Pete Buttigieg to suspend campaign

[Zorba]

Sanders had almost zero name recognition before he began his primary campaign in 2015. I had certainly never heard of him. He took no PAC money, no big fundraisers etc., and here he is. So Pete doesn't get a pass.

We was also running against one person, had some personal money, and had been running major campaigns for 25 years. He still had a big leg up on Pete.

 

[Moonbeam]

I agree with you that I think Pete would've likely taken any position to get votes and with basically no track record its really hard to pin him down.

As for the funding, that is an issue with campaign finance in the US. Warren and Bernie had a ton of name recognition. Pete had none and you can't get any without money. In the general, we need money from everywhere we can get it too. This is a fact of the US under Citizen's United and death of the fairness doctrine. It is a fact we need to change, but until it is changed most people have to play the game.

What candidate has a solid history of not playing the game, of speaking out about the evil of the game? In my opinion, playing the game is the game. But, I know, the game is played to win so if we have to endlessly compromise and pretend that democracy isn't dead, so be it. And meanwhile people like Trump who has no center at all will keep wining. Nobody ever has to ask themselves who Trump is. He is the obvious choice of the desperate who seek self destruction out of hopelessness. And to think that our founding fathers went up against a King. Maybe compromise is like giving away your vertebrae one at a time. The thing about Sanders I think you may be missing but isn't lost on many Democrats is that he actually deserves to win. I am willing to start with that and see what happens after that.

 

[Blackjack200]

We was also running against one person, had some personal money, and had been running major campaigns for 25 years. He still had a big leg up on Pete.

I mean, that's just utterly false. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries

"had some personal money" is a meaningless statement. Everyone "has some personal money". 0% of Sanders campaign funding was self-financed. https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/summary?cid=N00000528

What major campaigns was he running? Senate campaigns in Vermont? What advantage is that supposed to provide, and how does it excuse Pete taking special interest money? None of this makes any sense. Two flat out lies, and a third statement that seems totally irrelevant.

 

[woolfe9998]

Why is it impossible for people on this board to accurately play back what someone says? No, I did not say REPUBLICAN. Clearly both Democrats and Republicans have big dollar donors.

Right, you said he had "right wing beliefs." Which you have failed to substantiate in any way by providing a single belief of his which is "right wing." So I really can't see the difference you're getting at.

 

[Blackjack200]

Right, you said he had "right wing beliefs." Which you have failed to substantiate in any way by providing a single belief of his which is "right wing." So I really can't see the difference you're getting at.

Haha, are you guys just winding me up at this point? Literally one page ago I said the phrase "I don't think Pete has "right wing beliefs""

Search it. It's there.

 

[woolfe9998]

Haha, are you guys just winding me up at this point? Literally one page ago I said the phrase "I don't think Pete has "right wing beliefs""

Search it. It's there.

You're right. You answered a question I asked of another poster who did say he had "right wing beliefs."

Still waiting for an answer from Thraasman.

 

[woolfe9998]

Interesting analysis here showing two polls indicating who Buttigieg's voter's "second choice" is. It's Klobuchar and Warren. I wasn't expecting Warren. Biden is third. Bloomberg and Sanders do not do well, though Bloomberg does worse than Sanders. Will be interesting to see if Warren and/or Klobuchar get a bounce from this.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/02/what-buttigieg-withdrawal-means-super-tuesday-and-rest-primary-contest/

 

[obidamnkenobi]

God forbid we get a candidate who can actually win.

Hillary was a flip-flopping, change with the wind, moderate who "believed" whatever it took to please the most people. How did that work out?

 

[hal2kilo]

Interesting analysis here showing two polls indicating who Buttigieg's voter's "second choice" is. It's Klobuchar and Warren. I wasn't expecting Warren. Biden is third. Bloomberg and Sanders do not do well, though Bloomberg does worse than Sanders. Will be interesting to see if Warren and/or Klobuchar get a bounce from this.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/02/what-buttigieg-withdrawal-means-super-tuesday-and-rest-primary-contest/

It's weird, the media seems to have ignored Warren for the last couple of days. I think Kolbachar is really done. Pitfalls of early voting. I'm looking to see if Warren still hangs in there. Softer Bernie?

 

[obidamnkenobi]

I also dislike that neither he nor Warren focus on the cost side, only the payment side.

I love how they can be accused of both "not focusing on paying for it", and in the same breath "OMG gonna raise my taxes!!"

 

[JEDIYoda]

I mean, that's just utterly false. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries

"had some personal money" is a meaningless statement. Everyone "has some personal money". 0% of Sanders campaign funding was self-financed. https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/summary?cid=N00000528

What major campaigns was he running? Senate campaigns in Vermont? What advantage is that supposed to provide, and how does it excuse Pete taking special interest money? None of this makes any sense. Two flat out lies, and a third statement that seems totally irrelevant.

The real truth is all money is "special interest"........even your one time donation to a candidate is technically special interest money.......

 

[Zorba]

I love how they can be accused of both "not focusing on paying for it", and in the same breath "OMG gonna raise my taxes!!"

I think I phrased that poorly. I don't like that they mostly focus on paying for medical care and college, without much discussion on how to reduce the cost of those items to start with.

That is one of the bigger issues with ACA, IMHO.

I'm personally fine with being taxed for the public good and I think Bernie has been the most honest on that front.

 

[hal2kilo]

Took a lot of guts for him to run. He will have a future in the Democratic party. He did a good job, sometimes it's just not your time. Your help in defeating Trump will be greatly appreciated.

 

[obidamnkenobi]

I think I phrased that poorly. I don't like that they mostly focus on paying for medical care and college, without much discussion on how to reduce the cost of those items to start with.

That is one of the bigger issues with ACA, IMHO.

I'm personally fine with being taxed for the public good and I think Bernie has been the most honest on that front.

well i that regard at least Bernie has a plan (AFAIK, I'm not that well read) as he wants to make the healthcare system fully public, ala NHS. Now you could say the NHS has cost issues too, but at least they spend less than the US (everyone does..), and has better outcomes (again; almost ever OECD country does). Basically; it's hard to make it worse. I may not agree with his plan fully, but almost anything must be better than the current system (with possible exception of "Trumpcare" or whatever the GOP comes up with).

 

[alcoholbob]

well i that regard at least Bernie has a plan (AFAIK, I'm not that well read) as he wants to make the healthcare system fully public, ala NHS. Now you could say the NHS has cost issues too, but at least they spend less than the US (everyone does..), and has better outcomes (again; almost ever OECD country does). Basically; it's hard to make it worse. I may not agree with his plan fully, but almost anything must be better than the current system (with possible exception of "Trumpcare" or whatever the GOP comes up with).

Nope, Bernie's plan is not the NHS. As Buttigieg himself said on Morning Joe, Medicare for All is a compromise position. The NHS is public funding of public health care providers, like the VA. Medicare For All, i.e., Single Payer, is public funding of private health care providers. What the centrists are offering is the same thing Obama ran on, the Public Option, but without forcing all private providers to become non-profits, like in Germany. That's a compromise of a compromise of a compromise, i.e., barely to the left of the current right wing health care system, assuming they can even pass it.

 

[ivwshane]

What candidate has a solid history of not playing the game, of speaking out about the evil of the game? In my opinion, playing the game is the game. But, I know, the game is played to win so if we have to endlessly compromise and pretend that democracy isn't dead, so be it. And meanwhile people like Trump who has no center at all will keep wining. Nobody ever has to ask themselves who Trump is. He is the obvious choice of the desperate who seek self destruction out of hopelessness. And to think that our founding fathers went up against a King. Maybe compromise is like giving away your vertebrae one at a time. The thing about Sanders I think you may be missing but isn't lost on many Democrats is that he actually deserves to win. I am willing to start with that and see what happens after that.

I’d say the guy who has been a politician since going into the workforce is probably the one playing the game the best, don’t you think?

 

[Bitek]

What does white have to do with it?

Race should not be a factor, unless you're racist.

Because half+ of the party are poc and women and again having two white ppl (esp men) is politically daft.

Plus, black ppl just saved Biden. He was Obama's VP. How's he going to turn around and select some white dude from the Midwest when his core supporters are black Southerners?

 

[Bitek]

Like Stacey Abrams?

Honestly, Biden is less in need of a black VP as is Sanders or the other candidates. But he may well go that way.

She's top of my VP draft board, but we'll see.

Other thing they are both old, so VP picks will be of consequence. Should be someone ready to step in if need be (no palins) but also prepared to lead ticket in 2024.

Anyone feel 100% that Biden or Bernie can last two whole terms?

 

[Maxima1]

I think I phrased that poorly. I don't like that they mostly focus on paying for medical care and college, without much discussion on how to reduce the cost of those items to start with.

That is one of the bigger issues with ACA, IMHO.

I'm personally fine with being taxed for the public good and I think Bernie has been the most honest on that front.

This is the stupid part because M4A ends up being relatively similar in cost for quite a bit more. A compromise should look at the components of M4A single-payer and how to reduce costs related to end-of-life care. Obamacare doesn't do enough, and now Democrats have to bleed political capital again on the issue because they half-assed the first round even with the supermajority.

Because half+ of the party are poc and women and again having two white ppl (esp men) is politically daft.

Plus, black ppl just saved Biden. He was Obama's VP. How's he going to turn around and select some white dude from the Midwest when his core supporters are black Southerners?

Blacks will get behind either Sanders or Biden without a black person on the ticket. I think it's ill-advised to put a black person on VP slot, and I don't see any of them particularly strong. Obama got a lot of racially prejudiced people to vote for him but then they defected over the racial tensions. There's just too much white people to make race a priority at the top.

 

[Bitek]

This is the stupid part because M4A ends up being relatively similar in cost for quite a bit more. A compromise should look at the components of M4A single-payer and how to reduce costs related to end-of-life care. Obamacare doesn't do enough, and now Democrats have to bleed political capital again on the issue because they half-assed the first round even with the supermajority.



Blacks will get behind either Sanders or Biden without a black person on the ticket. I think it's ill-advised to put a black person on VP slot, and I don't see any of them particularly strong. Obama got a lot of racially prejudiced people to vote for him but then they defected over the racial tensions. There's just too much white people to make race a priority at the top.

Hillary picked Tim Caine (boring, generic AF white Dad) and would be prez if black vote turned out like it did in 08 & 12.

I don't think "we can't put black people on ticket bc white ppl too racist, but please come vote for us" can fly

 

[alcoholbob]

Hillary picked Tim Caine (boring, generic AF white Dad) and would be prez if black vote turned out like it did in 08 & 12.

I don't think "we can't put black people on ticket bc white ppl too racist, but please come vote for us" can fly

Thing is the electoral college is basically winner take all and most black voters live in red states that Dems have no chance of winning, and the swings states both don't have huge black populations and have issues with voter suppression. Picking a black VP just because they are black probably won't have much an effect in winning the Midwest.

 

[Bitek]

Thing is the electoral college is basically winner take all and most black voters live in red states that Dems have no chance of winning, and the swings states both don't have huge black populations and have issues with voter suppression. Picking a black VP just because they are black probably won't have much an effect in winning the Midwest.

Not so in 16. Hillary lost ground in the turnout and lost the vote.

Meanwhile women, esp black women women saved the party in the midterms in 18.
Doug Jones is a senator only due to black women.

If blacks were more enthusiastic about Midwest white folks, then Pete (and Amy) would have got more than 0.000001% of the black vote and possibly still been in the race.
But they didn't, and they're out.

It may not exactly have to be a poc, but it has to be someone that can connect to that community, esp if they want a successor in 2024 or 28.

 

[TheVrolok]

Sounds like you agree with my post. You say Bernie is the center, therefore, anyone to his right is in the right-wing.

My real issue with Bernie is not his policies, its that I think he is a ideologue and would rather get nothing than 50%. I also dislike that neither he nor Warren focus on the cost side, only the payment side.

If Warren had a shot, she'd get my vote tomorrow, but alas I don't think she has a shot.

Absolutely my feelings.

 

[Moonbeam]

I’d say the guy who has been a politician since going into the workforce is probably the one playing the game the best, don’t you think?

His game if you want to call it that seems to me to have been to speak the same message for decades that was guaranteed to freak out the wealthy and the political establishment by telling both they had to go. That game, that truth, that reality seems only now to have become more popular owning to the evolution of the population as they have become more and more aware that the game of the rest of the politicians and the wealthy have inexorably eroded the quality of the the lives of the rest of us. People are more and more coming to the realization our only hope is in revolution.

 

[Moonbeam]

Interesting analysis here showing two polls indicating who Buttigieg's voter's "second choice" is. It's Klobuchar and Warren. I wasn't expecting Warren. Biden is third. Bloomberg and Sanders do not do well, though Bloomberg does worse than Sanders. Will be interesting to see if Warren and/or Klobuchar get a bounce from this.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/02/what-buttigieg-withdrawal-means-super-tuesday-and-rest-primary-contest/

Klobuchar is out. Looks like the conservative democrats are going to try to pass their votes to Biden. Who supported and did not support the Iraq war? There's your character and judgment test right there.