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Originally posted by: txrandom
Since when did you do permission to recline your own seat?
QFT.
Fly business/first class if you have a problem with space.
Originally posted by: txrandom
Since when did you do permission to recline your own seat?
Originally posted by: dainthomas
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
I paid for the seat, blow me.
If you want to recline without pissing someone off, buy first class cheapskate.
When someone does that in front of me, my knees usually end up in their seat. Normally a few minutes of me tapping my legs to a song on my ipod gets them to readjust it to the normal position.
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Originally posted by: LS21
Originally posted by: Turkish
This is why I fly C or J almost exclusively. Airlines should add more business class seats anyways as they lose money on Y.
uh have you noticed how many international C/J/F/Z are empty recently? domestic are only full because of upgrades (complimentary or otherwise)
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: JEDI
Originally posted by: thegimp03
Well, they paid for it, they can do whatever they want with it. Usually when people in front of me try to recline their seat I subtly put my knees up against it to keep it so it won't budge. Then they creen their neck around to see what's going on and I'm like, oh, that's my knee you're pushing against.
i would say:
"can you move your knee? i would like to recline my seat."
I would say:
"No."
You don't have to ask to recline with me, you just won't be able to.![]()
Wanna bet?
I have had one argument with someone about reclining and have seen many others and I can tell you the flight attendants WILL take my side. If you continue to refuse, they will move you, not me, even if the flight is full. Ever sit in a jump seat for an entire flight? That's just what I've seen happen in other passenger disputes when a passenger refuses to leave another alone.
Do NOT make the mistake of thinking you are right just because you have been able to bully a few meek people on a plane before. It won't happen with me. I'll go to jail before I'll let someone like you take away the seat functions I paid for.
Repeat after me: Your freakish height is not my problem, nor will I ever let you make it my problem.
Now, go to my first post in the thread and see how I proved that leg room does NOT suffer when the seat is reclined. For you to stop a person from reclining or lose space for your knees, even at 6"5', you would have to LIFT your feet off the ground and raise your knees.
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: Amused
Wanna bet?
I have had one argument with someone about reclining and have seen many others and I can tell you the flight attendants WILL take my side. If you continue to refuse, they will move you, not me, even if the flight is full. Ever sit in a jump seat for an entire flight? That's just what I've seen happen in other passenger disputes when a passenger refuses to leave another alone.
Do NOT make the mistake of thinking you are right just because you have been able to bully a few meek people on a plane before. It won't happen with me. I'll go to jail before I'll let someone like you take away the seat functions I paid for.
Repeat after me: Your freakish height is not my problem, nor will I ever let you make it my problem.
Now, go to my first post in the thread and see how I proved that leg room does NOT suffer when the seat is reclined. For you to stop a person from reclining or lose space for your knees, even at 6"5', you would have to LIFT your feet off the ground and raise your knees.
You've got it all wrong. I'm not the bully, YOU are. We both have the same space at the beginning of the flight, YOU want to reduce MY space to make yourself more comfortable. And me refusing to let you discomfort me to make yourself more comfortable will not fly with me. You want more room so you can recline like you are at home, YOU buy the more expensive seat. You know damn well it's cramped enough as it is, but you don't care, you want to recline no matter how uncomfortable it makes the other person behind you feel. I'm using the same amount of space as I did when the flight started, you are going to do the same.
And if you want to escalate it, feel free to. I'll take it as far as you want to go.
Originally posted by: Turkish
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: JEDI
Originally posted by: thegimp03
Well, they paid for it, they can do whatever they want with it. Usually when people in front of me try to recline their seat I subtly put my knees up against it to keep it so it won't budge. Then they creen their neck around to see what's going on and I'm like, oh, that's my knee you're pushing against.
i would say:
"can you move your knee? i would like to recline my seat."
I would say:
"No."
You don't have to ask to recline with me, you just won't be able to.![]()
Wanna bet?
I have had one argument with someone about reclining and have seen many others and I can tell you the flight attendants WILL take my side. If you continue to refuse, they will move you, not me, even if the flight is full. Ever sit in a jump seat for an entire flight? That's just what I've seen happen in other passenger disputes when a passenger refuses to leave another alone.
Do NOT make the mistake of thinking you are right just because you have been able to bully a few meek people on a plane before. It won't happen with me. I'll go to jail before I'll let someone like you take away the seat functions I paid for.
Repeat after me: Your freakish height is not my problem, nor will I ever let you make it my problem.
Now, go to my first post in the thread and see how I proved that leg room does NOT suffer when the seat is reclined. For you to stop a person from reclining or lose space for your knees, even at 6"5', you would have to LIFT your feet off the ground and raise your knees.
First of all, as someone who has taken 70+ European, 30+ transatlantic flights in the past 10 years, you are full of shit. I don't know about the U.S. but in Europe, seating a passenger at the jump seat is illegal and will cost a fortune to the airline in two steps: local air authority fines + when the passenger sues in court. I am pretty sure it is the same in the U.S.
Second, if there are empty seats, yes, the flight attendant will ask the JackBurton to move to another seat but there's nothing she can do if the flight is full. Capt Caveman will have to suck it up and complain to the airline post-flight as this is the best way to do it for everyone. Trust me, unless you are a bitch, they'll listen and try to compensate.
Third, if you are the type of person who would be willing to go to jail for your seat's recline, you are the type of person who shouldn't be allowed on an airplane in the first place.
Some of you ethugs have no clue when it comes to flyer manners.
Originally posted by: Locut0s
Originally posted by: dainthomas
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
I paid for the seat, blow me.
If you want to recline without pissing someone off, buy first class cheapskate.
When someone does that in front of me, my knees usually end up in their seat. Normally a few minutes of me tapping my legs to a song on my ipod gets them to readjust it to the normal position.
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Not saying you or the OP is wrong about the topic but seriously....
edit for elitism failure. Seriously buying econo on flights is being a cheapskate? Must be nice to be that loaded!
Originally posted by: Turkish
Originally posted by: LS21
Originally posted by: Turkish
This is why I fly C or J almost exclusively. Airlines should add more business class seats anyways as they lose money on Y.
uh have you noticed how many international C/J/F/Z are empty recently? domestic are only full because of upgrades (complimentary or otherwise)
Not with neither Turkish Airlines nor SA, which are pretty much the only ones I fly with (Star Alliance) as all the rest has gone deep down the shithole. You know which airlines have empty CJFZ? The ones who claim to have business class seats which are only premium economy. Their seats suck (Delta, US Air, AA, Air France, many more), meals and drinks don't compare, facilities lack, etc. but hey, it's business class so they think they can charge 2x for it. Blow me. If the price is 2x, it better be 2x the quality. Not "just better than economy".
The only other tolerable ones from the western hemisphere are BA and Virgin but connecting through UK makes zero sense to me as I mainly fly between Turkey, Spain, Germany, and the U.S. (not recently). Never bothered with Virgin though as they don't have any decent connections.
Originally posted by: erub
Originally posted by: Turkish
Originally posted by: LS21
Originally posted by: Turkish
This is why I fly C or J almost exclusively. Airlines should add more business class seats anyways as they lose money on Y.
uh have you noticed how many international C/J/F/Z are empty recently? domestic are only full because of upgrades (complimentary or otherwise)
Not with neither Turkish Airlines nor SA, which are pretty much the only ones I fly with (Star Alliance) as all the rest has gone deep down the shithole. You know which airlines have empty CJFZ? The ones who claim to have business class seats which are only premium economy. Their seats suck (Delta, US Air, AA, Air France, many more), meals and drinks don't compare, facilities lack, etc. but hey, it's business class so they think they can charge 2x for it. Blow me. If the price is 2x, it better be 2x the quality. Not "just better than economy".
The only other tolerable ones from the western hemisphere are BA and Virgin but connecting through UK makes zero sense to me as I mainly fly between Turkey, Spain, Germany, and the U.S. (not recently). Never bothered with Virgin though as they don't have any decent connections.
US Air is Star Alliance. So basically United in the US passes your sniff test, well the rest of them have the same facilities as United here in the USA. And flying first or business is often well more than 2x the cost..I'd say 4 or 5 times on average, up to 10x in some cases.
Originally posted by: jiggahertz
I've never had anyone ask me before they recline. I don't think legroom even occurs to short people. At 6'4" my knees go to the back of the seat in front of me when I'm seated normal. That's why I do everything I can to get an exit row. On the few occasions where people have slammed back into my knees, they either figure their seat is broken or I politely tell them that I'm sorry but my legs extend to the back of their seat. 99% of the time people get that it's cramped enough in coach.
Originally posted by: Turkish
Originally posted by: erub
Originally posted by: Turkish
Originally posted by: LS21
Originally posted by: Turkish
This is why I fly C or J almost exclusively. Airlines should add more business class seats anyways as they lose money on Y.
uh have you noticed how many international C/J/F/Z are empty recently? domestic are only full because of upgrades (complimentary or otherwise)
Not with neither Turkish Airlines nor SA, which are pretty much the only ones I fly with (Star Alliance) as all the rest has gone deep down the shithole. You know which airlines have empty CJFZ? The ones who claim to have business class seats which are only premium economy. Their seats suck (Delta, US Air, AA, Air France, many more), meals and drinks don't compare, facilities lack, etc. but hey, it's business class so they think they can charge 2x for it. Blow me. If the price is 2x, it better be 2x the quality. Not "just better than economy".
The only other tolerable ones from the western hemisphere are BA and Virgin but connecting through UK makes zero sense to me as I mainly fly between Turkey, Spain, Germany, and the U.S. (not recently). Never bothered with Virgin though as they don't have any decent connections.
US Air is Star Alliance. So basically United in the US passes your sniff test, well the rest of them have the same facilities as United here in the USA. And flying first or business is often well more than 2x the cost..I'd say 4 or 5 times on average, up to 10x in some cases.
That's why you need to join Flyertalk.com forums and get sweet dealsAlso, its just my experience US Air is no different than the rest of US based airlines. Their C class service is subpar even when compared to low cost/high volume Europe based airlines. And I just didn't think of United at the time. They are crap too. Don't you agree?
Originally posted by: marvdmartian
Honestly, charging for the first checked bag was the dumbest idea that the airlines have had, in recent memory. Especially so now, since they won't take the time to tell people their carry on is too big, and they have to gate check it. :|
Originally posted by: destrekor
shit yeah. I usually fly Southwest whenever I fly on my own money, and always try and do online check-in early enough so I can get 'A' group. Then, I just line up pretty early so that when they board A, I'm pretty close to the front of the line, if not the front. And then I grab one of the seats in the front row. So much legroom and can keep my bookbag right there with no issue.
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Now if a LARGE person sits next to me on a plane then we can talk about my space being restricted.
Maybe LARGE people should have to ask to sit next to you, because you're going to lose personal space and comfort level there too.![]()
Originally posted by: dainthomas
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
I paid for the seat, blow me.
If you want to recline without pissing someone off, buy first class cheapskate.
When someone does that in front of me, my knees usually end up in their seat. Normally a few minutes of me tapping my legs to a song on my ipod gets them to readjust it to the normal position.
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Originally posted by: BeauJangles
Originally posted by: dainthomas
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
I paid for the seat, blow me.
If you want to recline without pissing someone off, buy first class cheapskate.
When someone does that in front of me, my knees usually end up in their seat. Normally a few minutes of me tapping my legs to a song on my ipod gets them to readjust it to the normal position.
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Good work, Mr. Passive-Aggressive!
Originally posted by: kalrith
That's why they created the Knee Defender.
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: kalrith
That's why they created the Knee Defender.
Try using one of those and see what happens.
The flight attendent will take it away from you for the duration of the flight.
Every US airline has banned the use of them and will take them away from you if found. If I find them before a flight attandent, you'll never get them back.
Originally posted by: kalrith
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: kalrith
That's why they created the Knee Defender.
Try using one of those and see what happens.
The flight attendent will take it away from you for the duration of the flight.
Every US airline has banned the use of them and will take them away from you if found. If I find them before a flight attandent, you'll never get them back.
Source? I looked and found that Northwest banned them (source), but it was because it could damage the tray if someone tried to force their seat back with the knee defender installed.
And from this article: "In the US, the Federal Aviation Authority (FAA) has indicated that Knee Defenders can be used on flights."
