People who put M.S. as a suffix behind their name in email signatures...

[Hacp]

Shall I send you a copy of my BS and MBA (from accredited school and not some internet/make believe school) and prove that YOU are the true asshole? Wanna take on me and be my bitch?

Who is the true dumb ass now and doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about? Stay in school and keep playing WOW with your buddies, kid.

For the poster that cited wiki, yeah, is that the same source said Ted Kennedy died BEFORE he was dead and other huge discrepancies? LOL

I would actually love to see your BS and MBA. Could you please provide us with a copy?

 

[Sea Moose]

I would actually love to see your BS and MBA. Could you please provide us with a copy?

Yup, proof is required or eits wins.



Sea Moose Hvac Mechanic Extraordinaire

 

[Zargon]

Except the requirements for a JD more closely match those of a master's in any other field.

my father in law has a phd in education and gets made when people mail him stuff and it doest say Dr on it

I see the work my wife is doing for her Master in Education and its a damn joke, a calc class is harder than most of what they do to get their PhD

I hope my MIS Masters program I need to go to is as easy

 

[krunchykrome]

DR? Whats a DR?

lo, i meant MD

 

[Babbles]

QFT.

I LOL @ secretaries called themselves "management assistants"...lol, you ARE the secretary, you are NOT in any types of management whatsoever.

I only call people "doctors" if and only if they are MDs. Name if they have PhD on whatever degree.

That is sort of unfair and bias against people who have "real" doctorates, i.e. PhDs. People who have done original research in their respective field and have defended that research should be construed, at the lest, the same sort of salutary respect of somebody who has a "lower" tiered degree.

We are required to have our certs such as CPA, CISA, CIA, etc. on our work email and work business cards. I would not be caugh dead with BS and MBA or any certs that I have in my non work related emails and business cards.

I think it is quite reasonable to have your degrees and certifications on your business cards, it would be silly not to. I do not include any sort of "credentials" in my personal email, but at my previous work we were required to use such certifications (as noted in a previous posting of mine) in communication or documents.

Like another poster said, show your competency/intelligence with your works, not your email/business card.

This too is just silly; it's akin to saying you can't judge a book by it's cover. Bullshit.
How you represent yourself be it in an email or business card - or numerous other devices - provides people with an indication of your competencies. When I went to industry conferences or dealt with clients knowing if they had a PhD, MBA, BS, or BA, combination thereof - or whatever - was useful in determining how to best communicate with them.

With a sense of irony I would tend to think your inability to understand this is an indication of your competency and intelligence.

 

[Gulzakar]

I wonder if Doctor Dre has the same issues.

 

[rocadelpunk]

Coming from a math/engineering background I'm embarrassed by my M.Ed from a supposed top 15 program. I barely lifted a finger to get a 3.96 gpa. It was a joke, however I love teaching and it makes a difference in salary.

 

[meltdown75]

i put B.A. behind my name, at all times.............

baahhahahahaHAhAhaHahAhAhahahah

yeah.. no. my ex has like 78 acronyms behind her name. but not PhD. burnnnn haha

 

[LegendKiller]

How you represent yourself be it in an email or business card - or numerous other devices - provides people with an indication of your competencies. When I went to industry conferences or dealt with clients knowing if they had a PhD, MBA, BS, or BA, combination thereof - or whatever - was useful in determining how to best communicate with them.

This is the problem, you think you need to address them in any different manner than you address anybody else in business.

I work in i-banking, I have to deal with guys with just a sociology BA to guys who have JD/MBAs from Yale, Harvard...etc. Very few, if any, put JD after their names in cards, or email sig blocks, it's stupid. NONE put MBA.

In fact, if I saw a guy put MBA after his name in an email, I'd circulate it around the office to give everybody a joke for the day.

There's very few acronyms that belong after a name, a CPA, CFA, CFP (or other professional designation), or a JD. Even with a JD VERY few attorneys put it after their name (same with Esq). Actual medical doctors can put whatever they want, as well as their acronyms for professional specialties.

Maybe you're in an industry where such pandering and blatant silliness is paramount, but in the real world, only complete tools put degrees after their name.

Knowing somebody's street cred, as a justification for this stupidity, is ridiculous. Either somebody's got it, or they don't. Putting MBA, MS, or whatever after their name doesn't give somebody cred.

In my personal experience, the people who feel a need to put that stuff after their name (JD, MBA,BA,MS) are the ones who either lack class, went to a lower tier school, or are desperate for attention (or some combination of all).

 

[Babbles]

This is the problem, you think you need to address them in any different manner than you address anybody else in business.

I work in i-banking, I have to deal with guys with just a sociology BA to guys who have JD/MBAs from Yale, Harvard...etc. Very few, if any, put JD after their names in cards, or email sig blocks, it's stupid. NONE put MBA.

In fact, if I saw a guy put MBA after his name in an email, I'd circulate it around the office to give everybody a joke for the day.

There's very few acronyms that belong after a name, a CPA, CFA, CFP (or other professional designation), or a JD. Even with a JD VERY few attorneys put it after their name (same with Esq). Actual medical doctors can put whatever they want, as well as their acronyms for professional specialties.

Maybe you're in an industry where such pandering and blatant silliness is paramount, but in the real world, only complete tools put degrees after their name.

Pharmaceutical research.

Or rather I was until I went back to school to work on my MBA. I supposed as a research scientist using analytical equipment I was sort of, by definition, a scientific tool. . .

Also an MBA is a professional degree like a JD or MD, so there does seem to be some sort of double standard of sorts.

Knowing somebody's street cred, as a justification for this stupidity, is ridiculous. Either somebody's got it, or they don't. Putting MBA, MS, or whatever after their name doesn't give somebody cred.

In my personal experience, the people who feel a need to put that stuff after their name (JD, MBA,BA,MS) are the ones who either lack class, went to a lower tier school, or are desperate for attention (or some combination of all).

If you took a moment, which you obviously failed to do so, I addressed this on first page of this thread. I will repeat myself as well as elaborate some. First off, many pharma & biotech companies have it in their Standard Operating Procedures (SOP) to cite all credentials regardless of how some ATOT person feels bout it. This appears to be an industry standard where in turn these analytical reports are guided by FDA regulations (e.g. 21 CFR Part 58 for preclinical studies).

Silly industry, indeed.

Additionally as one can imagine many of these big pharma companies employee a boatload of people who are not scientists. I would get a shit ton of email a day, and knowing if somebody was a business person would guide how much technical jargon I would use. For example they would likely care less, or not understand, something like column breakthrough contaminating a double blank or that an accuracy precision study relative percent error was outside of the protocol requirements. Furthermore quite often a Study Director or Principal Investigator has a MBA in addition to a B.S., M.S., or PhD. If I received correspondence from somebody who had only MBA after their name I may not be clear if this is just a straight up business person who may not want technical details or if they have a scientific background and as such may need or want the details. If somebody has B.S., MBA (or M.S., MBA) at the end of their name then I know they are a scientist person who happens to have a MBA.

As shocking as it may be for you, an individual's background may impact how you should communicate to them. I fail to understand why this is apparently difficult to grasp.

 

[alkemyst]

This is the problem, you think you need to address them in any different manner than you address anybody else in business.

I work in i-banking, I have to deal with guys with just a sociology BA to guys who have JD/MBAs from Yale, Harvard...etc. Very few, if any, put JD after their names in cards, or email sig blocks, it's stupid. NONE put MBA.

In fact, if I saw a guy put MBA after his name in an email, I'd circulate it around the office to give everybody a joke for the day.

There's very few acronyms that belong after a name, a CPA, CFA, CFP (or other professional designation), or a JD. Even with a JD VERY few attorneys put it after their name (same with Esq). Actual medical doctors can put whatever they want, as well as their acronyms for professional specialties.

Maybe you're in an industry where such pandering and blatant silliness is paramount, but in the real world, only complete tools put degrees after their name.

Knowing somebody's street cred, as a justification for this stupidity, is ridiculous. Either somebody's got it, or they don't. Putting MBA, MS, or whatever after their name doesn't give somebody cred.

In my personal experience, the people who feel a need to put that stuff after their name (JD, MBA,BA,MS) are the ones who either lack class, went to a lower tier school, or are desperate for attention (or some combination of all).

the MBA part is funny because many companies want to see that. Adding in the 'street cred' part shows why.

I am sure you are in some overpaid position somewhere based on luck rather than skill/knowledge though.

Titles are earned in life and there is a reason they exist.

 

[LegendKiller]

the MBA part is funny because many companies want to see that. Adding in the 'street cred' part shows why.

I am sure you are in some overpaid position somewhere based on luck rather than skill/knowledge though.

Titles are earned in life and there is a reason they exist.

Maybe companies where it matters a lot. Where I work, there's 15 MBAs in a 20' radius, who cares?

Yeah, that's it. I've survived the downturn in i-banking, and have been promoted, based on luck. Same with passing all 3 of the CFA exams on the first try. Only ~5% of people are able to do that, all lucky, of course.

Nice try buttplug.

 

[LegendKiller]

Pharmaceutical research.

Or rather I was until I went back to school to work on my MBA. I supposed as a research scientist using analytical equipment I was sort of, by definition, a scientific tool. . .

Also an MBA is a professional degree like a JD or MD, so there does seem to be some sort of double standard of sorts.



If you took a moment, which you obviously failed to do so, I addressed this on first page of this thread. I will repeat myself as well as elaborate some. First off, many pharma & biotech companies have it in their Standard Operating Procedures (SOP) to cite all credentials regardless of how some ATOT person feels bout it. This appears to be an industry standard where in turn these analytical reports are guided by FDA regulations (e.g. 21 CFR Part 58 for preclinical studies).

Silly industry, indeed.

Additionally as one can imagine many of these big pharma companies employee a boatload of people who are not scientists. I would get a shit ton of email a day, and knowing if somebody was a business person would guide how much technical jargon I would use. For example they would likely care less, or not understand, something like column breakthrough contaminating a double blank or that an accuracy precision study relative percent error was outside of the protocol requirements. Furthermore quite often a Study Director or Principal Investigator has a MBA in addition to a B.S., M.S., or PhD. If I received correspondence from somebody who had only MBA after their name I may not be clear if this is just a straight up business person who may not want technical details or if they have a scientific background and as such may need or want the details. If somebody has B.S., MBA (or M.S., MBA) at the end of their name then I know they are a scientist person who happens to have a MBA.

As shocking as it may be for you, an individual's background may impact how you should communicate to them. I fail to understand why this is apparently difficult to grasp.

I suppose there may be a point to those distinctions, considering the diverse population you may converse with.

The one I do is far more homogeneous, which would lead to my derision of those who put those types of acronyms after their name.

 

[eits]

Shall I send you a copy of my BS and MBA (from accredited school and not some internet/make believe school) and prove that YOU are the true asshole? Wanna take on me and be my bitch?

Who is the true dumb ass now and doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about? Stay in school and keep playing WOW with your buddies, kid.

For the poster that cited wiki, yeah, is that the same source said Ted Kennedy died BEFORE he was dead and other huge discrepancies? LOL

i think my left and right nuts have a bs and mba respectively.

if you want to call those "credentials" enough for you to swing your big e-dick around enough to arrogantly belittle people who actually achieved certifications and qualifications to do certain things that others cannot, then go for it. i won't stop you from social self-ownage.

 

[eits]

Shall I send you a copy of my BS and MBA (from accredited school and not some internet/make believe school) and prove that YOU are the true asshole? Wanna take on me and be my bitch?

Who is the true dumb ass now and doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about? Stay in school and keep playing WOW with your buddies, kid.

For the poster that cited wiki, yeah, is that the same source said Ted Kennedy died BEFORE he was dead and other huge discrepancies? LOL

by the way, i refer back to what i originally said and you quoted.

and in order to get to show off your works, you need to let people know you have the ability and credentials in order to.

imo, you're a dumbass who doesn't know what he's talking about. either that or you're just sour at the fact that you have no credentials.

so, ok... show me your credentials... then explain to me, based on what you quoted me posting, how in the hell you "win" by posting your credentials?

 

[Svnla]

That is sort of unfair and bias against people who have "real" doctorates, i.e. PhDs. People who have done original research in their respective field and have defended that research should be construed, at the lest, the same sort of salutary respect of somebody who has a "lower" tiered degree.

I have no qualms with anyone with PhD on whatever degree. I just refer to call "Dr" to those with MDs. That is my reference. If you want to do otherwise, knock yourself out. Where did I say anything disrespect to PhDs in my previous post? If I said something like this "Hey, ONLY MDs are REAL doctors, PhDs and others are just losers/posers/pretenders", then I can see your point.
You can do a search and see if I ever bashed any degrees/disciplines.

I think it is quite reasonable to have your degrees and certifications on your business cards, it would be silly not to. I do not include any sort of "credentials" in my personal email, but at my previous work we were required to use such certifications (as noted in a previous posting of mine) in communication or documents.

I think we are about 90+% in agreement here.

This too is just silly; it's akin to saying you can't judge a book by it's cover. Bullshit.
How you represent yourself be it in an email or business card - or numerous other devices - provides people with an indication of your competencies. When I went to industry conferences or dealt with clients knowing if they had a PhD, MBA, BS, or BA, combination thereof - or whatever - was useful in determining how to best communicate with them.
With a sense of irony I would tend to think your inability to understand this is an indication of your competency and intelligence.

I believe LK already said it very well in his previous post and I am not going to repeat it again. Maybe in your industry, it is a requirement/protocol to do so but in all the industries that I worked at (automotive QC, hotel/entertainment, government related, etc.), it is the results/bottom line, not the letters on your email/business card .

Funny how you couldn't see the differences and tried to belittle my intelligence. Something about those live in the glass house shall not cast the first stone. Oh, the irony!!!. But heck, what do I know, I do not have a PhD.

eits, either you are game or not. We can make a friendly bet and loser will have to pay? I am just from the old school, put up or shut the hell up. You were the asshole with name calling and acted like a typical internet touch guy, little boy.

 

[eits]

eits, either you are game or not. We can make a friendly bet and loser will have to pay? I am just from the old school, put up or shut the hell up. You were the asshole with name calling and acted like a typical internet touch guy, little boy.

uh, look numbnuts... i said that you're either a dumbass who doesn't know what he's talking about OR you're bitter over not having certifications. if you prove that you've got certifications and want to prove it, then that just means that you're a dumbass who doesn't know what the hell you're talking about.

you're trying to bet me money that you have certifications.

at this point, i'm just going to go ahead and let you continue proving my original assertion about you.

 

[Svnla]

In my very first post in this thread, I said this

QFT.

I LOL @ secretaries called themselves "management assistants"...lol, you ARE the secretary, you are NOT in any types of management whatsoever.

I only call people "doctors" if and only if they are MDs. Name if they have PhD on whatever degree.

We are required to have our certs such as CPA, CISA, CIA, etc. on our work email and work business cards. I would not be caugh dead with BS and MBA or any certs that I have in my non work related emails and business cards.

Like another poster said, show your competency/intelligence with your works, not your email/business card.

and your replies were

and in order to get to show off your works, you need to let people know you have the ability and credentials in order to.

imo, you're a dumbass who doesn't know what he's talking about. either that or you're just sour at the fact that you have no credentials

.

and

he's a moron... you'll have to forgive him.

Ladies and gentlemen of ATOT, who was the one that acted like a typical internet tough guy? Who was the one to swing the big e-dick around enough to arrogantly belittle people?? Who was the one that used name calling?

You see the difference between your replies and Hacp/Babbles? See how I replied to you and your kind vs. them? Stop before you dig yourself deeper.

<<------ just following the Golden Rule (see sign below)

/thread

 

[KLin]

I always liked Russ's signature.

NCNE

 

[alkemyst]

Maybe companies where it matters a lot. Where I work, there's 15 MBAs in a 20' radius, who cares?

Yeah, that's it. I've survived the downturn in i-banking, and have been promoted, based on luck. Same with passing all 3 of the CFA exams on the first try. Only ~5% of people are able to do that, all lucky, of course.

Nice try buttplug.

wow impressive...didn't know CFA exams took people multiple times to pass when one prepared. I think it has more to do with every flunky thinking they are going to be Gecko Gordon on day.

you have it all figured out though, why not put that stat on your business cards then?

As a sophomore in college I scored 90th %ile on my PCATs...didn't think much of that, but the pharmacy colleges were calling like crazy. Got accepted prior to my AA degree.

 

[LegendKiller]

wow impressive...didn't know CFA exams took people multiple times to pass when one prepared. I think it has more to do with every flunky thinking they are going to be Gecko Gordon on day.

you have it all figured out though, why not put that stat on your business cards then?

As a sophomore in college I scored 90th &#37;ile on my PCATs...didn't think much of that, but the pharmacy colleges were calling like crazy. Got accepted prior to my AA degree.

Most people do take it multiple times. Of course, you wouldn't know about prep on that level, you'd never hack it.

Awe, look at you now, a mortgage guy at some shithole place. Ain't that cute.

I know why you're in this thread, it isn't working chucklehead. Take your shithole mortgages and go somewhere else.

 

[SunnyD]

I sign all my emails "Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman".

 

[alkemyst]

Most people do take it multiple times. Of course, you wouldn't know about prep on that level, you'd never hack it.

Awe, look at you now, a mortgage guy at some shithole place. Ain't that cute.

I know why you're in this thread, it isn't working chucklehead. Take your shithole mortgages and go somewhere else.

ahh CFA exams are more challenging than MCAT and PCATs? whodathunkit.

I am not a mortgage 'guy', I work for a mortgage company though.

 

[meltdown75]

i sign all my emails "dr. Quinn, medicine woman".

lmfao

 

[RKS]

What is the designation for high school? H.S. or GED?

I am going to add all of my certifications.