Piracy (Extortion is what this actually is)

[ghost recon88]

Something needs to be done to send a very CLEAR message to the pirates, paying ransoms is obviously (except in the opinion of an idiot) not the solution. If you're one of the crew thats running these ships, you know the risks you're taking upon yourself by being involved in that type of occupation. With that said, sending in special forces is the best thing we could do. If a few hostages get killed in the process, well they knew the risk when they signed up for that job. But having 2-3 hostages killed while sending a clear message to the pirates is a sacrifice well made.

 

[Jack Ryan]

Can we all just agree that Amused needed attention so he started a bunch of stupid threads when he got back to a computer after "almost dieing".

Oh the thread starts innocently enough, but any logical discussion following is met with harsh responses overflowing with classic inferiority complex qualities.

My guess is his wife doesn't let him do anything so the internet is his outlet. What do I win?

He is a waste of bandwidth.

Edit... oh I forgot :::sigh:::

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: ghost recon88
Something needs to be done to send a very CLEAR message to the pirates, paying ransoms is obviously (except in the opinion of an idiot) the solution. If you're one of the crew thats running these ships, you know the risks you're taking upon yourself by being involved in that type of occupation. With that said, sending in special forces is the best thing we could do. If a few hostages get killed in the process, well they knew the risk when they signed up for that job. But having 2-3 hostages killed while sending a clear message to the pirates is a sacrifice well made.

No hostages have been killed yet. Who are these special forces that you want to send in? Who is going to pay for this? The ships and sailors are from all different countries, none from the US.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Jack Ryan
Can we all just agree that Amused needed attention so he started a bunch of stupid threads when he got back to a computer after "almost dieing".

Oh the thread starts innocently enough, but any logical discussion following is met with harsh responses overflowing with classic inferiority complex qualities.

My guess is his wife doesn't let him do anything so the internet is his outlet. What do I win?

He is a waste of bandwidth.

Edit... oh I forgot :::sigh:::

You lose.

I am not married. And even when I was, I was never in a relationship where one would "let" the other do or not do anything.

This thread was a rant in response to some of the very posts in this thread who urge payment and appeasement simply because a hostage has not been hurt yet. It was meant to start intelligent conversation and debate.

Now, if you'd like to bring your happy ass to my house and view my medical records and the ashes of my mother to prove what a psychologically projecting little bitch you are, feel free.

Do I start controversial threads to spark discussions and debates? Yes. But at least I contribute and make the forum more interesting. At least my threads are filled with interesting and thoughtful posts instead of mindless one line nefs.

WTF do you do? Where is the last thread you posted that sparked honest, thoughtful debate and garnered more than 100 posts with most of them more than one line and not mindless nefs?

I thought so.

 

[imported_apocalypse]

Apparently the Indian Navy agrees with blowing up hijacked ships

The problem with military action for every hijacked ship is twofold, countries will not use their forces to recapture a ship not from their country; they might not even be inclined to send forces after less important ships that ARE from their country. Also, few countries even have the capability for a proper maritime assault, how would ships from other nations fare?

The second problem is that such action would cause the pirates to escalate the violence. They would start rigging the ship with explosives, they would kill the crew and take their cargo or try to sell ship parts. And of course there would be attempts to keep ransom demands secret, maybe take the hostages and hide them in the local villages.

It may stop open ransoms, but it won't stop piracy. It's not like the pirates have jobs or good lives to go back to in Somalia. If you indeed wanted to stop the problem completely, something must be done about the source, which is the lack of government in the country. Yes, it would be extremely costly and take intensive effort, but it would be ultimately good for the area. Otherwise, the current strategy will remain, which is more navy patrols and paying ransoms.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Chuck Norris is the solution.
Make many clones.
Put him on merchant vessels.

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SirStev0


Decided not to address my post and just substitute your own thing.

I addressed only that worth addressing. The rest was hysterical nonsense and insults.

Akin to me saying "why don't I kidnap your dumbass kids and you pay me millions of dollars, only for me to kidnap them again."

Sorry, I'd rather actually debate the issues and solutions than make fallacious arguments.

You are pathetic. If oil is so harmless and natural then you should be fine right? This just doesn't sync with your paranoia.

 

[Farang]

God damn you just don't let up do you, Amused. Amazing, you're like a pit bull.

 

[K1052]

Shipping that can be re-routed around the Gulf of Aden should be.

All remaining shipping should stick to patrolled sea lanes and transit the area at maximum speed.

The USS Iowa should be re-activated from the mothball fleet at Susiun Bay and made seaworthy. You don't need to update her to today's standards since you're not going to be duking it out with a signifigant naval force. Just replenish the powder for the 16/5 inch guns, train up the crew, and take on fuel.

Organize convoys of the slow moving ships in the gulf with the Iowa randomly shadowing at night. Give the pirates the surprise of their soon to be short lives when they start getting fire from 2000lb high explosive shells 20 miles out. Pirates that escape should be followed back to their bases and subjected to shore bombardments. The ship can also serve as a base for UAVs and sea based teams to retake captured commercial vessels.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: K1052
Shipping that can be re-routed around the Gulf of Aden should be.

All remaining shipping should stick to patrolled sea lanes and transit the area at maximum speed.

The USS Iowa should be re-activated from the mothball fleet at Susiun Bay and made seaworthy. You don't need to update her to today's standards since you're not going to be duking it out with a signifigant naval force. Just replenish the powder for the 16/5 inch guns, train up the crew, and take on fuel.

Organize convoys of the slow moving ships in the gulf with the Iowa randomly shadowing at night. Give the pirates the surprise of their soon to be short lives when they start getting fire from 2000lb high explosive shells 20 miles out. Pirates that escape should be followed back to their bases and subjected to shore bombardments. The ship can also serve as a base for UAVs and sea based teams to retake captured commercial vessels.

Yeah, re-activating a battleship and manning it with crew and support ships will be cheap to protect foreign ships in foreign water.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: K1052
Shipping that can be re-routed around the Gulf of Aden should be.

All remaining shipping should stick to patrolled sea lanes and transit the area at maximum speed.

The USS Iowa should be re-activated from the mothball fleet at Susiun Bay and made seaworthy. You don't need to update her to today's standards since you're not going to be duking it out with a signifigant naval force. Just replenish the powder for the 16/5 inch guns, train up the crew, and take on fuel.

Organize convoys of the slow moving ships in the gulf with the Iowa randomly shadowing at night. Give the pirates the surprise of their soon to be short lives when they start getting fire from 2000lb high explosive shells 20 miles out. Pirates that escape should be followed back to their bases and subjected to shore bombardments. The ship can also serve as a base for UAVs and sea based teams to retake captured commercial vessels.

Yeah, re-activating a battleship and manning it with crew and support ships will be cheap to protect foreign ships in foreign water.

A lot cheaper than paying a carrier group to hang out there indefinitely. You don't even need support ships besides the occasional stop from an oiler and not even that very often since the class has a 16K+ mile range on her own fuel oil bunkers.

Also, as part of her retirement congress required that plans for a rapid reactivation be established so this is already all down on paper in some Navy office.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: K1052
Shipping that can be re-routed around the Gulf of Aden should be.

All remaining shipping should stick to patrolled sea lanes and transit the area at maximum speed.

The USS Iowa should be re-activated from the mothball fleet at Susiun Bay and made seaworthy. You don't need to update her to today's standards since you're not going to be duking it out with a signifigant naval force. Just replenish the powder for the 16/5 inch guns, train up the crew, and take on fuel.

Organize convoys of the slow moving ships in the gulf with the Iowa randomly shadowing at night. Give the pirates the surprise of their soon to be short lives when they start getting fire from 2000lb high explosive shells 20 miles out. Pirates that escape should be followed back to their bases and subjected to shore bombardments. The ship can also serve as a base for UAVs and sea based teams to retake captured commercial vessels.

Yeah, re-activating a battleship and manning it with crew and support ships will be cheap to protect foreign ships in foreign water.

A lot cheaper than paying a carrier group to hang out there indefinitely. You don't even need support ships besides the occasional stop from an oiler and not even that very often since the class has a 16K+ mile range on her own fuel oil bunkers.

No battleship nor any US naval ships in foreign waters go by themselves. And by the time that it would take to re-activate the Iowa, the issue will become moot.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: K1052
Shipping that can be re-routed around the Gulf of Aden should be.

All remaining shipping should stick to patrolled sea lanes and transit the area at maximum speed.

The USS Iowa should be re-activated from the mothball fleet at Susiun Bay and made seaworthy. You don't need to update her to today's standards since you're not going to be duking it out with a signifigant naval force. Just replenish the powder for the 16/5 inch guns, train up the crew, and take on fuel.

Organize convoys of the slow moving ships in the gulf with the Iowa randomly shadowing at night. Give the pirates the surprise of their soon to be short lives when they start getting fire from 2000lb high explosive shells 20 miles out. Pirates that escape should be followed back to their bases and subjected to shore bombardments. The ship can also serve as a base for UAVs and sea based teams to retake captured commercial vessels.

Yeah, re-activating a battleship and manning it with crew and support ships will be cheap to protect foreign ships in foreign water.

A lot cheaper than paying a carrier group to hang out there indefinitely. You don't even need support ships besides the occasional stop from an oiler and not even that very often since the class has a 16K+ mile range on her own fuel oil bunkers.

No battleship nor any US naval ships in foreign waters go by themselves. And by the time that it would take to re-activate the Iowa, the issue will become moot.

Not looking like it if the pirates keep getting paid off or sell off the cargo. Until they have incentive not to hijack ships they're going to keep doing it.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: K1052
Shipping that can be re-routed around the Gulf of Aden should be.

All remaining shipping should stick to patrolled sea lanes and transit the area at maximum speed.

The USS Iowa should be re-activated from the mothball fleet at Susiun Bay and made seaworthy. You don't need to update her to today's standards since you're not going to be duking it out with a signifigant naval force. Just replenish the powder for the 16/5 inch guns, train up the crew, and take on fuel.

Organize convoys of the slow moving ships in the gulf with the Iowa randomly shadowing at night. Give the pirates the surprise of their soon to be short lives when they start getting fire from 2000lb high explosive shells 20 miles out. Pirates that escape should be followed back to their bases and subjected to shore bombardments. The ship can also serve as a base for UAVs and sea based teams to retake captured commercial vessels.

Yeah, re-activating a battleship and manning it with crew and support ships will be cheap to protect foreign ships in foreign water.

A lot cheaper than paying a carrier group to hang out there indefinitely. You don't even need support ships besides the occasional stop from an oiler and not even that very often since the class has a 16K+ mile range on her own fuel oil bunkers.

No battleship nor any US naval ships in foreign waters go by themselves. And by the time that it would take to re-activate the Iowa, the issue will become moot.

Not looking like it if the pirates keep getting paid off or sell off the cargo. Until they have incentive not to hijack ships they're going to keep doing it.

Since, larger ships are sailing around the area. We should re-activate a battleship to stop local foreign ships from being pirated? Why not let someone else take care of the situation with a small destroyer and forces?

 

[tk149]

I'd just like to point out that I sort of predicted the rise of piracy years ago.

Almost everyone in this thread agreed that a reduction in US military ships was a good thing

 

[Raizinman]

I have two ideas:

Contact Bill Gates. Who knows how to deal with Pirates better than him.

Bring in the entire 3rd fleet, with all their carriers, battleships and such and surround the tanker. Nobody gets in and nobody gets out. See who can wait it out the longest.

 

[alphatarget1]

eh why don't some countries just send escort ships and charge the oil companies for it? they'll surely be pwned by destroyers.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SirStev0


Decided not to address my post and just substitute your own thing.

I addressed only that worth addressing. The rest was hysterical nonsense and insults.

Akin to me saying "why don't I kidnap your dumbass kids and you pay me millions of dollars, only for me to kidnap them again."

Sorry, I'd rather actually debate the issues and solutions than make fallacious arguments.

You are pathetic. If oil is so harmless and natural then you should be fine right? This just doesn't sync with your paranoia.

Look up fallacious arguments so you stop making them in every post, okay?