in the Navy. Here's a link.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: Fullmetal Chocobo
I love how they incorporated the green flash into the film. BTW, that is an actual phenomenon. I had heard about it previously when I was in the Navy. Here's a link.

Yeah, its saint Elmo's fire.

Originally posted by: neutralizer


Uh no. The green light flash means that Will has returned from the dead because Elizabeth was faithful and he can have his life back.

Uh yes, the green light means any soul has returned to earth. After Will had fun with Elizabeth, he went off on his ship, there was a green flash. This symbolized a soul returning to earth. Considering Will just had teh sexx0rz with Lizzie, I imagine it could make sense.

 

[Agentbolt]

two different actors and hence are supposed to be two different people

I didn't say they were the same actor, numbnuts, I said they looked exactly the same. Try reading my post fully next time. I have read this entire thread and lots of people have noticed the two actors look the same. Clearly you filled up on an extra cup of Genius Juice this morning, eh?

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: Agentbolt

two different actors and hence are supposed to be two different people

I didn't say they were the same actor, numbnuts, I said they looked exactly the same. Try reading my post fully next time. I have read this entire thread and lots of people have noticed the two actors look the same. Clearly you filled up on an extra cup of Genius Juice this morning, eh?

"According to the film's writers, the curse of The Dutchman is broken if, after the ten years, the captain's lover remains faithful. The final post-credit scene suggests that Will can now return to land, as Elizabeth has remained faithful. The green flash, which symbolises a soul returning from the dead, supports this theory. Apparently, a scene of dialogue between Tia Dalma/Calypso and Davy Jones, which explained this, was cut from the film, leading to confusion about the ending."
-From Wikipedia

 

[heathertre]

Originally posted by: Praxis1452


The book guy being jack's father didn't really mean anything.

I was very disappointed by the whole Keith Richards thing. I thought he was going to be on screen more and be more like Jack. I feel like the whole thing was over hyped.

I liked the movie though.

 

[TehMac]

I knew the Kieth Richards thing would be overhyped. I wasn't thrilled about him in the first place.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: TehMac
Really? Didn't his dad say that after 10 years, she could come too? I don't think she'd want to. But what's Will doing all the time he's away, besides sailing? I thought because Calypso got released they didn't need someone to round up souls.
And who says the Flying Dutchman needs a captain?
That's what made me think the plot was rather crap in that aspect. You know, instead of just killing the POS, they have to drag it out that there's some big dumb risk involved.

Man, I don't see how so many can miss the basic concepts of the movie...but you thought he was Richard Keith too

The Flying Dutchman is a fable way older then PotC. There are several variations, but in the Pirate's version basically the ship requires a captain. The captain's job is to ferry those lost at see into the afterlife.

The last captain corrupted his duties and decided to force the souls into service.

As the captain for payment of his duties he lives forever (or until someone destroys his heart) and can return from sunrise to sunset to land once every 10 years.

Also many had been trying to kill the captain of the flying dutchman. He has been stabbed quite a few times in the series and his heart has been highjacked quite a few times.