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Petition to allow Open Carry at Republican convention

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You think? Unfortunately the troll is a fail. For one... security is tight at the convention... so the participants will be safe. Two, participants to the convention respect the authority of the secret service who are charged with protecting the candidates. The secret service does not want to have the trouble of trying to discern who is a threat in the event security is breached.

This just goes to show you, leftist morons have no business trying to make a funny. Stunts like this further expose liberal brain defect.


Why would there be security concerns if a lot of people bring guns to the convention? Either more guns make people safer or they don't. By all accounts you as well as others seem to be acknowledging that more guns makes people safer is a bullshit claim. Is that what you are claiming?
 
Well, if the petition is granted I hope the attendees bring some good hunting rifles. They can pick off all the BLM/SJW/OWS rent-a-rabbles. Would make for good sport.

/Trolling is fun
 
Well, if the petition is granted I hope the attendees bring some good hunting rifles. They can pick off all the BLM/SJW/OWS rent-a-rabbles. Would make for good sport.

/Trolling is fun

Interesting. You have openly called for the killing of people and you admit to trolling.
I'm sure magicman will be in here any second to scold you.
 
No one says you can carry a gun under any and all.circumstances. For example, you can't carry one onto my private property. You're free to wherever else unless its on someone else's property who doesn't want you armed or to someone else's event.

You knew that.

But part of being an igornant leftist is *always* purposefully misunderstanding something and being a jackass about it. Withness this thread.

So what about when Chipotle didn't want rednecks walking around in their restaurants with AR-15s strapped to their backs? There was quite the furor from the "freedom lovers" around these forums and throughout the country that "Chiptole hated their freedom!" "Ban Chiptole!" "Communists!" etc.


Who was correct?
 
It was sarcasm, you moron! I was ridiculing idiots like you. I have NEVER advocated for killing of people.

You're one of the reasons why I can't wholly commit to legalizing drugs, which pains me because I see the benefits of doing so.

Interesting. You have openly called for the killing of people and you admit to trolling.
I'm sure magicman will be in here any second to scold you.
 
There have been a lot of those loving peaceful Democrats clamoring for the assassination of certain candidates.

Remember, dem violence is acceptable, dem hatred of those they disagree with is acceptable, dems attempting to stifle the speech of those they disagree with is acceptable.
 
Why would there be security concerns if a lot of people bring guns to the convention? Either more guns make people safer or they don't. By all accounts you as well as others seem to be acknowledging that more guns makes people safer is a bullshit claim. Is that what you are claiming?

I am claiming that common core creates idiots such as yourself who cannot comprehend anything other than black or white.

There would be safety concerns because the secret service has a duty to protect the candidates. Would you want to spend taxpayer money to vet each and every attendee?

There is a responsibility one undertakes when deciding to carry a firearm. The vast majority of firearm owners are responsible and take firearms very seriously. The person using the firearm is responsible for the bullet and where it ups end if it leaves the gun. I for one would not want to be in a situation with a crowd and having to take a shot. Should I miss and kill an innocent bystander, that would be on me. I will be charged and likely be destroyed financially. Guns are not magical life enders... it takes skill and practice to make the bullet go where you want it to go. There are different levels of skill and reactive behaviors based on what type of training can partake in. I have taken advanced classes taught by ex-special forces military trainers. I have also seen people shoot a handgun at a target 10 feet away and miss.

Now if I am in a convenience store and have a concealed weapon... my level of safety has increased. Around here at least I can safely say people who like to rob stores are going to pick on that is empty versus picking one that may have a customer or two loitering around.

If there could be assurances that all CCW's at the convention had advanced training and were vetted properly.... sure the convention hall would be a damn safe place. But it has also come apparent that leftists can easily become mentally unhinged and prone to violence. I would not put it past some of these groups, that if allowed into the convention with a handgun, they would shoot someone just to make a point. So in the sake of making the secret services lives easier... people can leave the gun locked and away from the convention.
 
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I am claiming that common core creates idiots such as yourself who cannot comprehend anything other than black or white.

There would be safety concerns because the secret service has a duty to protect the candidates. Would you want to spend taxpayer money to vet each and every attendee?

There is a responsibility one undertakes when deciding to carry a firearm. The vast majority of firearm owners are responsible and take firearms very seriously. The person using the firearm is responsible for the bullet and where it ups end if it leaves the gun. I for one would not want to be in a situation with a crowd and having to take a shot. Should I miss and kill an innocent bystander, that would be on me. I will be charged and likely be destroyed financially. Guns are not magical life enders... it takes skill and practice to make the bullet go where you want it to go. There are different levels of skill and reactive behaviors based on what type of training can partake in. I have taken advanced classes taught by ex-special forces military trainers. I have also seen people shoot a handgun at a target 10 feet away and miss.

Now if I am in a convenience store and have a concealed weapon... my level of safety has increased. Around here at least I can safely say people who like to rob stores are going to pick on that is empty versus picking one that may have a customer or two loitering around.

If there could be assurances that all CCW's at the convention had advanced training and were vetted properly.... sure the convention hall would be a damn safe place. But it has also come apparent that leftists can easily become mentally unhinged and prone to violence. I would not put it past some of these groups, that if allowed into the convention with a handgun, they would shoot someone just to make a point. So in the sake of making the secret services lives easier... people can leave the gun locked and away from the convention.

Most of your post fairly concretely describes why the argument that broad gun ownership increases safety is bullshit.

I wish gun owners would simply accept that gun ownership on average makes people less safe. All the research points to this. It doesn't mean that you can't own a gun, it doesn't mean that specific individuals can't be safer owning a gun, it just means that in society as a whole that's not the case.
 
There have been a lot of those loving peaceful Democrats clamoring for the assassination of certain candidates.

Not to mention all those peaceful conservatives that have called for the death of numerous liberal figures over the years.

I remember fondly you calling them out because as we all know you just play it down the middle. 😉
 
I am claiming that common core creates idiots such as yourself who cannot comprehend anything other than black or white.

There would be safety concerns because the secret service has a duty to protect the candidates. Would you want to spend taxpayer money to vet each and every attendee?

There is a responsibility one undertakes when deciding to carry a firearm. The vast majority of firearm owners are responsible and take firearms very seriously. The person using the firearm is responsible for the bullet and where it ups end if it leaves the gun. I for one would not want to be in a situation with a crowd and having to take a shot. Should I miss and kill an innocent bystander, that would be on me. I will be charged and likely be destroyed financially. Guns are not magical life enders... it takes skill and practice to make the bullet go where you want it to go. There are different levels of skill and reactive behaviors based on what type of training can partake in. I have taken advanced classes taught by ex-special forces military trainers. I have also seen people shoot a handgun at a target 10 feet away and miss.

Not saying that you are wrong re: the bolded, but is that actually true? Is there any way to quantify that? It seems that this "everyone should be armed for safety!" argument largely hinges on the truth of this assertion.

I see this assertion made every time someone mentions that everyone should be armed, but I have never seen it quantified.
 
Not saying that you are wrong re: the bolded, but is that actually true? Is there any way to quantify that? It seems that this "everyone should be armed for safety!" argument largely hinges on the truth of this assertion.

I see this assertion made every time someone mentions that everyone should be armed, but I have never seen it quantified.

Just look at how the vast majority of car owners are responsible and take driving very seriously. There you go.
 
One lefty comes up with a really stupid idea the hive-minded others sure can cling to it.

Why is it when "lefties" embrace an idea righties previously endorsed suddenly that idea is bad?

Didn't we see this with the ACA??

Also has there been a mass shooting in the last 8 years where the NRA didn't advocate more guns would have been better?
 
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I am claiming that common core creates idiots such as yourself who cannot comprehend anything other than black or white.

There would be safety concerns because the secret service has a duty to protect the candidates. Would you want to spend taxpayer money to vet each and every attendee?

There is a responsibility one undertakes when deciding to carry a firearm. The vast majority of firearm owners are responsible and take firearms very seriously. The person using the firearm is responsible for the bullet and where it ups end if it leaves the gun. I for one would not want to be in a situation with a crowd and having to take a shot. Should I miss and kill an innocent bystander, that would be on me. I will be charged and likely be destroyed financially. Guns are not magical life enders... it takes skill and practice to make the bullet go where you want it to go. There are different levels of skill and reactive behaviors based on what type of training can partake in. I have taken advanced classes taught by ex-special forces military trainers. I have also seen people shoot a handgun at a target 10 feet away and miss.

Now if I am in a convenience store and have a concealed weapon... my level of safety has increased. Around here at least I can safely say people who like to rob stores are going to pick on that is empty versus picking one that may have a customer or two loitering around.

If there could be assurances that all CCW's at the convention had advanced training and were vetted properly.... sure the convention hall would be a damn safe place. But it has also come apparent that leftists can easily become mentally unhinged and prone to violence. I would not put it past some of these groups, that if allowed into the convention with a handgun, they would shoot someone just to make a point. So in the sake of making the secret services lives easier... people can leave the gun locked and away from the convention.

That should hold true with carrying in bars but that didn't seem to stop you guys.
 
Most of your post fairly concretely describes why the argument that broad gun ownership increases safety is bullshit.

I wish gun owners would simply accept that gun ownership on average makes people less safe. All the research points to this. It doesn't mean that you can't own a gun, it doesn't mean that specific individuals can't be safer owning a gun, it just means that in society as a whole that's not the case.

Who knows... maybe so... but statistically it is not relevant. Again look at the number of firearm deaths in this country. The majority are suicides (60%). 37% of firearm deaths which are ruled as homicides... the majority of these come from drug and gang violence (we don't know an exact number because not all gun homicides get classified). How may people get murdered in Chicago by guns in between mass shootings in this country?

Only about 3% (700-800 deaths) are accidental. Which one of is too many.. especially when a 4 year accidentally shoots his toddler sibling because some irresponsible turd left a loaded weapon where a child could access it. But look how many parents are irresponsible with their cars. How many kids get backed over while in the driveway. How many die per year from not being buckled up? How many die per year from parents who drive while under the influence?

Gun ownership is up and violent crime has been trending down (FBI 5 year trend from 2009-2013). So those are the statistics I am concerned about.
 
That should hold true with carrying in bars but that didn't seem to stop you guys.

What is wrong with carrying in a bar? In Tennessee I am allowed to carry a weapon in a bar. It is my responsibility to not consume alcohol otherwise my permit would be revoked.
 
Who knows... maybe so... but statistically it is not relevant. Again look at the number of firearm deaths in this country. The majority are suicides (60%). 37% of firearm deaths which are ruled as homicides... the majority of these come from drug and gang violence (we don't know an exact number because not all gun homicides get classified). How may people get murdered in Chicago by guns in between mass shootings in this country?

Only about 3% (700-800 deaths) are accidental. Which one of is too many.. especially when a 4 year accidentally shoots his toddler sibling because some irresponsible turd left a loaded weapon where a child could access it. But look how many parents are irresponsible with their cars. How many kids get backed over while in the driveway. How many die per year from not being buckled up? How many die per year from parents who drive while under the influence?

Gun ownership is up and violent crime has been trending down (FBI 5 year trend from 2009-2013). So those are the statistics I am concerned about.

No its not. Every reputable poll shows gun ownership is down, however guns per person is up. For being the statistic you care about its odd that you would get it wrong.
 
Who knows... maybe so... but statistically it is not relevant. Again look at the number of firearm deaths in this country. The majority are suicides (60%). 37% of firearm deaths which are ruled as homicides... the majority of these come from drug and gang violence (we don't know an exact number because not all gun homicides get classified). How may people get murdered in Chicago by guns in between mass shootings in this country?

Only about 3% (700-800 deaths) are accidental. Which one of is too many.. especially when a 4 year accidentally shoots his toddler sibling because some irresponsible turd left a loaded weapon where a child could access it. But look how many parents are irresponsible with their cars. How many kids get backed over while in the driveway. How many die per year from not being buckled up? How many die per year from parents who drive while under the influence?

Gun ownership is up and violent crime has been trending down (FBI 5 year trend from 2009-2013). So those are the statistics I am concerned about.

http://www.norc.org/PDFs/GSS Reports/GSS_Trends in Gun Ownership_US_1972-2014.pdf

The household ownership of firearms has declined in recent decades. Table 1 (left side) shows that the 31.0% of households reported having a firearm in 2014, essentially tying with 2010 for the lowest level of gun ownership in the last 40-some years. This is a decline of about 17 percentage points from the peak ownership years in 1977-1980.

You were trying to make a correlation there?
 
Only about 3% (700-800 deaths) are accidental. Which one of is too many.. especially when a 4 year accidentally shoots his toddler sibling because some irresponsible turd left a loaded weapon where a child could access it. But look how many parents are irresponsible with their cars. How many kids get backed over while in the driveway. How many die per year from not being buckled up? How many die per year from parents who drive while under the influence?

Not a direct response to you, but I wonder what the country would be like if we only had 700-800 terrorism deaths per year. My guess is East Germany.
 
Who knows... maybe so... but statistically it is not relevant. Again look at the number of firearm deaths in this country. The majority are suicides (60%). 37% of firearm deaths which are ruled as homicides... the majority of these come from drug and gang violence (we don't know an exact number because not all gun homicides get classified). How may people get murdered in Chicago by guns in between mass shootings in this country?

Only about 3% (700-800 deaths) are accidental. Which one of is too many.. especially when a 4 year accidentally shoots his toddler sibling because some irresponsible turd left a loaded weapon where a child could access it. But look how many parents are irresponsible with their cars. How many kids get backed over while in the driveway. How many die per year from not being buckled up? How many die per year from parents who drive while under the influence?

Statistically it's very relevant as we see a statistically significant increase in likelihood of death when a gun is in the house. If you're buying a gun because you think it makes you safer that statistic would indicate that's a very foolish purchase, no?

As for cars, I fail to see why that matters. Not only are cars indispensable to our economy in a way that guns aren't but not buckling up and DWI are already illegal. If anything that seems to be arguing for the criminalization of improper firearm storage.

Gun ownership is up and violent crime has been trending down (FBI 5 year trend from 2009-2013). So those are the statistics I am concerned about.

Why? There seems to be little if any relationship between gun ownership and violent crime. If anything increased gun ownership correlates with increased violent crime.

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/03/violent-crimes-and-handgun-ownership/
 
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