Penn State protects child rapist that was former famous D-Coordinator

[zinfamous]

I'm just pointing out the hyprocrocy of all those who claim that this is a PSU problem and a problem that resulted from PSU culture.

In reality this is a problem with human nature and the culture of our entire society. To think, like many of the people in this thread, that by eliminating Penn State football that this problem will somehow dissapear is ridiculous.

You aren't going to solve child abuse by punishing students, players, and residents who had nothing to do with them problem. Even some of the victims have come out and said they think it's stupid.

People in power will always try to maintain that power by any means necessary. That has been and always will be human nature. This could have happened at any University, charity, organization, company, church, etc., anywhere in the world. Thinking anything different is a dangerous path and just shows how little you know and/or care about child abuse.

No one is arguing that the larger problem will disappear. The reason for the NCAA action is to send a message to other programs what will happen if their program engages in such rampant abuse. The goal is to ensure that any such criminals that are discovered anywhere else, within the college sports world, are dealt with properly.
The NCAA is not sanctioning PSU on the actions of Sandusky, but on the cover-up, which speaks to the massive corruption and improper power structure of PSU--the center of which is the football program. This is plain, and the NCAA has every authority to do this.

Any so-called analyst that can't differentiate the two crimes committed by the personnel at PSU clearly have their heads up their asses.

But I think it is a larger problem with human nature and particular cultures like this. It's a punch in the jaw--or rather it should be--to those of us that place such unreasonably high value in things that matter so little. The culture at and around PSU didn't get this then, and those that hover around this football program still don't seem to get it--and neither does the larger sports world if lupi's links are to be taken as an accurate representation of what these sports journalists actually think.

call PSU a scapegoat for all such similar evils if you want, call them a martyr. Whatever you call them, I think many recognize them now as a necessary example of many of our misguided priorities. The sports world is small and insular anyway. As appropriate and necessary were the NCAA's actions regarding PSU, I believe they recognized--not necessarily through pressure--that the majority of this country doesn't really give a flip about this world. The NCAA is still recognized as the governing body, and to not act would be a much larger, more meaningful public indictment on not only the NCAA, but the sports culture as a whole.

If Congress can choose to go after baseball for steroid abuse...imagine what would happen if the body governing all of college sports chose to further sweep these massive crimes under the rug.

 

[actuarial]

...In that case, what shit for luck that in the history of college athletics, only PSU has had such an issue with it. There's nothing at all about the institution itself that contributed to what happened - it was just bad luck.

Like I said, it's obvious that the powers that be don't think so. But keep talking, your talk of others' dull lives on an internet message board must be making you feel better than the realization that your beloved football program is done, and its history is shit.

It happened to the Boston Red Sox.

 

[bignateyk]

Don't bother with the semi-literate Joestown Kool-aid sipper. His, and others', breathtaking inability to recognize what happened when everybody not from State College, Pennsylvania is telling them how their beloved idols were loathsome hypocrites just shows how truly enamored with a fantasy they are.

Uh.. I've been saying from the beginning that the 4 stooges should be hung. The only people I've defended in this thread are the students, players, and residents who had nothing to do with this, and are just as outraged as anyone else about what happened.

You on the other hand don't seem capable of rational thought. All you seem to care about is getting rid of Penn State football, which wouldn't do anything.

By the way, I'm sure my Penn State education has gotten me much further in life than your education.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

It happened to the Boston Red Sox.

Why, I didn't realize that a 10+ year assistant coach for the Red Sox was handed the keys to Fenway by the coach, the front office, and the owners. I didn't know that assistant coach molested scores of young boys over at least two decades. I certainly didn't know that the Red Sox coach once told the owners to get out of his house when the owners wanted him to retire.

My, how ever could I have missed these pieces of news?

 

[Gigantopithecus]

By the way, I'm sure my Penn State education has gotten me much further in life than your education.

And there's the white flag right there. Thanks for playing.

 

[bignateyk]

And there's the white flag right there. Thanks for playing.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

 

[Jeffg010]

Lets just pretend Penn State decides to not pay the 60 million then what does the NCAA going to do? There was no law that said they had to pay. So what does NCAA do kick Penn State out of playing football or how about all sports?

I would love to see Penn State say no we are not going to pay the 60 million just to see what happens.

 

[bignateyk]

Lets just pretend Penn State decides to not pay the 60 million then what does the NCAA going to do? There was no law that said they had to pay. So what does NCAA do kick Penn State out of playing football or how about all sports?

I would love to see Penn State say no we are not going to pay the 60 million just to see what happens.

Why would they do that? 60 million is nothing to PSU.

 

[pelov]

Uh.. I've been saying from the beginning that the 4 stooges should be hung. The only people I've defended in this thread are the students, players, and residents who had nothing to do with this, and are just as outraged as anyone else about what happened.

Any alum of Penn State should be ashamed and furious with the way the school handled this, more so than any other person. Your school was involved in covering up a decades-long history of pedophilia for the sake of the football program. Unlike you, I have a level head. If I were an alum or a current student of Penn State I'd be asking for my money back.

By the way, I'm sure my Penn State education has gotten me much further in life than your education.

Think about what someone will say when they read your resume and see the Penn State grad line. Think about what the first thing going through their mind will be. How you can possibly be proud of a school like that is beyond me.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

I sleep well knowing that my football Saturdays won't have an elephant in the room the rest of my life! I also dream of bowl games. In fact, just last year, two of my schools went to BCS bowls. I think Wisconsin has a reasonable chance to get to the Rose Bowl for a third year in a row. And Michigan will hopefully continue its renaissance, though I'm skeptical we'll do as well as last year. Regardless, there is the comfort that...it could be worse.

 

[Jeffg010]

Why would they do that? 60 million is nothing to PSU.

I know it is not going to happen that why I said lets pretend. Does the NCAA really have the authority to get that money. Does the NCAA sue Penn State for not paying the money.

 

[K1052]

Lets just pretend Penn State decides to not pay the 60 million then what does the NCAA going to do? There was no law that said they had to pay. So what does NCAA do kick Penn State out of playing football or how about all sports?

I would love to see Penn State say no we are not going to pay the 60 million just to see what happens.

The fine was the least objectionable part to the school. Loss of scholarships, postseason games, and the freeing of scholarship players to transfer are what has gutted the program.

The trustees have wisely decided not to fight the NCAA over the sanctions the PSU president agreed to.

 

[bignateyk]

Any alum of Penn State should be ashamed and furious with the way the school handled this, more so than any other person. Your school was involved in covering up a decades-long history of pedophilia for the sake of the football program. Unlike you, I have a level head. If I were an alum or a current student of Penn State I'd be asking for my money back.

Uh.. I am, and most people here are. There aren't that many Joe apologists anymore now that the freeh report came out.

As for the degree, why would you ask for your money back? You paid for an education, not to watch football.

 

[pelov]

I know it is not going to happen that why I said lets pretend. Does the NCAA really have the authority to get that money. Does the NCAA sue Penn State for not paying the money.

Bear in mind the NCAA was lenient with their punishment. Apparently there were schools who were calling for their heads but because Penn State was cooperating with the investigation (after years of covering it up), they decided not to include the death penalty.

As for the degree, why would you ask for your money back? You paid for an education, not to watch football.

You also paid for the name, otherwise your tuition wouldn't have been so high. It's the same reason Harvard is Harvard. Also, don't forget that while you went there (or perhaps not you but certainly others), the school was more worried about its football than they were its image and its curriculum and quality of education. Like I said, I'd want my money back.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

I know it is not going to happen that why I said lets pretend. Does the NCAA really have the authority to get that money. Does the NCAA sue Penn State for not paying the money.

The NCAA would simply expel PSU. That would cost PSU far more than $60M, which is why it won't happen.

Though if you read what some of the hotheaded trustees and slavering fans write online, they might not be thinking clearly enough to realize that.

 

[bignateyk]

Bear in mind the NCAA was lenient with their punishment. Apparently there were schools who were calling for their heads but because Penn State was cooperating with the investigation (after years of covering it up), they decided not to include the death penalty.



You also paid for the name, otherwise your tuition wouldn't have been so high. It's the same reason Harvard is Harvard

That name is no less valid now. I get job offers all the time. I put out my resume a few months ago and had half a dozen job offers within a month of interviewing.

Tuition isn't high because of the name. It's high because Spanier doesn't know when to stop building new buildings.

I've got no reason to want my money back. I've already paid my loans off and am raking in a higher than average salary.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

You also paid for the name, otherwise your tuition wouldn't have been so high. It's the same reason Harvard is Harvard

No one in the professional world is going to think less of a degree from PSU because of what happened to the football team. That's one of the reasons the reactions of so many of the cultists are bizarre - what happens to their football team doesn't reflect on them.

At least not until they start running their mouths and try to get into internet prick waving contests about whether their PSU degree is worth more than a degree from somewhere else, haha.

 

[Possessed Freak]

Any alum of Penn State should be ashamed and furious with the way the school handled this, more so than any other person. Your school was involved in covering up a decades-long history of pedophilia for the sake of the football program. Unlike you, I have a level head. If I were an alum or a current student of Penn State I'd be asking for my money back.

I am deeply ashamed. But I am not asking for my money back. Nor should they agree to refunds. 4 people does not a university make.

Think about what someone will say when they read your resume and see the Penn State grad line.

Depends on the major, pretty damn sure engineers from that school will not be shunned based on this.

 

[zinfamous]

The "conditions" that exist at Penn State exist at just about every major university. If you really want to solve the problem then shut down college football.

No, not at all.

PSU is one of very few (Read: 3 or 4) D1 Universities that has an independent AD. They are not part of the University budget and all internal financial and organizational issues are handled first by the AD before, if ever, they arrive to the University.

There are other universities--hell, I believe that all D1 programs--that place an inordinate amount of power and influence in their largest sports programs, especially considering that these programs bring a pittance in revenue to the University in comparison to academics and research(you know--the purpose of a University).

So you do see an out-of-order power structure in all places, a potential willingness to let things slide for the sake of this power structure (Read: all other NCAA investigations). You mentioned Syracuse--yes, there is another example. ....and I wonder if PSU had not been fresh--the consequences not already public--how Syracuse would have acted? If PSU was not already the example that it was becoming, would Boheim and Syracuse acted to protect this? well, maybe. maybe not. But I'm pretty sure that PSU's example played a big role in how they handled this.

Boheim makes one bone-headed comment, then quickly re-asses. Paterno was obviously incapable of this. ...but to compare the two is indeed quite laughable. Paterno is an institution in and of himself. Does anyone really ahve to go back to the archives of sports tapes pre-Nov 2011, to look into the endless lauding and praise of this legend?

His media and community-anointed status as the "Mayor of State College?" To recognize that the same misguided priorities exist at all universities is to accept reality; but to deny that the cult of Paterno at PSU was no different than every other program is ludicrous.

Structurally, publicly, historically--the culture of PSU football is/was extremely unique in college football. This has been beaten into the public's brains for decades every Saturday; before not only every PSU game by every media outlet covering it, but during and preceding most any game that may or may not be related to PSU. This history is there, and it is created by the very same "sports journalists" that now cry foul about the NCAA and "improperly" punishing what became a unique football culture problem (largely established by the media) as not a football problem.

How many Videos of "Paterno: the Myth, the Man, the Legend" or whatever do we need to go back and re-watch to remind ourselves of the decades spent on casting PSU as truly unique in all of college football?

 

[zinfamous]

Uh.. I've been saying from the beginning that the 4 stooges should be hung. The only people I've defended in this thread are the students, players, and residents who had nothing to do with this, and are just as outraged as anyone else about what happened.

the students are outraged about what happened? you mean the students that were outraged when Paterno was fired?

The ones that rioted and protested and held vigils for the loss of their beloved coach?

wait--what exactly where they outraged about?

:hmm:

 

[Jeffg010]

The NCAA would simply expel PSU. That would cost PSU far more than $60M, which is why it won't happen.

Though if you read what some of the hotheaded trustees and slavering fans write online, they might not be thinking clearly enough to realize that.

The only reason that the schools put up all the fines and crap is there is no other place to play sports. The schools will do what ever NCAA tells them because of fear of losing 100's of millions of dollars from not playing. The only thing NCAA really has power over is letting you play.

 

[bignateyk]

the students are outraged about what happened? you mean the students that were outraged when Paterno was fired?

The ones that rioted and protested and held vigils for the loss of their beloved coach?

wait--what exactly where they outraged about?

:hmm:

You realize there are close to 100,000 students, right? And that a few hundred people rioting doesn't equate to 100,000?

 

[zinfamous]

As for the degree, why would you ask for your money back? You paid for an education, not to watch football.

yeah...that doesn't seem to be the understanding of the current students...

 

[pelov]

Depends on the major, pretty damn sure engineers from that school will not be shunned based on this.

My point was that it's a point of contention and ultimately a topic that portrays the university in a negative way. Any logical person would conclude that being a Penn State grad doesn't mean you're a supporter of the football program or their recent behavior, but school's also rely very heavily on their reputation in order to reel in more students. Although this doesn't affect the engineering program, your engineering degree (or whatever) still says Penn State and this issue isn't likely to go away tomorrow. The school's name is being dragged in the mud because of what a few penisfaces did for the sake of the football program. That's not cool.

Also, don't forget that while you went there (or perhaps not you but certainly others), the school was more worried about its football than they were its image and its curriculum and quality of education. Like I said, I'd want my money back.

If I were paying that much money per year, you'd bet your ass I'd want everything to be revolved around a quality education and not football. This quite clearly was not the case at Penn State and I have a feeling this is true for a lot of these sports schools. It's the same reason I declined a scholarship to St. John's. I don't care about your basketball team or your soccer team, I'm not here for that. If the football coach is making decisions that affect the entire school, you'd bet I'd look to go elsewhere.

 

[bignateyk]

yeah...that doesn't seem to be the understanding of the current students...

Once again: "You realize there are close to 100,000 students, right? And that a few hundred people rioting doesn't equate to 100,000? "