People who put M.S. as a suffix behind their name in email signatures...

[uli2000]

I work in healthcare, and it seems like the less education you have, the more ridiculous credentials you flash behind your name. Stupid shit like ACLS, PALS, NRP, and other one day classes they take. Ridiculous.

 

[eits]

I work in healthcare, and it seems like the less education you have, the more ridiculous credentials you flash behind your name. Stupid shit like ACLS, PALS, NRP, and other one day classes they take. Ridiculous.

i disagree. most people who flash the credentials after their names are able to BECAUSE they have more education. they are certified in whatever it is after their names and they want people to know who to go to in case they need someone who can do what they do. for example, i wouldn't ask a phd to read an x-ray... i'd ask a dacbr.

 

[Howard]

I like Hiltis.

The Bosch 11236VS is pretty good bang for the buck. $330 at McMaster-Carr - using one currently.

 

[Sea Moose]

Sea Moose Hvac

 

[Rubycon]

The Bosch 11236VS is pretty good bang for the buck. $330 at McMaster-Carr - using one currently.

Bosch tools pretty good these days?

I remember AEG from the 1980's that were nice. I believe AEG is a part of Milwakee now. Long live the Sawzall!

 

[MotionMan]

You an attorney or something?

Something like that.

MotionMan, Esq.

 

[krunchykrome]

It's ridiculous to include M.S. in your sig. It makes you look like an underachieving pretentious fool.

Acceptable items to include in your sig are ESQ, JD, CPA, DR, and maybe a few more. MBA can be acceptable as well for work purposes.

I had a biology instructor who include B.S. and M.S in her sig. She had no idea that students found it funny. I can only imagine what her colleagues thought.

 

[Svnla]

......it seems like the less education you have, the more ridiculous credentials you flash behind your name.....Ridiculous.

QFT.

I LOL @ secretaries called themselves "management assistants"...lol, you ARE the secretary, you are NOT in any types of management whatsoever.

I only call people "doctors" if and only if they are MDs. Name if they have PhD on whatever degree.

We are required to have our certs such as CPA, CISA, CIA, etc. on our work email and work business cards. I would not be caugh dead with BS and MBA or any certs that I have in my non work related emails and business cards.

Like another poster said, show your competency/intelligence with your works, not your email/business card.

 

[IronWing]

It's ridiculous to include M.S. in your sig. It makes you look like an underachieving pretentious fool.

Acceptable items to include in your sig are ESQ, JD, CPA, DR, and maybe a few more. MBA can be acceptable as well for work purposes.

I had a biology instructor who include B.S. and M.S in her sig. She had no idea that students found it funny. I can only imagine what her colleagues thought.

An MBA is just another masters degree as is a JD. The only reason folks think they are particularly difficult degrees to obtain is that most folks trying to obtain them were poly sci or business majors.

 

[uclaLabrat]

An MBA is just another masters degree as is a JD. The only reason folks think they are particularly difficult degrees to obtain is that most folks trying to obtain them were poly sci or business majors.

Except a JD is a doctorate.

 

[IronWing]

Except a JD is a doctorate.

Except the requirements for a JD more closely match those of a master's in any other field.

 

[alkemyst]

I agree and I have one of the aforementioned degrees. Once in a while my father-in-law jokingly asks everyone to call him doctor (PhD in engineering/college professor) and even he thinks it's pompous.

Personally I think too much of what should be formal has gone astray in this PBR and desperate housewives mentality of today.

PhD and MD/DO deserve a Dr. title or Professor in the former.

J.D. are ESQ and when on a bench full time can earn the respect 'judge' or 'your honor' brings.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

MS is a joke these days. It's standard in the engineering world. Hell, if you want to move to some level of seniority, a PhD is required. I feel that only a PhD deserves to be put on a business card or signature in email. Even then I would try to avoid it unless everyone and their mom is doing it.

 

[RKS]

Personally I think too much of what should be formal has gone astray in this PBR and desperate housewives mentality of today.

PhD and MD/DO deserve a Dr. title or Professor in the former.

J.D. are ESQ and when on a bench full time can earn the respect 'judge' or 'your honor' brings.

Adding JD to a sig is asinine. It doesn't mean anything. Esq is acceptable but only for legal documents.

 

[Hacp]

It's ridiculous to include M.S. in your sig. It makes you look like an underachieving pretentious fool.

Acceptable items to include in your sig are ESQ, JD, CPA, DR, and maybe a few more. MBA can be acceptable as well for work purposes.

I had a biology instructor who include B.S. and M.S in her sig. She had no idea that students found it funny. I can only imagine what her colleagues thought.

DR? Whats a DR?

 

[Hacp]

I only call people "doctors" if and only if they are MDs. Name if they have PhD on whatever degree.

Hmm from wikipedia,

Doctor, as a title, originates from the Latin word (gen.: doctoris) which means teacher.

I guess MDs do a lot of teaching these days.

 

[IronWing]

MS is a joke these days. It's standard in the engineering world. Hell, if you want to move to some level of seniority, a PhD is required. I feel that only a PhD deserves to be put on a business card or signature in email. Even then I would try to avoid it unless everyone and their mom is doing it.

Way back when I was in grad school we got to talking about the glories of the grad students of yesteryear and the impoverished intellectual atmosphere of the modern era. Even back then, the professors admitted that what masters students were being required to do to complete their degrees had significantly increased in complexity from what had been required when the profs had gone through school. The scope and rigor once required for a dissertation was being asked of in theses. Based on the masters students we've hired in recent years, I see no reason to believe that this trend toward ever more rigorous masters programs has let up. That said, I also agreed with what you've written above. It sucks to be fresh out of school right now. Things might ease up when The Perfect Generation finally retires.

 

[Born2bwire]

Way back when I was in grad school we got to talking about the glories of the grad students of yesteryear and the impoverished intellectual atmosphere of the modern era. Even back then, the professors admitted that what masters students were being required to do to complete their degrees had significantly increased in complexity from what had been required when the profs had gone through school. The scope and rigor once required for a dissertation was being asked of in theses. Based on the masters students we've hired in recent years, I see no reason to believe that this trend toward ever more rigorous masters programs has let up. That said, I also agreed with what you've written above. It sucks to be fresh out of school right now. Things might ease up when The Perfect Generation finally retires.

I agree, it is interesting to look back at say physics back in the 20's and 30's and see how long it took most students to get their graduate degrees. The fields have advanced so much that it takes far much more research and learning to make a contribution. As for Master's, the university I am at differentiates between those that get a Master's via coursework alone and with a thesis. At UIUC, they recently dropped the ability to get a Master's degree by coursework alone. In the ECE department, you have to submit a thesis to get a MS.

 

[eits]

QFT.

I LOL @ secretaries called themselves "management assistants"...lol, you ARE the secretary, you are NOT in any types of management whatsoever.

I only call people "doctors" if and only if they are MDs. Name if they have PhD on whatever degree.

We are required to have our certs such as CPA, CISA, CIA, etc. on our work email and work business cards. I would not be caugh dead with BS and MBA or any certs that I have in my non work related emails and business cards.

Like another poster said, show your competency/intelligence with your works, not your email/business card.

and in order to get to show off your works, you need to let people know you have the ability and credentials in order to.

imo, you're a dumbass who doesn't know what he's talking about. either that or you're just sour at the fact that you have no credentials.

 

[eits]

Hmm from wikipedia,

Doctor, as a title, originates from the Latin word (gen.: doctoris) which means teacher.

I guess MDs do a lot of teaching these days.

he's a moron... you'll have to forgive him.

 

[gaidensensei]

I think it's a choice of personal preference, you have every right (in the USA) to judge how others bling their seniority, but no right to imply to them if they can or can't do so.

Kinda like the clothes they wear. You might laugh at someone for their taste or style.

 

[Whisper]

Personally, I have no problem with people including their credentials, degrees, certifications, etc. in an email signature, assuming said credentials are meaningful. If someone wants to include B.S., M.S., or whatever else, more power to them...they've earned the degree, and thus they've earned the right to claim it as their own in whatever ways they so choose.

As for the whole "doctor" issue, I call anyone with an appropriate degree (e.g., MD, PhD) "doctor," even if they ask that I use their first name. In my mind, it's simply a matter of professionalism and respect, much the same way I'd call a police officer "officer," or a judge "judge" or "your honor."

The ones that really trip me up, though, are nurse practitioners. Most seem to be ok with first names, but even then, I'll generally try to use "nurse practitioner" whenever possible.

 

[gaidensensei]

M.S., assuming it's from a prestigious background like the various divisions of Chemistry, or Microbiology / Molecular Genetics / divisions of Bio aren't easy to come by as well..

The people have to rack up all those crazy courses first in order to do so. I sure as hell would not like to go through 2+ years of college/upper level division chemistry again.

 

[BrownTown]

MS is a joke these days. It's standard in the engineering world. Hell, if you want to move to some level of seniority, a PhD is required. I feel that only a PhD deserves to be put on a business card or signature in email. Even then I would try to avoid it unless everyone and their mom is doing it.

I'm not sure what sort of engineering world you are in, but nowhere have I seen that a MS or PhD is required (or even recommended) except for some specialty type jobs. As for the statement concerning seniority that seems to actually be counter productive. People with PhDs are generally considered "too academic" and not able to succeed as well in management where technical knowledge is only a minor importance compared to meeting schedules and budgets. The PhDs are the "technical experts" which is a pretty sweet gig really since they make 6 figures and have minimal schedule and budget pressures. But the management generally only has a BS. This is from personal experience though, so I'm sure it differs greatly in different engineering fields. However, most of the people I went to college with who went on to grad school were quite smart, but not necessarily the best leaders (IE: more nerdy, less socially skilled). Where I work at least pretty much the only thing that matters are schedule and budget, technical knowledge will get you a good job, but not much chance for advancement.

On a moderately unrelated note there are several fields where a PhD generally means that a person who holds it makes LESS money than a person with just a BS in that same field. Again, this is due to the fact that most PhDs are involved more in the academic or research type companies which don't pay as well as the bigger "production" type companies.

 

[Svnla]

and in order to get to show off your works, you need to let people know you have the ability and credentials in order to.

imo, you're a dumbass who doesn't know what he's talking about. either that or you're just sour at the fact that you have no credentials.

Shall I send you a copy of my BS and MBA (from accredited school and not some internet/make believe school) and prove that YOU are the true asshole? Wanna take on me and be my bitch?

Who is the true dumb ass now and doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about? Stay in school and keep playing WOW with your buddies, kid.

For the poster that cited wiki, yeah, is that the same source said Ted Kennedy died BEFORE he was dead and other huge discrepancies? LOL