Personal attacks in P&N?

[SickBeast]

:Q

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: compuwiz1

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
SB, I just deleted your second post. Is that alright?

Yep. It might bother Olds though, so you might want to ask him as well.

Fuck Olds.

Don't make me lock you out...

 

[compuwiz1]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: compuwiz1

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
SB, I just deleted your second post. Is that alright?

Yep. It might bother Olds though, so you might want to ask him as well.

Fuck Olds.

Don't make me lock you out...

They never took your keys? I wondered what that stench was in the Mod bathroom. :laugh:

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: compuwiz1

Originally posted by: bsobel

Bill, you act like you are on a mission to stir some shit here. You were a mod, you are not now, so STFU. You'll be the last person to determine whether Harvey remains a mod. :|

Stirring shit would be setting up situations for Harvey to get himself into trouble. I'm simply commenting on the way he's acting. Remember, he harassed and called me names the entire time I was involved here. I think I have the right to comment when he does it to others.

Also, mature move blocking my PM's

Bill

Pretty good call on my part, knowing you would be PMing me to have a conversation I'm not interested in having. I refuse to discuss any of my fellow Moderators behind their backs, via PM, with any member. What I will say is that you either don't understand or recognize the tremendous contributions Harvey has made to these forums, both behind and in front of the scenes over the years. At times he had little or no support, but yet he's worked his ass off for us. I think your calling for his firing is out of line and I have no further comment.

Lulz, same shit different day. Yea, we get it, Harvey's done some good things here and that gives him a free pass to do whatever he wants. What a joke.

 

[Corn]

JD50, I replied similarly to you but thought better of it. We have legitimate complaints, there is no use diluting them with insults in this thread.

 

[compuwiz1]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: compuwiz1

Originally posted by: bsobel

Bill, you act like you are on a mission to stir some shit here. You were a mod, you are not now, so STFU. You'll be the last person to determine whether Harvey remains a mod. :|

Stirring shit would be setting up situations for Harvey to get himself into trouble. I'm simply commenting on the way he's acting. Remember, he harassed and called me names the entire time I was involved here. I think I have the right to comment when he does it to others.

Also, mature move blocking my PM's

Bill

Pretty good call on my part, knowing you would be PMing me to have a conversation I'm not interested in having. I refuse to discuss any of my fellow Moderators behind their backs, via PM, with any member. What I will say is that you either don't understand or recognize the tremendous contributions Harvey has made to these forums, both behind and in front of the scenes over the years. At times he had little or no support, but yet he's worked his ass off for us. I think your calling for his firing is out of line and I have no further comment.

Lulz, same shit different day. Yea, we get it, Harvey's done some good things here and that gives him a free pass to do whatever he wants. What a joke.

You're dealing with P&N. You guys say worse stuff than that in there, and to each other. He's got every right to conform to his environment. Can't handle that, then stay out of that forum. People throw shit around in there all day long and as soon as a mod does the same, all hell breaks loose.

* and I saw your edit.

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
You're dealing with P&N. You guys say worse stuff than that in there, and to each other. He's got every right to conform to his environment. Can't handle that, then stay out of that forum. People throw shit around in there all day long and as soon as a mod does the same, all hell breaks loose.

Simply not true. You can go over my vacation history and see that I've been sanctioned for much less greivous offenses than Harvey's tirades listed here and in previous PFI threads by other members. Perhaps he should be not "fired", but his misocnduct as a poster and a mod clearly show that he has no business moderating P&N.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: compuwiz1

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: compuwiz1

Originally posted by: bsobel

Bill, you act like you are on a mission to stir some shit here. You were a mod, you are not now, so STFU. You'll be the last person to determine whether Harvey remains a mod. :|

Stirring shit would be setting up situations for Harvey to get himself into trouble. I'm simply commenting on the way he's acting. Remember, he harassed and called me names the entire time I was involved here. I think I have the right to comment when he does it to others.

Also, mature move blocking my PM's

Bill

Pretty good call on my part, knowing you would be PMing me to have a conversation I'm not interested in having. I refuse to discuss any of my fellow Moderators behind their backs, via PM, with any member. What I will say is that you either don't understand or recognize the tremendous contributions Harvey has made to these forums, both behind and in front of the scenes over the years. At times he had little or no support, but yet he's worked his ass off for us. I think your calling for his firing is out of line and I have no further comment.

Lulz, same shit different day. Yea, we get it, Harvey's done some good things here and that gives him a free pass to do whatever he wants. What a joke.

You're dealing with P&N. You guys say worse stuff than that in there, and to each other. He's got every right to conform to his environment. Can't handle that, then stay out of that forum. People throw shit around in there all day long and as soon as a mod does the same, all hell breaks loose.

* and I saw your edit.

Please.

Originally posted by: bsobel
Hmm... Harvey telling people to eat shit, telling them to fuck off and die, calling them assholes, offering to kill other members and then moderating the thread himself.

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Suggesting that someone die or threatening to kill someone has always brought a ban.

And Harvey knows this because he banned me for it once even though I didn't suggest someone actually die, but was making an allegorical argument.

Originally posted by: alchemize
The issue here isn't personal attacks. We can all handle and dish out personal attacks. Harvey can attack with the best of them.

The issue is that Harvey moderates with a political bias. He doesn't like a poster, he finds a way to ban them (long list of examples). He doesn't like a thread, he locks it. He makes up the rules as he goes, and he is the only mod that does so. Harvey used to do it with wild abandon when mods were anonymous, he backed off some with the "new rules", and now he's back at it again.

Originally posted by: Corn
Swell, Harvey is now editing my posts in the Pelosi thread, and of course he didn't identify that he did. Just another example of him abusing his moderator powers, big suprise.

Those are the issues that are completely ignored. I edited my post for two reasons, one, I don't know you as a person so I probably shouldn't call you a joke, two, Corn is right, this isn't the place for insults.

I've given up caring long ago, Harvey can do what he wants with no recourse, fine. I'm just summing it up for you because apparently you missed the point of ALL of the posts that I just quoted. I'm done here, good luck defending this hypocrisy, it's amusing to watch.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Oh boy... none of this surprises me. I could add quite a bit more "evidence" if I went back through my archived threads but I'm not sure any would be quite as blatant as the one in the OP. If any one else had done or posted what he did, they'd be gone instantly.

Meh... par for the course i guess...

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
What I will say is that you either don't understand or recognize the tremendous contributions Harvey has made to these forums, both behind and in front of the scenes over the years. At times he had little or no support, but yet he's worked his ass off for us. I think your calling for his firing is out of line and I have no further comment.

ummm Dick Cheney spent 25 years of his life working in our government. And yet you don't see Harvey recognizing this fact and offering to forgive him for some of his later mistakes in recognition of the lifetime of work Cheney did for the American people.

Everything that Harvey has done for this forum is wonderful, but that does not excuse all of his transgressions.

The easy answer is to stop Harvey from moderating P&N (except for spammers and other cut and dry cases)

I don't understand why this idea has not been put into action before knowing Harvey's history with P&N. No one wants to remove Harvey from the forum or stop the good work he does with spammers, thieves and idiots. But we do want to see an end to his politically biases moderation of P&N.

Oh... and BTW there are 3 or 4 members in this very thread that have been given the ban stick by Harvey in the past and all of us happen to be conservatives, coincidence?

 

[SickBeast]

I would just like to say that the people here complaining about Harvey are among the most difficult people to deal with on here. I don't know how Harvey does what he does without any sort of compensation. The simple fact that he has lasted as long as he has as a P&N mod makes me think he's got to have the best interpersonal skills in the universe along with some damn good political insight.

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
I would just like to say that the people here complaining about Harvey are among the most difficult people to deal with on here. I don't know how Harvey does what he does without any sort of compensation. The simple fact that he has lasted as long as he has as a P&N mod makes me think he's got to have the best interpersonal skills in the universe along with some damn good political insight.

I know, how dare us conservatives having our "difficult" opinions. PJ is an example of one of the most vilified members on P&N, continually having to deal with viscious personal insults throughout his posting history while never (until very recently) responding in kind. Please, this must be a joke, right?

 

[SickBeast]

It has nothing to do with your political views, Corn. It has to do with the way you conduct yourselves on here, and how you guys treat your fellow members. A little bit of respect goes a long way, and if you had all done that then this thread would not even exist.

I find it hard to believe that you guys actually complain when Harvey is the only Liberal moderator on here.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
It has nothing to do with your political views, Corn. It has to do with the way you conduct yourselves on here, and how you guys treat your fellow members. A little bit of respect goes a long way, and if you had all done that then this thread would not even exist.

I find it hard to believe that you guys actually complain when Harvey is the only Liberal moderator on here.

You're joking right???

All of the MODs are liberal, except Fern and CC.

Look up a few of RedDawn's or PerkNose's posts and get back to me.

 

[Corn]

I was right, your posts are a parody.........thanks for the laugh.

Harvey, the lone liberal mod......*snicker*

 

[SickBeast]

You guys are exemplifying my point.

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
You guys are exemplifying my point.

LOL
They are right, you are wrong and a whiner.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Oh... and BTW there are 3 or 4 members in this very thread that have been given the ban stick by Harvey in the past and all of us happen to be conservatives, coincidence?

This is the second untruth you have told in this thread. The LIES stop here. Of ALL the "right" posters in this entire thread Harvey has issued a vacation to exactly ONE and just ONE TIME, and it wasn't even you, LIAR.

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
And Harvey knows this because he banned me for it once even though I didn't suggest someone actually die, but was making an allegorical argument.

This is your other LIE here. It even fooled me at first. After all, who would be such a snake as to make up such a whole cloth LIE?

Turns out YOU would. Another Mod banned you for one month for that and it was Harvey who overturned and unlocked your account, one day later.

Here's the proof for all to see:

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Where is talking the process of surrender? Talking is hopefully the process of removing grievances on both sides.

[...]

and if Carter could get Ossama to be less likely to attack us again, it would be a help.

Lemon... I want you dead. Maybe you can send your mom or dad over and we can talk about removing my main grievance, your life. :roll: (That was an analogy. While I find lemon highly annoying I don't wish him or anyone else on this forum dead. Sadly the leaders of Hamas do not feel the same way and as long as they continue to chat 'death to Israel' I don't see what can come from meeting their leaders.)

As long as my (Hamas) goal is your (Israel) death I don't think there is a whole lot we can talk about. You seem to miss that point.


As the OP-ED states all Hamas and the other radicals have to do is come out and support a two state solution and they would be well on their way to getting a real Palestinian state.

Your 'Lemon I want you dead' comment is going to cost you a month off. While many of us have differing views, we will treat each other with respect while discussin them. Your comment is so over the top, and given your existing moderation notes, be happy you're being allowed to return.

Anandtech Moderator - bsobel

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We cannot have members posting messages that can be perceived on their face as a death wish. There are too many ways to add some tag or indication that your words are intended to make a point other than a direct wish for the death of another member.

If you think you have something to say, please think a little longer about how you say it in the context of a very large open forum.

Your account is unlocked.

Harvey
Senior AnandTech Moderator

Your willingness LIE repeatedly here absolutely disgusts me. :|

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: SickBeast
It has nothing to do with your political views, Corn. It has to do with the way you conduct yourselves on here, and how you guys treat your fellow members. A little bit of respect goes a long way, and if you had all done that then this thread would not even exist.

I find it hard to believe that you guys actually complain when Harvey is the only Liberal moderator on here.

You're joking right???

All of the MODs are liberal, except Fern and CC.

Look up a few of RedDawn's or PerkNose's posts and get back to me.

Red Dawn and Perknose are damned fine people and you'll never see me complaining about them, ever, despite their liberal tendencies. (sorry guys, you know I love ya, right?)

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: SickBeast
It has nothing to do with your political views, Corn. It has to do with the way you conduct yourselves on here, and how you guys treat your fellow members. A little bit of respect goes a long way, and if you had all done that then this thread would not even exist.

I find it hard to believe that you guys actually complain when Harvey is the only Liberal moderator on here.

You're joking right???

All of the MODs are liberal, except Fern and CC.

Look up a few of RedDawn's or PerkNose's posts and get back to me.

Red Dawn and Perknose are damned fine people and you'll never see me complaining about them, ever, despite their liberal tendencies. (sorry guys, you know I love ya, right?)

Never said anything with wrong with them as posters or MODs, other than their lefty views of course

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Oh... and BTW there are 3 or 4 members in this very thread that have been given the ban stick by Harvey in the past and all of us happen to be conservatives, coincidence?

This is the second untruth you have told in this thread. The LIES stop here. Of ALL the "right" posters in this entire thread Harvey has issued a vacation to exactly ONE and just ONE TIME, and it wasn't even you, LIAR.

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
And Harvey knows this because he banned me for it once even though I didn't suggest someone actually die, but was making an allegorical argument.

This is your other LIE here. It even fooled me at first. After all, who would be such a snake as to make up such a whole cloth LIE?

Turns out YOU would. Another Mod banned you for one month for that and it was Harvey who overturned and unlocked your account, one day later.

Here's the proof for all to see:

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Where is talking the process of surrender? Talking is hopefully the process of removing grievances on both sides.

[...]

and if Carter could get Ossama to be less likely to attack us again, it would be a help.

Lemon... I want you dead. Maybe you can send your mom or dad over and we can talk about removing my main grievance, your life. :roll: (That was an analogy. While I find lemon highly annoying I don't wish him or anyone else on this forum dead. Sadly the leaders of Hamas do not feel the same way and as long as they continue to chat 'death to Israel' I don't see what can come from meeting their leaders.)

As long as my (Hamas) goal is your (Israel) death I don't think there is a whole lot we can talk about. You seem to miss that point.


As the OP-ED states all Hamas and the other radicals have to do is come out and support a two state solution and they would be well on their way to getting a real Palestinian state.

Your 'Lemon I want you dead' comment is going to cost you a month off. While many of us have differing views, we will treat each other with respect while discussin them. Your comment is so over the top, and given your existing moderation notes, be happy you're being allowed to return.

Anandtech Moderator - bsobel

---

We cannot have members posting messages that can be perceived on their face as a death wish. There are too many ways to add some tag or indication that your words are intended to make a point other than a direct wish for the death of another member.

If you think you have something to say, please think a little longer about how you say it in the context of a very large open forum.

Your account is unlocked.

Harvey
Senior AnandTech Moderator

Your willingness LIE repeatedly here absolutely disgusts me. :|

BOOOOOOO! (throws rotten produce at PJ)

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: SickBeast
It has nothing to do with your political views, Corn. It has to do with the way you conduct yourselves on here, and how you guys treat your fellow members. A little bit of respect goes a long way, and if you had all done that then this thread would not even exist.

I find it hard to believe that you guys actually complain when Harvey is the only Liberal moderator on here.

You're joking right???

All of the MODs are liberal, except Fern and CC.

Look up a few of RedDawn's or PerkNose's posts and get back to me.

Red Dawn and Perknose are damned fine people and you'll never see me complaining about them, ever, despite their liberal tendencies. (sorry guys, you know I love ya, right?)

Right back at 'ya, Tom! :lips:

 

[SickBeast]

Perknose and Red Dawn, do you consider yourselves Liberals?

 

[ProfJohn]

Perk, here is the PM I got from the MOD account in reference to the thread you quoted:

Lemon... I want you dead. Maybe you can send your mom or dad over and we can talk about removing my main grievance, your life.

Your account is temporarily locked. I posted that one for mod discussion because I don't want my personal dislike for everything you say and stand for to interfere with a fair evaluation of your post.

I don't think you truly meant to wish death for Lemon, but neither did I see any indication or any other side context to suggest you meant anything but what it says. I don't think that's ever appropriate on the forums, especially since we have a lot of international readers who could easily misunderstand your intentions.

Harvey
Senior AnandTech Moderator

So not only did Harvey lock my account, but he also admitted to have a strong personal dislike for me.

You can tell me all day long about how bsobel vacationed me, but had Harvey not gone off the deep end it is very unlikely anything would have happened.

Go back and read the thread yourself. My original post about Lemon was posted at 12pm.

The MOD PM from Harvey came at 8:47 PM, you can look since it was on the MOD account.

In between my comment and Harvey's PM we have Harvey, Rainsford and Fern all post in that thread, Harvey made several posts actually. Rainsford actually quoted me as did Fern who defended me when someone misunderstood what I meant. I explained what I meant as well.

It wasn't till Jstorm comes along at 7:31 PM and misunderstands my comment that anything happened to me.

BTW thanks for linking to the thread and locking it as well. The evidence is there for everyone to see and read for themselves.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Corn
BOOOOOOO! (throws rotten produce at PJ)

Rotten produce??? So you are throwing yourself at me?