Performance-PCS is calling me a bad customer because they sent me the wrong screws

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waffleironhead

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PPC told OP that they are working on the replacement screws. OP can request updates or be pushy on the process, but threaten to charge back without sending the units he got? That really isn't the same as requesting refund, is it?

Yes he can threaten them with that. When he is asking for a refund or threatening a charge back he is not implying that he is going to keep their product. The Op's demand was as follows.

1)send me my parts
If you can not do that then:
2)give me a refund(as in lets start the refund process because if you cant get me the parts then I want my money back{this is implied that he is going to return the product})
If they refused to either send parts or start the refund process, then:
3)charge back time.

Its a simple decision tree. I'm not sure why you are having problems following it.
 

Schmide

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PPC told OP that they are working on the replacement screws. OP can request updates or be pushy on the process, but threaten to charge back without sending the units he got? That really isn't the same as requesting refund, is it?

No. It's really not the same thing. If the company fails to deal with the warranty of the product, you can request the original contract be null and void and refuse final payment for the item. Whatever the company does to mitigate damages and retrieve the product is another issue in itself.
 

Seero

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I just noticed another gaff on the vendor's issue. Had the vendor done simple courtesy emails the sarcastic email would have been completely avoided.

Feb 14, 5AM OP wrote:
[Paraphrase] Where are my screws? Send em, or I do a charge back.
Feb 14, 8AM vendor wrote:
[Paraphrase] Chill out homes, EK screwed us, so we can't get you the screws until they get back to us.
Feb 15, 2AM OP wrote: (note this, this is 18 hours LATER)
[Paraphrase] Yo, bro I don't care what you dont got my screws, send em before I screw you.
Feb 15 <time not shown, most likely after 2AM> vendor wrote:
[paraphrase] We sent your screws yyesterday, so, STFU!
Feb 5, 5PM OP wrote:
[Paraphrase]Opened box, wrong screws, need replacement screws or refund.
Feb 5, 10PM vendor wrote:
[Paraphrase] Spoke to EK, need to know what screws to send, but will send them to you ASAP.
Feb 14, 5AM OP wrote:
[Paraphrase] Still no screws, no update, gimme screws NOW, or replacment NOW, or refund NOW, or I will charge back on my credit card!
Feb 14, 8AM vendor wrote:
[Paraphrase] We understand your frustration bro, but we have to open those boxes to fix EK's screw ups and don't know what to send you as EK didn't tell us. We can't open a box and take out screws and send it to you. We can waiting on EK's replies.
Feb 15, 2AM OP wrote: (note this, this is 18 hours LATER)
[Paraphrase] I am asking for the screws, not your excuses. EK is perfectly fine and you guys screwed it up. I will keep screwing you until I got my screws.
Feb 15 <time not shown, most likely after 2AM> vendor wrote:
[paraphrase] EK replied to us that screws are already sent yesterday, so, have a nice day.
 

Seero

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Yes he can threaten them with that. When he is asking for a refund or threatening a charge back he is not implying that he is going to keep their product. The Op's demand was as follows.

1)send me my parts
If you can not do that then:
2)give me a refund(as in lets start the refund process because if you cant get me the parts then I want my money back{this is implied that he is going to return the product})
If they refused to either send parts or start the refund process, then:
3)charge back time.

Its a simple decision tree. I'm not sure why you are having problems following it.
The parts you get is the parts PPC got from EK. PPC would have redirected this case to EK on the first day, but decided to help OP.

No. It's really not the same thing. If the company fails to deal with the warranty of the product, you can request the original contract be null and void and refuse final payment for the item. Whatever the company does to mitigate damages and retrieve the product is another issue in itself.
That is correct. At the end, screws are sent by manufacturer, and the company seek no further business with OP.
 

Schmide

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^Serro??? did you just fell like typing it a different way?

You made no point in the post 2 above.
 

Schmide

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The parts you get is the parts PPC got from EK. PPC would have redirected this case to EK on the first day, but decided to help OP.

Actually from their site, they provide the warranty for 30 days after the sale which includes replacement and repair, EK is out of the picture.
 

Schmide

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That is correct. At the end, screws are sent by manufacturer, and the company seek no further business with OP.

The screws were sent by the company (PCS). How they got from EK to PCS or if they pulled them from another item is not even a part of the issue.
 

railven

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Feb 5, 5PM OP wrote:
[Paraphrase]Opened box, wrong screws, need replacement screws or refund.
Feb 5, 10PM vendor wrote:
[Paraphrase] Spoke to EK, need to know what screws to send, but will send them to you ASAP.
Feb 14, 5AM OP wrote:
[Paraphrase] Still no screws, no update, gimme screws NOW, or replacment NOW, or refund NOW, or I will charge back on my credit card!
Feb 14, 8AM vendor wrote:
[Paraphrase] We understand your frustration bro, but we have to open those boxes to fix EK's screw ups and don't know what to send you as EK didn't tell us. We can't open a box and take out screws and send it to you. We can waiting on EK's replies.
Feb 15, 2AM OP wrote: (note this, this is 18 hours LATER)
[Paraphrase] I am asking for the screws, not your excuses. EK is perfectly fine and you guys screwed it up. I will keep screwing you until I got my screws.
Feb 15 <time not shown, most likely after 2AM> vendor wrote:
[paraphrase] EK replied to us that screws are already sent yesterday, so, have a nice day.

And you see nothing at all wrong with the convenience of the timing?

Feb 5 - OP wrote: no screws, WTB screws!
Feb 5 - Vendor wrote: I got your screws, holla!
NINE DAYS LATER
Feb 14 - OP wrote: Yo, where my screws @, dollar sign, CHARGE BACK!.
Feb 14 - Vendor wrote: Kid, we don't know, why you trippin, craig got your screws!
SOME POINT ON FEB 14 SCREWS WERE SENT
Feb 15 - OP wrote: [deleted by mod - see not below]

So, beside my colorful retelling, 9 days nothing, threat of charge back less than one day for a solution.

Hmmmmm....

Shady vendor is shady. Time to tell the customers I work with to not do business with them.


You can write "1" instead of "i", or substitute "*" for "g", or do any other cute ways to "morph" the spelling, but it still doesn't make it acceptable.

This is not OT. When you are in the tech forums, these kinds of shenanigans don't cut it.

Please do not do this again. I know you were trying to be funny, but it did not come across as funny, and some people were offended by it, and I have to agree with them.

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railven

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Oh crapped, I missed this.

It is not long ago about the Cougar Point incident. So a customer brought a mobo from, say Newegg, which consists of the problem. Yes refund from newegg is an option, but can newegg sent out new and improved mobo before manufacturer? As a customer, you can issue whatever emails demanding NOW NOW NOW and threaten about charge back in the name of broken hardware to Newegg. Is Newegg in this case at fault?

If the Cougar Issue is widely known, then yes, Newegg is most definitely at fault. If they are told to pull stock from inventory or send back to the manufacturer for exchanges but choose not to and pass it over to the customer, that is negligence.

That's like the cat food laced with poison issue: IAM issues a recall, Hannaford over at 315 Belmont St doesn't pull the product, some cat gets sick and dies - Hannaford is as liable as IAM, if not more.

Please re-read the email from OP. The very first email from OP to PPC consist of this line:

Does this seems like OP has returned the whole package s/he received? To me, OP did not ship back anything but demand the correct screws while keeping the incorrect screws. Inside the email exchange, PPC did not ask for those screws back, meaning that either PPC or EK have to pay for. This is perfectly fine as there are no reason for the OP to work for PPC or EK for free to ship those incorrect screws back. However, if OP did not ship back the whole package back, then refund or exchange are not possible as OP kept the product. That means, based upon the context of the emails, there are 3 options:
-Sent me screws now without further excuses or delays.
-Charge back on credit card while keeping whatever they have sent OP.
-Sent me a replacement unit and hope that OP will return the old one.

Woah, woah, so the OP makes a demand - screw or exchange, what does that have to do with him returning the product? You make a claim/demand, wait for a response, follow up or counter. I take it you return the item first then ask for the refund - assume this is all done via mail. If that is how you handle things, bro you're just asking to be forced to go the charge back route.

Vendors have insurances too. It isn't like Joe A just steals from them, they have means to cover the damage. And charge backs aren't as simple as a Credit Card company returns the money to the customer no questions asked. Vendors can appeal it. The only issue with this is it is more costly to the vendor than a simple exchange/refund which is why they'd rather settle it outside of the courts (which is were charge backs could end up.)

It is a reversal if you will. Customer asks vendor for satisfaction, vendor ignores customer, customer does charge back (this didn't escalate to that level regardless what fairy tales you tell yourself) so the roles are reversed, now vendor is arguing to credit card company they acted in good faith, Credit Card company gets statement from customer and etc.

You think the world works where you can just charge back a purchase AND keep the item? What credit card company is this because I'll sign up in a heart beat.

Granted, OP may be rude, but in the case where OP did charge back, then it is highly likely that OP also shipped things back. I can't say for sure as we don't know.

That is exactly why I said PPC is NOT being irresponsible. They did not refuse to fix the issue, but the resolution to the issue requires items that they don't have, which is what the OP is asking for, the screws.

First you got to stop with the assumptions and "what ifs." Argue what has been stated.

Also I never said PPC wasn't being responsible. I said they were shifting blame which is an excuse. And the OP attacked their excuse. I don't agree with the OP's manner, but he was within his rights (Just as the vendor is to block him) but of the two I'd cast unreasonable on the vendor, not the customer.

The reply was they will send those screws ASAP, meaning As Soon As Possible, which means "not NOW". OP didn't challenge this afterwards until 9 days later.

Well, he never stated how or when this was resolved. Maybe the screws were in his mailbox as he type is last email. However, if this case was still open, meaning that it was left unresolved, OP would have stated so and logically not do business with this company again.

I am not saying OP did charged back, I am asking what if OP did charged back. In this case can OP by classified as a bad customer?

Not sure where you live or where you work, but ASAP often means what it translates too - As Soon As Possible. Clearly the OP wasn't in as much as a rush since he waited 9 days. When my ASRock motherboard died on me I was on the phone with Newegg AND ASRock. I exchanged probably 5 emails alone with ASRock to get my RMA setup. I needed my main PC back up. I couldn't afford waiting 9 days for a follow up.

In the end, the customer didn't do anything to be marked as unreasonable. Waiting 9 days for an "ASAP" response to me is very lenient. If someone said "Sure, I got your stuff I'll deliver it ASAP," I'd expect it before the end of the day.

Also the resolution is clearly in the emails and the follow comments by the OP. You chose to ignore them and create scenarios in which the vendor is holier than thou. OP never did the charge back, he got his screws, and to him it was water under the bridge a he was going to be a returning customer, the vendor was clearly on the rag and must have cut themselves to release the pain as they banned the customer (haha.)
 

Schmide

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Feb 15 <time not shown, most likely after 2AM> vendor wrote:
[paraphrase] EK replied to us that screws are already sent yesterday, so, have a nice day.

Dude, I just noticed this and it is getting old. It's like you're willing to blatantly make things up just to validate some point that may or may not be half true. EK didn't reply, they're in frilling Germany and they're not going to send screws from there when they have a distributor (PCS) in the US.
 

chiddy

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Shady vendor is shady. Time to tell the customers I work with to not do business with them.

Sums it up beautifully.

I don't see how anybody in their right mind could try and pin this on the OP!
It was the vendor's responsibility to ensure the order was fulfilled as advertised.
  1. OP received order missing critical parts rendering received items useless, sends email to inquire and is told that problem would be rectified "ASAP".
  2. 9 days later, after waiting and twiddling his thumbs throughout this period (and hearing nothing), OP, rightfully pissed off, sends a strong email inquiring as to what the hell is going on - and threatening action if one of three possible solutions is not acted upon NOW (ie. EITHER send correct screws OR send replacement product OR begin refund process).
  3. Shortly afterwards vendor actually bothers to resolve the problem.

Finally, having worked in retail and customer services for a long time now, I can make a couple of statements with certainty. Mainly that there is not a single business or organisation that wants to stay in business that would treat a customer in the manner that has been outlined. Reading through this thread will show a number of examples as to what the 'correct' way of dealing with a customer - who is rightfully irate due to the incompetence of the vendor in expediting shipment of replacement parts - would be, and at the very least an apology for the inconvenience caused by keeping him waiting for 9 days should have been given, as well as assurance that the issue was being worked on, followed by ensuring that the parts are sent out ASAP as was promised 9 days previously AND keeping him fully informed throughout this process.

Why no one is commenting on the return sarcasm in the vendor's response I do not know, but as a retailer you can NEVER be sarcastic or flippant to a customer no matter how touchy or sensitive your customer service reps are. Their job is to serve the customers who provide their paychecks and in this case they have obviously failed dismally - compounded by banning him despite his willingness to overlook the incident.:thumbsdown:
 

Seero

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Actually from their site, they provide the warranty for 30 days after the sale which includes replacement and repair, EK is out of the picture.

The screws were sent by the company (PCS). How they got from EK to PCS or if they pulled them from another item is not even a part of the issue.
PPC did tried to replace those screws, but without knowing the exact part number, what should they send? Should they simply pick a few screws off the floor and ship them?

See post #13. OP stated that s/he received the screws from EK.

So, beside my colorful retelling, 9 days nothing, threat of charge back less than one day for a solution.

Hmmmmm....

Shady vendor is shady. Time to tell the customers I work with to not do business with them.
9 days it took to fulfill the ticket. To some, that is too long. To some, it is about right. This is a subjective matter. If you think that it is too long, then don't buy things from them. OP however doesn't have a problem with that as OP once again tries to buy things from them. I don't have a problem with that. Some do.

The purpose of this thread is to find out what caused the closure OP's account. Of course, the hint is right at the account itself, stating bad customer. Some believed that PPC shouldn't have done that, but those are opinions. Some believed that PPC didn't handle this properly, which is also opinions. I stated that OP is rude, but do have the right for its action. At the end, HE GOT THOSE SCREWS!!!! That is also just another opinion.

However, to PPC, they no longer have interest in doing business to OP, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND! It doesn't matter if it takes 5 more years to send another set of wrong screws, as long as OP returns, then there are no problems. OP on the other hand has a problem, wanted to buy things from PPC again, frustrated as s/he really don't think s/he deserves the title of "bad customer" after receiving opened box with wrong screws. OP strongly believed that it has absolutely nothing to do with EK and PPC opened those box for fun or it is actually returned goods.

People can have their opinions on the way PPC do business, which is fine. Some may not want to do business with PPC because of this incident, which is also fine. Some say that this can be handled better, which is true. Yet, what is actually wrong to close OP's account after all transaction had been completed? Customers have rights, but so do suppliers? Are you saying that one should be as unreasonable as possible, as barbaric as possible, and as rude as possible when they are a customer? It can be done, but should it be done? Is this the only way? I guess the question is, should they be any consequences whatoever?
 
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Seero

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Dude, I just noticed this and it is getting old. It's like you're willing to blatantly make things up just to validate some point that may or may not be half true. EK didn't reply, they're in frilling Germany and they're not going to send screws from there when they have a distributor (PCS) in the US.
Read post 13 from OP.
 

chiddy

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People can have their opinions on the way PPC do business, which is fine. Some may not want to do business with PPC because of this incident, which is also fine. Some say that this can be handled better, which is true. Yet, what is actually wrong to close OP's account after all transaction had been completed? Customers have rights, but so do suppliers? Are you saying that one should be as unreasonable as possible, as barbaric as possible, and as rude as possible when they are a customer? It can be done, but should it be done? Is this the only way? I guess the question is, should they be any consequences whatoever?

Absolutely people can and will formulate their opinions (and for me personally my opinion of PPC on the customer service front has been falling long before this particular incident), however there is no way by any stretch of imagination that the OPs emails could be considered as 'barbaric as possible' or 'as rude as possible' or even unreasonable in any way! He told them to ensure that the issue is sorted or he will! Period! As a result they got their panties in bunch, banned the OP, and are the ones that are going to lose out on future business. Thankfully they do not hold a monopoly on cooling parts.

On the flip-side, whilst a retailer is well within their rights to take actions such as these, in a niche market such as this one, bad rep does not do any good, particularly when one considers that it is not uncommon when purchasing hardware to receive faulty and incorrect parts, so the quality of after-sales service is a key consideration for many people when choosing a vendor.
 

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I have just spent the last half-hour or so reviewing the thread, mod-editing, and handing out warnings, infractions, and a vacation.

Keep to the topic (Performance-PCS, customer service, your opinion on who's fault it was, etc), or stay out of the thread. The kind of derails that happened here is completely unacceptable. I don't want to hear more about religions, gods of the west, geothermal, gas, electricity, patents, living off-the-grid, etc, from this point onwards.

On a more positive note, I would like to thank the members who have managed to disregard the derails and continued the forum debate on topic :thumbsup:

Moderator jvroig
 

Seero

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Absolutely people can and will formulate their opinions (and for me personally my opinion of PPC on the customer service front has been falling long before this particular incident), however there is no way by any stretch of imagination that the OPs emails could be considered as 'barbaric as possible' or 'as rude as possible' or even unreasonable in any way! He told them to ensure that the issue is sorted or he will! Period! As a result they got their panties in bunch, banned the OP, and are the ones that are going to lose out on future business. Thankfully they do not hold a monopoly on cooling parts.

On the flip-side, whilst a retailer is well within their rights to take actions such as these, in a niche market such as this one, bad rep does not do any good, particularly when one considers that it is not uncommon when purchasing hardware to receive faulty and incorrect parts, so the quality of after-sales service is a key consideration for many people when choosing a vendor.
I actually agree with your point of view. Like OP who got him/herself banned, the company itself will take the consequences of banning a customer.

By looking at the story told here, it is clear that there are 3 players in this game, namely OP, PPC, and EK. IMO EK messed up big times and PPC will probably deal with them. OP believed that PPC sells opened boxes as new, while in PPC's own defense they were trying to fix EK's mess. I see no reason why PPC will like to open sealed boxes, so I take that as truth. Knowing that EK sent those screws out 9 days after OP complained to PPC, I believed that PPC treated OP's case seriously. Now, PPC's rep was trying to explain the reason about the delay, not kicking the ball to another court. However OP sees it as excuses and want no more of that. OP also put his complain directly to PPC even other he received the screws from EK.

I am not saying OP tried to be as rude as possible, I said one can, but does not equates to one should. One have rights, but so does everyone else? If a customer believed that they can be unreasonable, they are right, they can, but that does not mean they should.

Now if I may ask, do you think OP is even tried to play nice? If not, then don't blame others by playing rough. I myself is a very picky customers. I also give reps a hard time if they ain't doing their job right. I don't mind a company black list me, really, and so far, I have not been black listed. A smart customer will always put themselves in a good position. Sometimes, a step back brings big discounts. OP clearly did not put him/herself in a good position. Who can the OP blame?

If, at Feb 15, 2AM OP wrote:
I understand that there is a problem between PPC and EK and the delay can be due to EK's lack of replies. I too understand you are in a difficult situation as what you can do is limited, but I have no where to go to but to seek help from professionals like you. If possible, can you please follow up with EK on this incident? Perhaps a direct phone call will cut out some of these delays. If you are not able to help me on this issue, can you please refer me to another person or perhaps a phone number which will lead me to a more direct person to speak to? I have been 9 days without PC and am typing on my friend's PC. At the very least please supply an ETA so I can decide to return the product or continue to wait. As of now I am waiting helplessly and can only hope that PPC will give me a hand. Any help will be deeply appreciated.

In the case where ETA is not possible, but please issue an RMA package so I can ship back the block and ask for a refund. I really want to get my PC up and running. Please help. Thank you very much.


Now if you are the one reading complain emails, will you help me first, or OP?
 

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After reading more of the thread, I'll be siding with the OP on this one, although he was still a jackass, but rightfully so.
 

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What i don't get is why they don't have a list of what is supposed to be in the box. They themselves said that they open the boxes to fix incorrect/missing parts one would have guessed they need a list of parts to actually determine that.
 

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While I do think the OP needs a bit more practice on tactfulness, I do completely agree that it is unacceptable to be in a blackout period for 9 days. In the end all of this could have been resolved if the Business would have been a bit more polite, and used the golden rule of giving status updates at least every 72 hours (After 3 days is around the time people start to get agitated)
 

railven

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PPC did tried to replace those screws, but without knowing the exact part number, what should they send? Should they simply pick a few screws off the floor and ship them?

See post #13. OP stated that s/he received the screws from EK.

I'm glad you mentioned post #13. OP didn't get a solution until PPC sent a carbon copy to EK. EK resolved the issue in under a day chances are when they were notified.

So PPC sat on it for 9 days until the OP contacted them at which they forwarded the responses to EK and magically the OP got his screws.

9 days it took to fulfill the ticket. To some, that is too long. To some, it is about right. This is a subjective matter. If you think that it is too long, then don't buy things from them. OP however doesn't have a problem with that as OP once again tries to buy things from them. I don't have a problem with that. Some do.

Judging from the evidence in the posts, it took 10 days from start to finish, with 9 days PPC doing nothing until finally contacting EK and EK solving the issue at hand. Glad EK cares about their customers, PPC clearly doesn't. THey earned all the bad rep from this thread and for them to comment that this thread should be deleted is even more egg on their face.

People can have their opinions on the way PPC do business, which is fine. Some may not want to do business with PPC because of this incident, which is also fine. Some say that this can be handled better, which is true. Yet, what is actually wrong to close OP's account after all transaction had been completed? Customers have rights, but so do suppliers? Are you saying that one should be as unreasonable as possible, as barbaric as possible, and as rude as possible when they are a customer? It can be done, but should it be done? Is this the only way? I guess the question is, should they be any consequences whatoever?

If you think the OP's response was 'barbaric' you have got to get out more. The OP acted like most irate customers would. He was civil, didn't threat any harm, and even showed compassion for their lack of quality control.

If this is as rude as the OP can be, then the guy is absolutely benign.
 

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I'm glad you mentioned post #13. OP didn't get a solution until PPC sent a carbon copy to EK. EK resolved the issue in under a day chances are when they were notified.

So PPC sat on it for 9 days until the OP contacted them at which they forwarded the responses to EK and magically the OP got his screws.



Judging from the evidence in the posts, it took 10 days from start to finish, with 9 days PPC doing nothing until finally contacting EK and EK solving the issue at hand. Glad EK cares about their customers, PPC clearly doesn't. THey earned all the bad rep from this thread and for them to comment that this thread should be deleted is even more egg on their face.



If you think the OP's response was 'barbaric' you have got to get out more. The OP acted like most irate customers would. He was civil, didn't threat any harm, and even showed compassion for their lack of quality control.

If this is as rude as the OP can be, then the guy is absolutely benign.
It seems your post gets more personal, which I don't know why. If you think that it is hard to deal with me while keeping your Emotion under control, then you won't survive a day dealing with customer with problems.

Also, you are the one who said that I based my argument upon assumptions, but then now you assumed that PPC sat on the issue for 9 days. So you assumed that the issue was solved in one day, even minutes. Clearly, it is your assumption and not based upon evidence. Even if you are indeed correct, you haven't answered the original question, why did OP got banned?

Once again, you repeatedly stated that 9 days is too long. I understand that, but you have to understand that this is according to your personal standard. You expect vendor should give you a daily or weekly update, which is fine, but that is only your opinion, your standard. You probably won't purchase from PPC because of that, which is fine. You are the one who decide where and what to drop your cash. Hey, I have an opinion on the fact that it takes up to 10 business days for a chance to be cashed out. So what? Is this the reason why OP got banned? If it is PPC that is complaining, then we can say "Oh you left your customer hanging for 9 days." As of now, even after 9 days of waiting, OP still wants to do business with PPC.

Again, you have to read carefully, I said one can be as blah blah blah as a customer, I didn't say OP is blah blah blah. I did said OP is rude, which is my opinion. May be to you, OP is acting politely and appropriately, which is fine.
IMO, OP was trying to play rough, and therefore they played a rough game. At the end, OP had won, because s/he is the customer. On PPC's opinion, OP is a bad customer and seek no further business with OP.
 
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PPC did tried to replace those screws, but without knowing the exact part number, what should they send? Should they simply pick a few screws off the floor and ship them?

See post #13. OP stated that s/he received the screws from EK.

The company certainly had several options at their disposal other than waiting on EK. To illustrate just how badly PPC failed, let me take you through the second email.

I understand your frustration.
Nothing wrong with this opening. Identifying with a customer can be helpful. Of course normally after understanding what the customer is going through your supposed to say your sorry as well.
But what you fail to realize is just because an EK block is opened, does not mean it's not new.
Now the problems already start, PPC just told a customer who paid his bill, did not receive what he ordered, and wants something to be done about it that "he failed" at something, while I realize that they are not accusing him of wrong doing or trying to cheat them it is very strong negative language and has not place in a reply like this from a professional outfit.

In EK history we've had to open hundreds of EK blocks to fix issues just like the one you're experiencing now. Incorrect TIM Pads, missing pads, incorrect hardware, missing hardware, incorrect instructions, defective parts..... We are doing our best to fix these parts but sometimes they make it through.
This is extraneous information the way its presented. I can understand wanting to explain whats going on, but if its not followed by an apology for the inconvenience the customer is experiencing because of the failing of their normally rigorous QA system it dosnt belong there. And in this particular case it actually contradicts later parts of the email.

And we can send you all the hardware we have, but if it's still not right then you still can't use the part. We can open another package and see what it comes with, but we'd be right back where we are now with the next customer saying it's not new.
Seriously?? Someone dealing with a frustrated customer is venting on that customer, if this was intended to do anything other than escalate the situation it is a monumental failure. PPC has lost all credibility in having professional service in my eyes with this statement alone. This is especially bad because by the change in email signatures we can tell that the shipping manager has passed this unhappy customer on to someone else to deal with, this usually means that this person should be experienced in dealing with people and has no excuse for this kind of behavior.

We are doing everything we can but without a response from EK telling us what parts we're supposed to send, we have to simply wait. I'm hoping they can answer quickly so we can get this resolved.
Ok so now lets go over the things they are not doing to help the customer. First they claim they have to routinely open large quantities of boxes to fix issues, in the next breath they say that they are unwilling to open another box to see if they have parts onsite that he needs. Now wrong parts being a routine issue I would think they would want to open all the stock they have of this waterblock to check and make sure if any of their stock has the correct screws before mailing them out to the next customer who would just be stuck with this same problem. Now after having done that and finding that none of the blocks of this model they have in stock have the correct screws that they could send him they could take an actual block to a local shop that sells screws and find the correct ones. Now going out and finding the screws elsewhere really would be going the extra mile, but to claim you are doing everything you can when all you are doing is sitting on your butt waiting for someone else to do anything and not even checking another box if it has the correct parts is just another inflammatory remark that is making the situation worse, not better.
We'll Priority Mail the parts out as soon as they respond to us.
Now this dosnt really sound that bad, except for him seemingly saying that he believes they have the part somewhere, but other than waiting on someone else to tell them which, they are either to incompetent or to lazy to figure out which it is. In this whole email there is not one single apology. Not for sending the wrong parts, not for failing to giving him a status update, nothing. All I see in this whole email is a person who sold bad goods to someone trying to claim that they did nothing wrong.
Best Regards,
James "Levell0rd" Davis, Performance-PCs.com
Now this is I suppose what I would expect from the person who writes an inflammatory email to an already upset customer, a leetspeak nickname as part of his signature. Now since this is the guy the shipping manager passed the angry customer off too, and the customer was labeled as unreasonable and his account closed I have to assume that this guy is not a peon but rather high up the food chain at PPC. If the top people at PPC consider that email to be customer service I am grateful that I have never had to deal with them.

The purpose of this thread is to find out what caused the closure OP's account.

Well from where I sit it looks like the account was closed because a big shot at PPC didnt like that a customer did not responded to his rude and inept attempt at customer service with the patience and friendliness that most people excpect from a customer service representative.
 

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Well from where I sit it looks like the account was closed because a big shot at PPC didnt like that a customer did not responded to his rude and inept attempt at customer service with the patience and friendliness that most people excpect from a customer service representative.


Bingo!
we have a winner.
 

waffleironhead

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If anyone wants to go thru the reseller ratings of ppc, There are a surprising amount of people claiming to be blacklisted. Not only does PPC fire customers, there are claims that they have the audacity to send your contact info out to other retailers to warn them about you.
 

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If anyone wants to go thru the reseller ratings of ppc, There are a surprising amount of people claiming to be blacklisted. Not only does PPC fire customers, there are claims that they have the audacity to send your contact info out to other retailers to warn them about you.

now that is messed up o_O