Piracy (Extortion is what this actually is)

[DangerAardvark]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: TallBill
Why sink it when we have special teams like Seal team 6 who specialize in taking down hostage takers. If pirates kept getting killed instead of paid, less people would want to be a pirate.

That or start arming merchant ships. Wouldn't take much really, less then what 99.9% of you would think.

But sinking a ship is just fucking stupid.

Okay, okay. I already admitted that a SEAL team would be a better option.

My first thought was that a SEAL team would end up with the hostages dead and ship destroyed anyhow, so why risk the team? But I guess people will feel better if we try, so go for it.

Just for fuck's sake stop negotiating with the kidnappers and worse still, stop paying them.

BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY DO. Besides, why would it necessarily be a SEAL team? Britain has special forces, and they actually have a British citizen onboard.

 

[dguy6789]

Amused's method will cost significantly less lives than any alternative that is currently being used to deal with pirates.(Paying them and keeping them coming back for more)

 

[tboo]

Daisy Cutters! FTW

 

[DangerAardvark]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: PlasmaBomb
Sinking a tanker filled with 2 billion barrels of oil doesn't sound like a good idea...

Paying them sounds like a worse idea.

Contrary to the environuts, the earth can easily handle a spill like that with only short term effects. Believe it or not, oil is actually a natural substance.

And to be honest, I could give a rat's ass if Somolia's fishing industry is hurt at this point in time.

You are really saying that an Oil Spill that would shadow the Exxon Valdez is worth it.

Killing of thousands of organisms, destroying countless environments, basically starving thousands of people while wiping out local economy, wasting billions of barrels of fossil fuels, all just to prove you have the biggest penis.

You have some serious problems.

Sigh. The tanker has less oil than the Valdez. It's not full. And no tanker holds anything close to "billions" of barrels.

It's not a penis thing. Far from it. It's simply a way to stop all future attempts at kid/shipnapping. Paying them and negotiating has only made them commit far more crimes.

And yes, a few million barrels of oil would be only a temporary problem. The earth is remarkably resilient. A hell of a lot more than the environuts lead people to believe.

Okay, I'm tired of this canard. It's not about "the Earth". It's about the people on it. Making everyone who talks about the environment out to be some wacko who worships "Mother nature" is retarded. The Earth doesn't need saving. We do.

This isn't an apology for the legitimate "environuts". But not everyone who gives a fuck is nuts. Quite the opposite, in fact.

 

[BudAshes]

This is crazy talk. Sorry dude.

 

[Atheus]

I approve of everything DangerAardvark said.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: PlasmaBomb
Sinking a tanker filled with 2 billion barrels of oil doesn't sound like a good idea...

Paying them sounds like a worse idea.

Contrary to the environuts, the earth can easily handle a spill like that with only short term effects. Believe it or not, oil is actually a natural substance.

And to be honest, I could give a rat's ass if Somolia's fishing industry is hurt at this point in time.

You are really saying that an Oil Spill that would shadow the Exxon Valdez is worth it.

Killing of thousands of organisms, destroying countless environments, basically starving thousands of people while wiping out local economy, wasting billions of barrels of fossil fuels, all just to prove you have the biggest penis.

You have some serious problems.

Sigh. The tanker has less oil than the Valdez. It's not full. And no tanker holds anything close to "billions" of barrels.

It's not a penis thing. Far from it. It's simply a way to stop all future attempts at kid/shipnapping. Paying them and negotiating has only made them commit far more crimes.

And yes, a few million barrels of oil would be only a temporary problem. The earth is remarkably resilient. A hell of a lot more than the environuts lead people to believe.

Okay, I'm tired of this canard. It's not about "the Earth". It's about the people on it. Making everyone who talks about the environment out to be some wacko who worships "Mother nature" is retarded. The Earth doesn't need saving. We do.

This isn't an apology for the legitimate "environuts". But not everyone who gives a fuck is nuts. Quite the opposite, in fact.

My point is that the damage would not be permanent and would be gone in just a few years... nor would it be all that bad for "people" since Somalia barely has any fishing industry at all.

Let's face it, the long term effects of oil spills are EXTREMELY exaggerated by the environmental movement, and the ability of the earth to recover on it's own is competely and intentionally ignored.

 

[imported_apocalypse]

Originally posted by: Amused
My point is that the damage would not be permanent and would be gone in just a few years... nor would it be all that bad for "people" since Somalia barely has any fishing industry at all.

Let's face it, the long term effects of oil spills are EXTREMELY exaggerated by the environmental movement, and the ability of the earth to recover on it's own is competely and intentionally ignored.

There would still be significant short term environmental damage. The environmental lobby would not let any government get away with blowing up the ship without a clean up effort, which would cost millions.

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: PlasmaBomb
Sinking a tanker filled with 2 billion barrels of oil doesn't sound like a good idea...

Paying them sounds like a worse idea.

Contrary to the environuts, the earth can easily handle a spill like that with only short term effects. Believe it or not, oil is actually a natural substance.

And to be honest, I could give a rat's ass if Somolia's fishing industry is hurt at this point in time.

You are really saying that an Oil Spill that would shadow the Exxon Valdez is worth it.

Killing of thousands of organisms, destroying countless environments, basically starving thousands of people while wiping out local economy, wasting billions of barrels of fossil fuels, all just to prove you have the biggest penis.

You have some serious problems.

Sigh. The tanker has less oil than the Valdez. It's not full. And no tanker holds anything close to "billions" of barrels.

It's not a penis thing. Far from it. It's simply a way to stop all future attempts at kid/shipnapping. Paying them and negotiating has only made them commit far more crimes.

And yes, a few million barrels of oil would be only a temporary problem. The earth is remarkably resilient. A hell of a lot more than the environuts lead people to believe.

Okay, I'm tired of this canard. It's not about "the Earth". It's about the people on it. Making everyone who talks about the environment out to be some wacko who worships "Mother nature" is retarded. The Earth doesn't need saving. We do.

This isn't an apology for the legitimate "environuts". But not everyone who gives a fuck is nuts. Quite the opposite, in fact.

My point is that the damage would not be permanent and would be gone in just a few years... nor would it be all that bad for "people" since Somalia barely has any fishing industry at all.

Let's face it, the long term effects of oil spills are EXTREMELY exaggerated by the environmental movement, and the ability of the earth to recover on it's own is competely and intentionally ignored.

Why would we blow it up? They are out in the MIDDLE OF THE OCEAN! Where are they going to go? All you would need to do is put a siege on it. Eventually they would run out of food and supplies. If it tried to go to port you could have troops there in no time. Or send in a team to go fuck stuff up.

Your "let's blow it up because it'll show um and damn the consequence" is one of the most unstable things I have heard in a long time.

It is like dousing your yard with agent orange so those DAMN kids won't ruin your grass when they kick the ball over your fence.

And by the way... I wonder how "EXTREMELY exaggerated" those effects would be if they were in your yard. What if someone spilt 3.5 times the amount of oil in the Exxon Valdez on your home; I'd bet you'd be fucking pissed too.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: apocalypse

Originally posted by: Amused
My point is that the damage would not be permanent and would be gone in just a few years... nor would it be all that bad for "people" since Somalia barely has any fishing industry at all.

Let's face it, the long term effects of oil spills are EXTREMELY exaggerated by the environmental movement, and the ability of the earth to recover on it's own is competely and intentionally ignored.

There would still be significant short term environmental damage. The environmental lobby would not let any government get away with blowing up the ship without a clean up effort, which would cost millions.

Better to spend the millions on a clean up rather than give it to kidnappers.

At any rate, it's moot. I already changed my opinion to favor a covert attack rather than an airstrike, even though I'm not convinced the outcomes would not be the same.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: PlasmaBomb
Sinking a tanker filled with 2 billion barrels of oil doesn't sound like a good idea...

Paying them sounds like a worse idea.

Contrary to the environuts, the earth can easily handle a spill like that with only short term effects. Believe it or not, oil is actually a natural substance.

And to be honest, I could give a rat's ass if Somolia's fishing industry is hurt at this point in time.

You are really saying that an Oil Spill that would shadow the Exxon Valdez is worth it.

Killing of thousands of organisms, destroying countless environments, basically starving thousands of people while wiping out local economy, wasting billions of barrels of fossil fuels, all just to prove you have the biggest penis.

You have some serious problems.

Sigh. The tanker has less oil than the Valdez. It's not full. And no tanker holds anything close to "billions" of barrels.

It's not a penis thing. Far from it. It's simply a way to stop all future attempts at kid/shipnapping. Paying them and negotiating has only made them commit far more crimes.

And yes, a few million barrels of oil would be only a temporary problem. The earth is remarkably resilient. A hell of a lot more than the environuts lead people to believe.

Okay, I'm tired of this canard. It's not about "the Earth". It's about the people on it. Making everyone who talks about the environment out to be some wacko who worships "Mother nature" is retarded. The Earth doesn't need saving. We do.

This isn't an apology for the legitimate "environuts". But not everyone who gives a fuck is nuts. Quite the opposite, in fact.

My point is that the damage would not be permanent and would be gone in just a few years... nor would it be all that bad for "people" since Somalia barely has any fishing industry at all.

Let's face it, the long term effects of oil spills are EXTREMELY exaggerated by the environmental movement, and the ability of the earth to recover on it's own is competely and intentionally ignored.

Why would we blow it up? They are out in the MIDDLE OF THE OCEAN! Where are they going to go? All you would need to do is put a siege on it. Eventually they would run out of food and supplies. If it tried to go to port you could have troops there in no time. Or send in a team to go fuck stuff up.

Your "let's blow it up because it'll show um and damn the consequence" is one of the most unstable things I have heard in a long time.

It is like dousing your yard with agent orange so those DAMN kids won't ruin your grass when they kick the ball over your fence.

And by the way... I wonder how "EXTREMELY exaggerated" those effects would be if they were in your yard. What if someone spilt 3.5 times the amount of oil in the Exxon Valdez on your home; I'd bet you'd be fucking pissed too.

Look, many posts ago I changed my opinion to favor just such a covert attack. So arguing against my first opinion is kinda silly. You've posted in this thread long enough to know I've had this change of mind, so why you keep arguing against my original post is rather confusing.

And no, my plan is far from "unstable" as it will bring about the desired results in the end. Be honest, do you really think the kidnappers have not thought of such a thing and already have a plan to kill the hostages AND scuttle the ship if attacked?

The whole point in kidnapping is "pay or the ship sinks and the crew dies." If we fail to pay and blockade the ship, do you honestly think the crew/ship will survive???

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: PlasmaBomb
Sinking a tanker filled with 2 billion barrels of oil doesn't sound like a good idea...

Paying them sounds like a worse idea.

Contrary to the environuts, the earth can easily handle a spill like that with only short term effects. Believe it or not, oil is actually a natural substance.

And to be honest, I could give a rat's ass if Somolia's fishing industry is hurt at this point in time.

You are really saying that an Oil Spill that would shadow the Exxon Valdez is worth it.

Killing of thousands of organisms, destroying countless environments, basically starving thousands of people while wiping out local economy, wasting billions of barrels of fossil fuels, all just to prove you have the biggest penis.

You have some serious problems.

Sigh. The tanker has less oil than the Valdez. It's not full. And no tanker holds anything close to "billions" of barrels.

It's not a penis thing. Far from it. It's simply a way to stop all future attempts at kid/shipnapping. Paying them and negotiating has only made them commit far more crimes.

And yes, a few million barrels of oil would be only a temporary problem. The earth is remarkably resilient. A hell of a lot more than the environuts lead people to believe.

Okay, I'm tired of this canard. It's not about "the Earth". It's about the people on it. Making everyone who talks about the environment out to be some wacko who worships "Mother nature" is retarded. The Earth doesn't need saving. We do.

This isn't an apology for the legitimate "environuts". But not everyone who gives a fuck is nuts. Quite the opposite, in fact.

My point is that the damage would not be permanent and would be gone in just a few years... nor would it be all that bad for "people" since Somalia barely has any fishing industry at all.

Let's face it, the long term effects of oil spills are EXTREMELY exaggerated by the environmental movement, and the ability of the earth to recover on it's own is competely and intentionally ignored.

Why would we blow it up? They are out in the MIDDLE OF THE OCEAN! Where are they going to go? All you would need to do is put a siege on it. Eventually they would run out of food and supplies. If it tried to go to port you could have troops there in no time. Or send in a team to go fuck stuff up.

Your "let's blow it up because it'll show um and damn the consequence" is one of the most unstable things I have heard in a long time.

It is like dousing your yard with agent orange so those DAMN kids won't ruin your grass when they kick the ball over your fence.

And by the way... I wonder how "EXTREMELY exaggerated" those effects would be if they were in your yard. What if someone spilt 3.5 times the amount of oil in the Exxon Valdez on your home; I'd bet you'd be fucking pissed too.

Look, many posts ago I changed my opinion to favor just such a covert attack. So arguing against my first opinion is kinda silly. You've posted in this thread long enough to know I've had this change of mind, so why you keep arguing against my original post is rather confusing.

And no, my plan is far from "unstable" as it will bring about the desired results in the end. Be honest, do you really think the kidnappers have not thought of such a thing and already have a plan to kill the hostages AND scuttle the ship if attacked?

You don't have faith in our forces to get the job done then? A bunch of 3rd world pirates apparently too quick for them...

My comments were more towards your insistence that a major oil spill would have minimal effects and there is some sort of Green Conspiracy out there trying to brainwash to work on their lunar recycling plant. Your unstable earlier comments about just blowing the shit of the tanker and damning everything were just that... unstable and stupid.

Your further comments about "environuts" continue this point. You might have opted for a covert op but you still think that a major oil spill is nothing and insignificant pirates are worth destroying an ecosystem.

Why don't you put your money (health) where your mouth is...

How about we submerge you in only one barrel of oil.... and see how you do... See how exaggerated those effects really are?

I think any further comment you have on this topic should be held until such time as you completely submerge yourself in oil for one day (not even close to the amount of time it would take for the earth to "naturally" clean it up).

Until then you are just a mouthpiece who can't put up.


EDIT:
P.S. Please make sure to recycle your tinfoil hat.
ZINNNNNNNNNNNNG!

 

[Slapstick]

My solution, station a Carrier battle group half way between the southern and northern most boarders of the pirate attacks. Fly Hawkeyes for surveillance and radio communications. Receive distress call from a ship being attacked and flight of F18's is launched to intercept. Given the distance they should be there within 20 min. Attack pirates, hopefully destroy pirates and get great training to boot. It's a win, win situation. Less pirates and more real life training for our guys.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: PlasmaBomb
Sinking a tanker filled with 2 billion barrels of oil doesn't sound like a good idea...

Paying them sounds like a worse idea.

Contrary to the environuts, the earth can easily handle a spill like that with only short term effects. Believe it or not, oil is actually a natural substance.

And to be honest, I could give a rat's ass if Somolia's fishing industry is hurt at this point in time.

You are really saying that an Oil Spill that would shadow the Exxon Valdez is worth it.

Killing of thousands of organisms, destroying countless environments, basically starving thousands of people while wiping out local economy, wasting billions of barrels of fossil fuels, all just to prove you have the biggest penis.

You have some serious problems.

Sigh. The tanker has less oil than the Valdez. It's not full. And no tanker holds anything close to "billions" of barrels.

It's not a penis thing. Far from it. It's simply a way to stop all future attempts at kid/shipnapping. Paying them and negotiating has only made them commit far more crimes.

And yes, a few million barrels of oil would be only a temporary problem. The earth is remarkably resilient. A hell of a lot more than the environuts lead people to believe.

Okay, I'm tired of this canard. It's not about "the Earth". It's about the people on it. Making everyone who talks about the environment out to be some wacko who worships "Mother nature" is retarded. The Earth doesn't need saving. We do.

This isn't an apology for the legitimate "environuts". But not everyone who gives a fuck is nuts. Quite the opposite, in fact.

My point is that the damage would not be permanent and would be gone in just a few years... nor would it be all that bad for "people" since Somalia barely has any fishing industry at all.

Let's face it, the long term effects of oil spills are EXTREMELY exaggerated by the environmental movement, and the ability of the earth to recover on it's own is competely and intentionally ignored.

Why would we blow it up? They are out in the MIDDLE OF THE OCEAN! Where are they going to go? All you would need to do is put a siege on it. Eventually they would run out of food and supplies. If it tried to go to port you could have troops there in no time. Or send in a team to go fuck stuff up.

Your "let's blow it up because it'll show um and damn the consequence" is one of the most unstable things I have heard in a long time.

It is like dousing your yard with agent orange so those DAMN kids won't ruin your grass when they kick the ball over your fence.

And by the way... I wonder how "EXTREMELY exaggerated" those effects would be if they were in your yard. What if someone spilt 3.5 times the amount of oil in the Exxon Valdez on your home; I'd bet you'd be fucking pissed too.

Look, many posts ago I changed my opinion to favor just such a covert attack. So arguing against my first opinion is kinda silly. You've posted in this thread long enough to know I've had this change of mind, so why you keep arguing against my original post is rather confusing.

And no, my plan is far from "unstable" as it will bring about the desired results in the end. Be honest, do you really think the kidnappers have not thought of such a thing and already have a plan to kill the hostages AND scuttle the ship if attacked?

You don't have faith in our forces to get the job done then? A bunch of 3rd world pirates apparently too quick for them...

My comments were more towards your insistence that a major oil spill would have minimal effects and there is some sort of Green Conspiracy out there trying to brainwash to work on their lunar recycling plant. Your unstable earlier comments about just blowing the shit of the tanker and damning everything were just that... unstable and stupid.

Your further comments about "environuts" continue this point. You might have opted for a covert op but you still think that a major oil spill is nothing and insignificant pirates are worth destroying an ecosystem.

Why don't you put your money (health) where your mouth is...

How about we submerge you in only one barrel of oil.... and see how you do... See how exaggerated those effects really are?

I think any further comment you have on this topic should be held until such time as you completely submerge yourself in oil for one day (not even close to the amount of time it would take for the earth to "naturally" clean it up).

Until then you are just a mouthpiece who can't put up.


EDIT:
P.S. Please make sure to recycle your tinfoil hat.
ZINNNNNNNNNNNNG!

And you call me "unstable?" Wow...

I have every faith in our forces. But they are not gods. If the kidnappers are just feet away from the crew no amount of skill will get the forces on board quick enough to save them. And if the ship is wired with explosives, no amount of speed can beat a fuse or switch. And you guys accuse ME of watching too much "24."???

Look, the vast majority of hostage rescues end in disaster for the hostages. It's a question of proximity that cannot be overcome by skill alone.

Can't put up what? Reality?

Reality: We are paying the kidnappers, and the kidnappings have only increased.

Not paying the kidnappers will probably end in the death of the hostages and damage to the ship, but will STOP the kidnappings.

So if not paying will end with the death of the hostages and ship destroyed, why not just end it quick?

That was my logic. Because anything that involves negotiating with, or paying the kidnappers is illogical.

If it takes a dead crew and oil spill to put an end to the kidnappings, it's a MUCH smaller price to pay than the current course we are following has been.

Over 150 million has been paid to these kidnappers so far. When will it stop? When we stop paying. What will happen when we stop paying? We will probably lose a ship and crew.

What do you want to wait for? For them to get a cruise ship with thousands of people??? Do it now while they have a ship with a small crew.

 

[episodic]

why not some poisonous gas. . .

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: episodic
why not some poisonous gas. . .

That's an idea. But it's too prone to error. What if the gas misses the mark? What if it doesn't penetrate the right areas of the ship? What if the kidnappers have the ship wired and blow it?

Any attack has a very likely chance of having the same outcome as just blowing the ship altogether. But I do understand the feeling that we should at least try. So a commando/SEAL assualt would be the best bet.

 

[episodic]

there are some gases that would not fail

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Amused
Appeasement has gotten us to where we are with this issue.

There is only one solution: As soon as a ship is taken, call in an air strike and sink the damn thing. We MUST assume that any ship taken is already lost and the crew dead. Paying kidnappers is the worst thing we could be doing.

It's the only way to stop all future acts of piracy/extortion. Making extortion pay is only creating more acts of kidnapping and extortion.

Your thoughts?

Yep, you're an idiot. No one that has been kidnapped has been killed and you have no issues with an environmental catastrophy over oil that isn't even yours.

Please remove your Elite title.

 

[BarneyFife]

Ship owners hire private security.

Problem solved.

 

[episodic]

or call john shepherd and rodney ftw

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: PlasmaBomb
Sinking a tanker filled with 2 billion barrels of oil doesn't sound like a good idea...

Paying them sounds like a worse idea.

Contrary to the environuts, the earth can easily handle a spill like that with only short term effects. Believe it or not, oil is actually a natural substance.

And to be honest, I could give a rat's ass if Somolia's fishing industry is hurt at this point in time.

You are really saying that an Oil Spill that would shadow the Exxon Valdez is worth it.

Killing of thousands of organisms, destroying countless environments, basically starving thousands of people while wiping out local economy, wasting billions of barrels of fossil fuels, all just to prove you have the biggest penis.

You have some serious problems.

Sigh. The tanker has less oil than the Valdez. It's not full. And no tanker holds anything close to "billions" of barrels.

It's not a penis thing. Far from it. It's simply a way to stop all future attempts at kid/shipnapping. Paying them and negotiating has only made them commit far more crimes.

And yes, a few million barrels of oil would be only a temporary problem. The earth is remarkably resilient. A hell of a lot more than the environuts lead people to believe.

Okay, I'm tired of this canard. It's not about "the Earth". It's about the people on it. Making everyone who talks about the environment out to be some wacko who worships "Mother nature" is retarded. The Earth doesn't need saving. We do.

This isn't an apology for the legitimate "environuts". But not everyone who gives a fuck is nuts. Quite the opposite, in fact.

My point is that the damage would not be permanent and would be gone in just a few years... nor would it be all that bad for "people" since Somalia barely has any fishing industry at all.

Let's face it, the long term effects of oil spills are EXTREMELY exaggerated by the environmental movement, and the ability of the earth to recover on it's own is competely and intentionally ignored.

Why would we blow it up? They are out in the MIDDLE OF THE OCEAN! Where are they going to go? All you would need to do is put a siege on it. Eventually they would run out of food and supplies. If it tried to go to port you could have troops there in no time. Or send in a team to go fuck stuff up.

Your "let's blow it up because it'll show um and damn the consequence" is one of the most unstable things I have heard in a long time.

It is like dousing your yard with agent orange so those DAMN kids won't ruin your grass when they kick the ball over your fence.

And by the way... I wonder how "EXTREMELY exaggerated" those effects would be if they were in your yard. What if someone spilt 3.5 times the amount of oil in the Exxon Valdez on your home; I'd bet you'd be fucking pissed too.

Look, many posts ago I changed my opinion to favor just such a covert attack. So arguing against my first opinion is kinda silly. You've posted in this thread long enough to know I've had this change of mind, so why you keep arguing against my original post is rather confusing.

And no, my plan is far from "unstable" as it will bring about the desired results in the end. Be honest, do you really think the kidnappers have not thought of such a thing and already have a plan to kill the hostages AND scuttle the ship if attacked?

You don't have faith in our forces to get the job done then? A bunch of 3rd world pirates apparently too quick for them...

My comments were more towards your insistence that a major oil spill would have minimal effects and there is some sort of Green Conspiracy out there trying to brainwash to work on their lunar recycling plant. Your unstable earlier comments about just blowing the shit of the tanker and damning everything were just that... unstable and stupid.

Your further comments about "environuts" continue this point. You might have opted for a covert op but you still think that a major oil spill is nothing and insignificant pirates are worth destroying an ecosystem.

Why don't you put your money (health) where your mouth is...

How about we submerge you in only one barrel of oil.... and see how you do... See how exaggerated those effects really are?

I think any further comment you have on this topic should be held until such time as you completely submerge yourself in oil for one day (not even close to the amount of time it would take for the earth to "naturally" clean it up).

Until then you are just a mouthpiece who can't put up.


EDIT:
P.S. Please make sure to recycle your tinfoil hat.
ZINNNNNNNNNNNNG!

And you call me "unstable?" Wow...

I have every faith in our forces. But they are not gods. If the kidnappers are just feet away from the crew no amount of skill will get the forces on board quick enough to save them. And if the ship is wired with explosives, no amount of speed can beat a fuse or switch. And you guys accuse ME of watching too much "24."???

Look, the vast majority of hostage rescues end in disaster for the hostages. It's a question of proximity that cannot be overcome by skill alone.

Can't put up what? Reality?

Reality: We are paying the kidnappers, and the kidnappings have only increased.

Not paying the kidnappers will probably end in the death of the hostages and damage to the ship, but will STOP the kidnappings.

So if not paying will end with the death of the hostages and ship destroyed, why not just end it quick?

That was my logic. Because anything that involves negotiating with, or paying the kidnappers is illogical.

If it takes a dead crew and oil spill to put an end to the kidnappings, it's a MUCH smaller price to pay than the current course we are following has been.

Over 150 million has been paid to these kidnappers so far. When will it stop? When we stop paying. What will happen when we stop paying? We will probably lose a ship and crew.

What do you want to wait for? For them to get a cruise ship with thousands of people??? Do it now while they have a ship with a small crew.

Decided not to address my post and just substitute your own thing.

 

[mugs]

What the hell is going on here, and why isn't anyone trimming their nested quotes? :|

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Amused
Appeasement has gotten us to where we are with this issue.

There is only one solution: As soon as a ship is taken, call in an air strike and sink the damn thing. We MUST assume that any ship taken is already lost and the crew dead. Paying kidnappers is the worst thing we could be doing.

It's the only way to stop all future acts of piracy/extortion. Making extortion pay is only creating more acts of kidnapping and extortion.

Your thoughts?

Yep, you're an idiot. No one that has been kidnapped has been killed and you have no issues with an environmental catastrophy over oil that isn't even yours.

Please remove your Elite title.

Naw, I'll keep my Elite title because unlike you, I can read a thread before commenting.

No one has been killed because all have paid. And because all have paid, kidnapping has become an industry and incidents will only increase.

But thanks for the mindless insult. I'm sure kidnappers all over the world thank you for your impeccable logic.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Amused
Appeasement has gotten us to where we are with this issue.

There is only one solution: As soon as a ship is taken, call in an air strike and sink the damn thing. We MUST assume that any ship taken is already lost and the crew dead. Paying kidnappers is the worst thing we could be doing.

It's the only way to stop all future acts of piracy/extortion. Making extortion pay is only creating more acts of kidnapping and extortion.

Your thoughts?

Yep, you're an idiot. No one that has been kidnapped has been killed and you have no issues with an environmental catastrophy over oil that isn't even yours.

Please remove your Elite title.

Naw, I'll keep my Elite title because unlike you, I can read a thread before commenting.

No one has been killed because all have paid. And because all have paid, kidnapping has become an industry and incidents will only increase.

But thanks for the mindless insult. I'm sure kidnappers all over the world thank you for your impeccable logic.

:laugh: Why do you care? These are private ships. Do you need to be the world protector? Why not spend your energy on something more useful? What about crime in the US? The war on crime doesn't appear to be working here, why care about pirates on the other side of the world?

Who's navy/air force/military forces should be involved and why?

Pathetic...

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: SirStev0


Decided not to address my post and just substitute your own thing.

I addressed only that worth addressing. The rest was hysterical nonsense and insults.

Akin to me saying "why don't I kidnap your dumbass kids and you pay me millions of dollars, only for me to kidnap them again."

Sorry, I'd rather actually debate the issues and solutions than make fallacious arguments.