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Piracy (Extortion is what this actually is)
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Amused
Elite Member
Sigh. The tanker has less oil than the Valdez. It's not full. And no tanker holds anything close to "billions" of barrels.
It's not a penis thing. Far from it. It's simply a way to stop all future attempts at kid/shipnapping. Paying them and negotiating has only made them commit far more crimes.
And yes, a few million barrels of oil would be only a temporary problem. The earth is remarkably resilient. A hell of a lot more than the environuts lead people to believe.
Seals aren't mythbusters! 😛
What's amazing is it's illegal for anyone on these ships to carry a weapon (firearm) of any kind! I can understand the hazard with arms and a tanker full of oil even though you probably could start a bonfire the size of Rosie O'Donnell on the deck and it would not burn! 😛
There has to be a better way than using noise, and greasing up the railings. Leave it to the nerds to come up with an electronic solution. Heck even if it uses megawatts of power just drop another bunker diesel generator in there. Those things can burn anything! Cost of safety and doing business. Now let's get to work on those force fields and microwave cannons.
Imagine those dummies driving into a microwave field. First they'd feel heat like someone pouring coffee over their heads. Then sparks would shoot from their RPG's and AK47's. All the loose bullets would start going off. To get an idea put a CD (AOL CD's work the best) in your microwave for a few seconds! 😛
They could probably use a net system that would sit packed below the water line. When activated it would catch the pirates and pull them high in the air where angry crew members could poke at them with sharp objects. Of course the human rights folks would be unhappy with that. Put them with their PETA friends on the next boat up the Suez and when it gets jacked say SEE YA!
Aikouka
Lifer
Well, that's what the government gets for killing Gold Roger.
cliftonite
Diamond Member
And the people that rely upon the sea for their living? Who would support them while the "temporary" problem subsides?
Amused
Elite Member
Not much of a fishing industry in Somalia.
http://www.nationsencyclopedia...a/Somalia-FISHING.html
At any rate, let the damn warlords who are behind the extortion support them.
Amused
Elite Member
Um, no. After checking facts, if it were full, the seized tanker would carry roughly 4 times as much oil as the Valdez spilled.
About 11 million gallons were spilled by the Valdez. The tanker in question has a capacity of 2 million barrels, but is according to news reports is possibly not completely full. The Valdez had a capacity of 1.5 million barrels
A barrel is 42 gallons.
cliftonite
Diamond Member
Riiiiiiiight warlords are known to be so caring. I suppose they would pay for the cleanup as well?
Bombing or attacking the tanker itself should be a last option consideration. Like others said, a special forces unit, in concert with a small fleet and gunships establishing a perimeter, should be the first things considered. This is assuming that the U.S. would want to get involved in this manner, or any other country capable of such an operation (India?). The real problem is that there is not enough effort in fighting and preventing piracy, and giving in to demands makes piracy a relatively low risk-high gain proposition for these thugs. India stepping up in fighting piracy helped their international image, and hopefully they, and those countries in the area around the Somali coast, allocate more resources to stop piracy before it continues to grow into a scourge of the seas like it was in various times in history.
Amused, I agree with you that force is needed, but taking out a tanker would cause a cascade of problems. The specific tactics required would have to be weighed by the country and force carrying out a strike against the pirates.
Amused, I agree with you that force is needed, but taking out a tanker would cause a cascade of problems. The specific tactics required would have to be weighed by the country and force carrying out a strike against the pirates.
imported_apocalypse
Senior member
Destroying the ship is a ridiculous option. Certainly the companies that use the routes would object. Its still cheaper for them to pay the ransom, than to lose their ship and crew. If being hijacked automatically resulted in the death of everyone on the ship, many sailors would refuse to work such routes. And pirates would respond by demanding the company to keep the hijacking a secret and they would be more willing to kill the hostages and ditch the ship on any sign that governments had been notified.
Sending in a special forces military team to retake the ship is better option, and IS used for high value targets. However, there are too many pirate incidents to use this option on all of them, as well as the lag in response time. Countries would also be reluctant to risk their elite troops to protect the ships of other countries.
To combat this piracy problem, it needs to be dealt with at the source. That is, the ports supporting piracy in Somalia have to be dealt with. Perhaps the companies that use shipping routes in the area should pay a fee into a international fund for stabilize the area and restore a national Somalian government. That would solve the problem in the long term. And in the short term, increased naval patrols and selected use of special forces to make piracy a less attractive option.
Sending in a special forces military team to retake the ship is better option, and IS used for high value targets. However, there are too many pirate incidents to use this option on all of them, as well as the lag in response time. Countries would also be reluctant to risk their elite troops to protect the ships of other countries.
To combat this piracy problem, it needs to be dealt with at the source. That is, the ports supporting piracy in Somalia have to be dealt with. Perhaps the companies that use shipping routes in the area should pay a fee into a international fund for stabilize the area and restore a national Somalian government. That would solve the problem in the long term. And in the short term, increased naval patrols and selected use of special forces to make piracy a less attractive option.
GodlessAstronomer
Lifer
Hypothetical question Amused - if soem Somalian fucks had taken a bunch of hostages in the top floor the the World Trade Center buildings on the morning of September 11, 2001 presumably you would be fine with the buildings being destroyed. Am I right?
The reason why we don't nuke these pirates from orbit is because, for the most part, we don't care about them. Notice how the only time the US Navy got involved was when the pirates hijacked those tanks? We don't care about yachts or merchants vessels or even the oik tanker getting hijacked because they aren't US vessels.
imported_apocalypse
Senior member
That's a certainly a FINAL solution for the problem. 😛
The nuke is worth more than the country though!
Remember when North Koreans were attacked? They overpowered pirates and decided to drown pirates in the ocean. When U.S asked(negotiated by giving them 15 days worth of food and suppy) North Koreans to not do so, they decided to demand $10,000 per each pirates (to either Kenya or Somalian govt.)
Just put North Koreans on board. Not only you won't worry about the ship being attacked, you will also make some money.
Just put North Koreans on board. Not only you won't worry about the ship being attacked, you will also make some money.
DangerAardvark
Diamond Member
Yep, and you're volunteering the lives of that crew to be the first to sacrifice for the cause. How noble of you.
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