Penn State protects child rapist that was former famous D-Coordinator

[surfsatwerk]

The culture is what led to football being more important than stopping a child molester. The culture needs to be eliminated, the current punishment is not enough.

I can't accept this. Liking football does not make a culture approve of the rape of children. I see this as a failure of leadership. The people in charge were cowards and morally bankrupt. They made cowardly and criminal choices rather than do what was right.

The NCAA and everyone trying to make this a "football problem" and not directly punishing the leadership of the school that turned a blind eye is appalling to me.

Maybe I'm wrong, I'm not the only person in this thread expressing such ideas. Regardless this is the only time I have ever been emotionally worked up over posting so I need to ban myself from this thread. This shit really has me worked up. I apologize for the "Nazi" comment, total nonsense on my part.

 

[pelov]

Wrong is wrong, I don't care if they are being nice about it. Culture did not say it was ok to cover up the rape of children, Joe Paterno did. Punishing people because they support that monster is wrong. Being stupid is not a crime.

Joe Paterno has as much influence to make that happen. That's the problem you're overlooking, imo.

When the football coach starts making decisions that bring the whole university down is when there's a culture of fail rampant amongst the upper echelons of that university. The Freeh report didn't state that Paterno was some schmuck who was ignored but rather a person wielding as much power as the President of the school.

I can't accept this. Liking football does not make a culture approve of the rape of children. I see this as a failure of leadership. The people in charge were cowards and morally bankrupt. They made cowardly and criminal choices rather than do what was right.

Paterno was one of those making the choices, and in fact held more clout than the others at those meetings. A football coach should not be given that much power, regardless of the school's or his success. That's a football problem AND a school problem.

The NCAA and everyone trying to make this a "football problem" and not directly punishing the leadership of the school that turned a blind eye is appalling to me.

When a football coach is part of the leadership of the school then the NCAA gets dragged into it, especially when it was the assistant to the man who is under investigation.

TLDR: The school's football program was important enough for them to cover up pedophilia. If that's not football culture gone wrong, I don't know what the fuck is.

 

[SP33Demon]

Wrong is wrong, I don't care if they are being nice about it. Culture did not say it was ok to cover up the rape of children, Joe Paterno did. Punishing people because they support that monster is wrong. Being stupid is not a crime.

You didn't answer his question. How are "people" being punished? And my question, especially how are they punished by watching a mediocre team now become a shitty team for the next 10 years?

This must be more evidence of the pussification of our country - "they made my shitty team shittier"! waaaahhhh. And I say to that: Stop crying, your shitty fanboi's will still pay their shitty money to see their shitty team. Not much is changing unless you were hoping to make the NFL through this mediocre-at-best football program, despite its top notch recruiting. And even then, you're talking about top tier talent that has the option to walk and still get NFL exposure on another winning team.

PSU is what Pitt is to the Big East and Georgia to the SEC. Awesome 4/5 stars and making a BCS game 20% of the time (in the last decade) = stupidly fantastic underachievers. The problem is that PSU will always play 2nd fiddle to OSU and Michigan and Wisky and now even 2nd tier Big 10 teams like Mich St and Nebraska. The bottom line is that PSU rarely ever has a shot at a BCS game and this just lowered the chances even more. It's not the end world so suck it up, nobody is being "punished" here.

 

[Capt Caveman]

I can't accept this. Liking football does not make a culture approve of the rape of children. I see this as a failure of leadership. The people in charge were cowards and morally bankrupt. They made cowardly and criminal choices rather than do what was right.

The NCAA and everyone trying to make this a "football problem" and not directly punishing the leadership of the school that turned a blind eye is appalling to me.

Maybe I'm wrong, I'm not the only person in this thread expressing such ideas. Regardless this is the only time I have ever been emotionally worked up over posting so I need to ban myself from this thread. This shit really has me worked up. I apologize for the "Nazi" comment, total nonsense on my part.

And this is why the football program needs to be eliminated. Football is so important to these people that when they learn that one of their coaches is molesting children on campus in the football facilities, they don't want any bad publicity that they cover it up and allow it to continue instead of doing the right thing. A cover-up that went from coaches to the top of the University and possibly the government. Why? B/c of football.

The comments from Lupi and other PSU football supporters demonstrates that football is still more important than children. It's disgusting and the current punishment is not enough to eliminate this culture.

 

[cubby1223]

I can't accept this. Liking football does not make a culture approve of the rape of children.

I have not seen anyone say this, nor even imply this. I believe everyone here agrees with that statement of yours.


However, the big question is, what is the difference between "approval" and "turning a blind eye"?

 

[zinfamous]

I can't accept this. Liking football does not make a culture approve of the rape of children. I see this as a failure of leadership. The people in charge were cowards and morally bankrupt. They made cowardly and criminal choices rather than do what was right.

The NCAA and everyone trying to make this a "football problem" and not directly punishing the leadership of the school that turned a blind eye is appalling to me.

Maybe I'm wrong, I'm not the only person in this thread expressing such ideas. Regardless this is the only time I have ever been emotionally worked up over posting so I need to ban myself from this thread. This shit really has me worked up. I apologize for the "Nazi" comment, total nonsense on my part.

I agree that it is a problem of leadership--but no one is arguing that football is what made anyone approve of child rape.

The argument is that football culture was too important, too powerful, to let anything tarnish it. Even when the right decision would have done nothing to tarnish this, it was decided by JoePa that burying it was what was necessary to protect the PSU name.

SO, either they actually approved of Sandusky's actions and would "Rather just not think about it," or they thought that bringing him to justice would be terrible for their insular little world.

Further, this culture of football is seen every day in the fans and people that bleed and die nothing but PSU football. I think the University is doing every thing it can to deal with this tragedy properly, within themselves--but you continue to see the type of misguided priority and social value displayed by Paterno and the admin in the continued response of the fans and die-hard supporters of PSU football. Their comments are appalling, and yeah--I get that everyone's priorities are all fucked while in college--but it is nothing less than a cult of personality that would cause a mass of people to outright ignore the loathsome crimes of their fallen idol with such misappropriated teeth-gnashing and further--to continue to victimize the only real victims in this crime--the children whom Sandusky raped--and try to label themselves as victims, as "the punished."




again,
<---tiny violin for those assclowns.

 

[lupi]

You see how we know most of yall are ignorant dumbfucks, there has been virtually no one offering or even implying support here; and numerous articles from prominent in the field journalist and analyst are repeating the same points in their opposition to the way this was carried out.

So keep up your tears when you see their team on the field again next year, and try not to let them obscure your vision so you can see this culture getting changed when emmeret announces the winning bid for the first div 1 football championship game.

 

[zinfamous]

jokes on you, ncaa has no real power over the schools other than them controlling the bowl games.

not sure if serious...

and these are the new trustees so it's rather stupid to wonder why they haven't been shitcanned yet. as was said here before the president backdoored this total approval without letting anyone other than head of the board know about it; now that sounds like a coverup.

IIRC, only 3 of the trustees were replaced in light of this, and those replacements were no less egregious--as I believe they were big football donors and part of the JoePa inner circle.

so, never should have been appointed, shitcanned soon after, whatever...they are obviously horrible for PSU.

 

[zinfamous]

You see how we know most of yall are ignorant dumbfucks, there has been virtually no one offering or even implying support here; and numerous articles from prominent in the field journalist and analyst are repeating the same points in their opposition to the way this was carried out.

So keep up your tears when you see their team on the field again next year, and try not to let them obscure your vision so you can see this culture getting changed when emmeret announces the winning bid for the first div 1 football championship game.

😀

I'll continue to laugh, because you have only quoted sports journalists. They never have anything of real value to report, ever. And not one of them is qualified to be a journalist.


lol. sports journalists. prominent....to football people, I guess?
😀

OK, lupi, I'll help you out: here is where you and all of your so-called journalists failed in their brief analysis. There is simply no precedent for the type of crimes and egregious violations committed by the PSU football program and the admin. It is absolutely worthless to try and use prior actions of the NCAA as an indication of how they should act, because there is nothing before to serve as an example. This is precedent, and now the message is clear to all other programs that choose to hide criminals within their ranks, let their football program rise to the central power of the school's administration, and make University-wide decisions based on the whims of an athletic program.

If this is not a football issue, if this is not something that the NCAA should be involved in--then wtf do you think was the rational behind Paterno, Spanier, Curley and what they were hiding? DO you think they knew what was at stake? Clearly, they new this was bad for football and bad for PSU, and it seems that the only people that don't get it are those like you and these other so-called "analysts."

 

[pelov]

So keep up your tears...

Are you sure it's us who are whining, bitching and moaning? You might want to reread the latter pages in this thread.

If college football was wiped off the face of the earth tomorrow I wouldn't care. In fact, I sort of hope it does happen.

Translation:

Football football sports, football sports football. football sports football sports sports football. sports football, sports sports football sports -- sports football sports.

 

[darkewaffle]

it was decided by JoePa that burying it was what was necessary to protect the PSU name.

And we reached this conclusion how? If I was in Paterno's shoes, my mind is torn between "Do I betray my old friend?" and "Do I try to ignore it/protect him?"; football isn't even part of the equation.

 

[bignateyk]

And we reached this conclusion how? If I was in Paterno's shoes, my mind is torn between "Do I betray my old friend?" and "Do I try to ignore it/protect him?"; football isn't even part of the equation.

Joe and Jerry weren't very fond of each other...

Not sure why everybody thinks they were best buds.

 

[SP33Demon]

You see how we know most of yall are ignorant dumbfucks, there has been virtually no one offering or even implying support here; and numerous articles from prominent in the field journalist and analyst are repeating the same points in their opposition to the way this was carried out.

So keep up your tears when you see their team on the field again next year, and try not to let them obscure your vision so you can see this culture getting changed when emmeret announces the winning bid for the first div 1 football championship game.

Aw, the baby has resorted to name calling now. I sure am skurred, especially for all those "people who were punished" at PSU. Oh, and congrats, you're now in the running for biggest hole dug in a thread.

 

[mmntech]

We stand by Penn State in during it's darkest hour. The NCAA was wrong to take away the record of Joe Paterno. This is nothing more than making a pariah out of a man who was a stellar coach. A man who always strived to do the right thing. He took the side of of love and equal rights for all. As such, we are inducting him and the college into our hall of heroes.

Signed the good people at NAMBLA

​

 

[Capt Caveman]

Joe and Jerry weren't very fond of each other...

Not sure why everybody thinks they were best buds.

Yet Paterno had him as an assistant coach for 30 years and allowed him to use the football facilities to molest children after he retired. Ok!

 

[Drako]

We stand by Penn State in during it's darkest hour. The NCAA was wrong to take away the record of Joe Paterno. This is nothing more than making a pariah out of a man who was a stellar coach. A man who always strived to do the right thing. He took the side of of love and equal rights for all. As such, we are inducting him and the college into our hall of heroes.

Signed the good people at NAMBLA

​

:awe:

That's gold Jerry, gold!

 

[cronos]

Yet Paterno had him as an assistant coach for 30 years and allowed him to use the football facilities to molest children after he retired. Ok!

I didn't believe this at first but now I can see it. To Joe it's never about protecting Jerry (as mentioned by bignateyk, they weren't even friends), it's all about his football team and his legacy (emphasis on 'his'). These things are much more important to Joe than Jerry or the children he decided to shower with.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

You see how we know most of yall are ignorant dumbfucks, there has been virtually no one offering or even implying support here; and numerous articles from prominent in the field journalist and analyst are repeating the same points in their opposition to the way this was carried out.

Who gives a crap what the media thinks? Journalists are some of the dumbest people on earth and are just trying to sensationalize everything to get page views.

So keep up your tears when you see their team on the field again next year, and try not to let them obscure your vision so you can see this culture getting changed when emmeret announces the winning bid for the first div 1 football championship game.

Really? The NCAA now runs the FBS championship? That's interesting -- when did that change?

We get it -- you must be a PSU grad. My neighbor is too and he is also a buffoon like you.

 

[bignateyk]

Yet Paterno had him as an assistant coach for 30 years and allowed him to use the football facilities to molest children after he retired. Ok!

What amazes me is how much everybody just slurps up everything the media spoon feeds them. Where's all the hate for the catholic church, who still to this day is covering up and protecting child molesters? Oh that's right, the media stopped focusing on it, so you forgot about it. Just like you'll forget about Penn State when the media finds something better to do.

You don't give a shit about children being raped. If you did you'd be focused on the institutions that continue to cover it up. Or are you really so stupid as to think that Penn State is the only place this has ever and will ever happen at? You care just enough to rage about it on the internet and then go about your dull life.

 

[Capt Caveman]

What amazes me is how much everybody just slurps up everything the media spoon feeds them. Where's all the hate for the catholic church, who still to this day is covering up and protecting child molesters? Oh that's right, the media stopped focusing on it, so you forgot about it. Just like you'll forget about Penn State when the media finds something better to do.

You don't give a shit about children being raped. If you did you'd be focused on the institutions that continue to cover it up. Or are you really so stupid as to think that Penn State is the only place this has ever and will ever happen at? You care just enough to rage about it on the internet and then go about your dull life.

Nice way to change the subject. Look at the title of this thread and try to stay on topic. So, Paterno disliked Sandusky yet kept himi as an assistant coach(and supposed heir apparent) for 30 years and allowed him to molest children in the football facility. If Paterno was not fond of him, I'd hate to see how he treated people he liked.

 

[cronos]

What amazes me is how much everybody just slurps up everything the media spoon feeds them.

I actually have never read anything published by the media about how Joe and Jerry were best of friends. It's just when people (who were never familiar with the inside of Penn State, I was one of them) see that he played for him, Joe got him assistant coach job, promoted to defensive coordinator, and finally became supposed heir apparent of the head coach position, it's natural to think that they must have been really good friends.

But like I said above I totally believe it now that they were not that close to each other. Joe probably didn't even like Jerry personally from the beginning, but he was a good player, great coach and he helped Joe's team win national championship! To Joe Paterno this is much more important than his personal feelings for Jerry. This is likely why he kept him around all those years even though Joe probably did know that something was off about him. This is also why he tried really hard to cover up for Jerry's crime.

 

[cronos]

Nice way to change the subject. Look at the title of this thread and try to stay on topic. So, Paterno disliked Sandusky yet kept himi as an assistant coach(and supposed heir apparent) for 30 years and allowed him to molest children in the football facility. If Paterno was not fond of him, I'd hate to see how he treated people he liked.

Capt Caveman go read my posts. It makes complete sense to me. Joe Paterno *was* apparently that self-centered.

 

[bignateyk]

I actually have never read anything published by the media about how Joe and Jerry were best of friends. It's just when people (who were never familiar with the inside of Penn State, I was one of them) see that he played for him, Joe got him assistant coach job, promoted to defensive coordinator, and finally became supposed heir apparent of the head coach position, it's natural to think that they must have been really good friends.

But like I said above I totally believe it now that they were not that close to each other. Joe probably didn't even like Jerry personally from the beginning, but he was a good player, great coach and he helped Joe's team win national championship! To Joe Paterno this is much more important than his personal feelings for Jerry. This is likely why he kept him around all those years even though Joe probably did know that something was off about him. This is also why he tried really hard to cover up for Jerry's crime.

Spanier and Joe didn't get along either, unlike media portrayals. Spanier had been in a power struggle and was trying to get rid of Joe for years.

 

[SP33Demon]

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that they (Joe/Jerry) were close buds. I'll have to check later.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Capt Caveman go read my posts. It makes complete sense to me. Joe Paterno *was* apparently that self-centered.

I have and don't agree. Paterno allowed Jerry to bring kids from Second Mile to the football facility, on planes to road games, etc...

And we're talking about 30+ years, sorry but if I'm Joe Paterno and don't like the guy, I can find someone else to replace him. If Paterno was so self-centered, he would believe he didn't need Sandusky.