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Pentagon crash during 9/11

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EyeMWing

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Originally posted by: gigapet
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: gigapet
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: gigapet
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: gigapet


hmmm thats funny. Since my job revolves around assembling facts and problem solving.

The facts in this case are flimsy. Plane wrecks usually leave more mess so the obvious conclusion would be it wasnt a plane. Common sense also tells me that decisive videos of the plane as it approached would have been released at the very least to provide a stronger case for the airplane theory. These videos never surfaced. Common sense tells me there are more questions than answers which is why common sense tells me not to believe one side or the other until im presented with something irrefutable.


Of course you were going to say that. That's a pretty typical reply from someone of your caliber.

You might say that your job is to troubleshoot, but let's not forget that the captain of the Exxon Valdez had a job driving oil tankers, too.

Your argument and tactics speak volumes about you. If you had an ounce of common sense you wouldn't even have considered the argument that you gave.

my caliber :roll:

instead of convincing me you've just attacked my common sense. I am not arguing anything. I said from the beginning i am un convinced. still am. Probably will be until something more conclusive is released.

Thank god science is not based on common sense lord only knows what world we'd live in.

Read it.

Furthermore, I still invite you to fling yourself at the pentagon at 500mph. By your logic, you should survive in big enough pieces to be surgically reassembled.

Forgot Snopes is the dispenser of all irrefutable facts on the planet.

Okay then, don't read Snopes and instead look at these pictures:
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/analysis/conclusions/docs/hullpiece_c.jpg
Fuselage, CLEARLY American Airlines.

wow look at that. The same ONE piece of debris that they show in EVERY picture when you ask where the debri is. ONE PIECE!!!! amazing!!!!!

BECAUSE THERE WAS ONLY ONE PIECE BIGGER THAN YOUR FSCKING HAND. GET IT THROUGH YOUR PUNY LITTLE HEAD. Here, comments from the photographer)

> I was at the Navy Annex, up the hill from the Pentagon when I heard the
> explosion. I always keep a digital camera in my backpack briefcase just
> as a matter of habit. When the explosion happened I ran down the hill
> to the site and arrived there approximately 10 minutes after the
> explosion. I saw the piece, that was near the heliport pad and had to
> work around to get a shot if it with the building in the background.
> Because the situation was still fluid, I was able to get in close and
> make that image within fifteen minutes of the explosion because
> security had yet to shut off the area. I photographed it twice, with
> the newly arrived fire trucks pouring water into the building in the
> background.
>
> The collapse of the building above area happened long after I left the
> scene. I was not even aware that that had happened until that evening
> when I watched the news. My photos were on the wire by noon.
>
> That was the only piece of wreckage of any SIZE that I saw, but was by
> no means the ONLY piece. Right after photographing that piece of
> wreckage, I also photographed a triage area where medical personnel
> were tending to a seriously burned man. A priest knelt in the middle of
> the area and started to pray. I took that image and left immediately.
>
> As I stepped onto the highway next to the triage area, I knelt down to
> tie my shoe and all over the highway were small pieces of aircraft
> skin, none bigger than a half-dollar. Anyone familiar with aircraft has
> seen the greenish primer paint that covers many interior metal surfaces
> - that is what these shards were covered with.

Now before you spaz out and tell me that it proves your case, read the whole thing.
 

gigapet

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Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: gigapet
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: gigapet

wow look at that. The same ONE piece of debris that they show in EVERY picture when you ask where the debri is. ONE PIECE!!!! amazing!!!!!

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Simulation of Pentagon Plane Crash

Produced by structural engineers and CS majors. Forgive me if I take their word and expertise over an ATOT poster.

Phase I
Phase II

Now watch that video and see if you can understand why there isn't much giant plane wreckage to be found.

simulations are not very convincing.

Okay, simulations aren't convincing. Lets try an experiment then. Now you go buy a 757 and a gigantic Pentagon mockup... Alternatively, we could just fling you at the wall and see what happens, since the human body is much more impact resistant than an airplane.

in one of the debunking websites kilheimer a crash EXPERT held body parts and the blackbox. Thats quite a contradictory statement. The link is posted on page one of this thread.
 

gigapet

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hey folks how hard is it to create a simulation that depict the end result you are trying to prove?

thats some rock hard evidence right there :roll:
 

clarkey01

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I dont know what to make of it.

See "911 in plane sight". Thats all I'm asking. But of course you'll get " No I dont need to watch it to know what happend" fair enough. I dont side with any story.
 

EyeMWing

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Originally posted by: gigapet
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: gigapet
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: gigapet

wow look at that. The same ONE piece of debris that they show in EVERY picture when you ask where the debri is. ONE PIECE!!!! amazing!!!!!

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Simulation of Pentagon Plane Crash

Produced by structural engineers and CS majors. Forgive me if I take their word and expertise over an ATOT poster.

Phase I
Phase II

Now watch that video and see if you can understand why there isn't much giant plane wreckage to be found.

simulations are not very convincing.

Okay, simulations aren't convincing. Lets try an experiment then. Now you go buy a 757 and a gigantic Pentagon mockup... Alternatively, we could just fling you at the wall and see what happens, since the human body is much more impact resistant than an airplane.

in one of the debunking websites kilheimer a crash EXPERT held body parts and the blackbox. Thats quite a contradictory statement. The link is posted on page one of this thread.

On page one. This whole thing is page one for those of us who aren't total fvcktards. That said, you aren't going to convince me, and I'm not going to be able to beat a single shard of sense and logic into your nonexistant mind because you want to believe that Bush is evil and killed his own people.
 

amol

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Originally posted by: Trente
REPOST!!

And what the hell is Hitler's voice doing there at the beginning?!

Because subliminaly, they want to tie the events of 9/11 to something a Fascist government would do :p
 

gigapet

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Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: gigapet
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: gigapet
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: gigapet

wow look at that. The same ONE piece of debris that they show in EVERY picture when you ask where the debri is. ONE PIECE!!!! amazing!!!!!

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Simulation of Pentagon Plane Crash

Produced by structural engineers and CS majors. Forgive me if I take their word and expertise over an ATOT poster.

Phase I
Phase II

Now watch that video and see if you can understand why there isn't much giant plane wreckage to be found.

simulations are not very convincing.

Okay, simulations aren't convincing. Lets try an experiment then. Now you go buy a 757 and a gigantic Pentagon mockup... Alternatively, we could just fling you at the wall and see what happens, since the human body is much more impact resistant than an airplane.

in one of the debunking websites kilheimer a crash EXPERT held body parts and the blackbox. Thats quite a contradictory statement. The link is posted on page one of this thread.

On page one. This whole thing is page one for those of us who aren't total fvcktards. That said, you aren't going to convince me, and I'm not going to be able to beat a single shard of sense and logic into your nonexistant mind because you want to believe that Bush is evil and killed his own people.

i said i was unconvinced either way.

But while we are on the topic. It is a fact that, Bush does not have a problem with his own people getting killed. I.E. lying to US to goto IRAQ. Can't argue that. Thats documented. 1700 dead US soldiers. Countless civilians. ZERO WMDs & a puppet show democracy. WOOT!
 

gigapet

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lets just resume this conversation when some other video is released until then.

Conclusion = undecided
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: gigapet

give me a 5 second low quality video from any other angle and I would be convinced.


You throw away all other evidence but a 5 second low quality video from another angle would convince you? As if you couldn't fake that...
 

Jawo

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: clarkey01
Pentagon has ground to air misses doesnt it and a radar system ?

The gas station or was it the hotel had thier security video taken right after the "Plane" hit. Why

What was that hole all about ?

It just happen to be the side that was being worked on.

Im not saying it wasnt a plane but the lack of parts and some of stuff I read make for a strong case.

What happend to the ppl on that flight ? It'ds been said they were taken to an army base and blown up in a room. Doesnt matter if I believe it or not.

The first plane that hit the WTC was said to have had no windows (see 911 In plane sight) on the second there was a black box on the underside of the plane, what was that ?.

wow.. please tell me this is an attempt at a humorous post.


right on cKGunslinger!!!
 

Jawo

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Gee...everyone's going to have their own opinions that arent going to change...the flash site is shady...the FBI is shady....what next someones going to say it was aliens???? the first attack in the War of the Worlds?:D
 

91TTZ

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Final conclusion:

Everyone else: understands reality.
Gigapet: Can't figure it out. Needs undeniable proof, such as a low-res 5 second video.
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: gigapet
hey folks how hard is it to create a simulation that depict the end result you are trying to prove?

thats some rock hard evidence right there :roll:

Wait Purdue is "in" on this massive conspiracy, too? :confused:

How "hard is it to create" an spastic collection of lies, half-truths, images, and clips, then run Hitler's voice over it to stir up the whackos out there?

thats some rock hard evidence right there :roll:
 

Queasy

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: gigapet
hey folks how hard is it to create a simulation that depict the end result you are trying to prove?

thats some rock hard evidence right there :roll:

Wait Purdue is "in" on this massive conspiracy, too? :confused:

How "hard is it to create" an spastic collection of lies, half-truths, images, and clips, then run Hitler's voice over it to stir up the whackos out there?

thats some rock hard evidence right there :roll:

At this point, I think everyone is in on the conspiracy except Gigapet. I mean we've got the entire federal government, Purdue University, news media, and hundreds of people that "supposedly" died on these airplanes.

Don't worry Giga. One day we'll let you in on the secret. You've got to prove yourself first though.
 

OutHouse

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: gigapet

hmmm thats funny. Since my job revolves around assembling facts and problem solving.

The facts in this case are flimsy. Plane wrecks usually leave more mess so the obvious conclusion would be it wasnt a plane.
Simulation of Pentagon Plane Crash

Produced by structural engineers and CS majors. Forgive me if I take their word and expertise over an ATOT poster.

Phase I
Phase II

Now watch that video and see if you can understand why there isn't much giant plane wreckage to be found.


those suck. they dont prove a thing.
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: gigapet

hmmm thats funny. Since my job revolves around assembling facts and problem solving.

The facts in this case are flimsy. Plane wrecks usually leave more mess so the obvious conclusion would be it wasnt a plane.
Simulation of Pentagon Plane Crash

Produced by structural engineers and CS majors. Forgive me if I take their word and expertise over an ATOT poster.

Phase I
Phase II

Now watch that video and see if you can understand why there isn't much giant plane wreckage to be found.


those suck. they dont prove a thing.

No, they don't *prove* anything. They simply show the results of the physics of a plane hitting the Pentagon, using inputs from structural engineers and physicists.

But it *does* happen to provide a scientific reason why such an event would not leave intact fuselage and whole wings just lying about the ground for every one to see, now doesn't it? Much more so than the random musings of an internet flash video, eh?
 

habib89

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i think it was a missile... a huge missile.. possibly the size of a jet.. a passenger jet.. it probably had wings too... and the inside of the missile was taken out and replaced with seats in which the bottom of the seat could be used as a floating device in case of an emergency crash into the ocean...
 

BigJ

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Obviously gigapet is correct. I mean, look at all the supporting evidence for the conspiracy theo...OH CRAP MY TINFOIL HAT FELL OFF.
 

seanws

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motion to ban. funny how this keeps getting posted over and over and over...

oh, and it was A PLANE!!!!!1111oneone
/thread
 

Linflas

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I don't know why I am even bothering with this but here is a picture from the 11th floor of a building across I 395 from the Pentagon. The white arrow points roughly to the area that the plane hit. The white circle shows the Army/Navy Exhange gas station/convenience store you all are demanding video from. There may not be any video of any value from that location. This pic was taken in January 2004 so some of the stuff there now was not there on 9/11/2001.

Picture
 

alkemyst

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I can't really say too much here without pointing a finger at someone else, however; the day it happened I was told they didn't think it was a jet [like what hit the trade towers].

Regardless there was conspiracy to that ordeal, whether or not the heads of the US was part of it is the mystery.