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Penn State protects child rapist that was former famous D-Coordinator

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OutHouse said:
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that's about as succinct as you can get and boggles the mind why anyone would defend any of these guys, particularly Paterno. There is no way in hell he didn't know what was going on, and whether he reported it to his "boss" or not, fact is Paterno was the most powerful man on that campus. This is the same man who kicked the AD and President out of his house when they tried to convince him to retire years ago.
 
rchiu said:
People who actually knew JoePa and his character, his track record of guiding and mentoring young people, are getting bashed as blindly protecting him.
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To tell you the truth I haven't found one article out there from someone well known in the sports world, who knows JoePa personally, that has actually published a statement or blog article that's considered protecting/in favor of him.

Please help us find at least one of these people and show their blog article or whatever you can find on the web regarding this matter. They must have written about it somewhere, right?

(Unless you're talking about yourself here, implying that you know JoePa personally instead of just being a fanboy in denial)
 
rchiu said:
What about the fact JoePa went to the key people in school that is suppose to take care of this type of things the very next day? Include the VP overseeing campus police at the time?

You just "forget" those fact because it doesn't fit the bullsh!h you are trying to sell here?
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everyone reminds you that this is not in question. why do you keep repeating that as if no one understands this?

You clearly have no understanding of the nature of what went wrong, here.

You seem to be the type that is brainwashed into some type of bullheaded corporate chain-of-command structure. This makes you petty, and incapable of making true leadership decisions as you have buried morality and human decency beneath the veil of corporate structure.

sad.

also--what is your stake in JoePa/PSU? You suggest that you have an inside track on this man and who he is, yet you continue to avoid these details.
 
CPA said:
that's about as succinct as you can get and boggles the mind why anyone would defend any of these guys, particularly Paterno. There is no way in hell he didn't know what was going on, and whether he reported it to his "boss" or not, fact is Paterno was the most powerful man on that campus. This is the same man who kicked the AD and President out of his house when they tried to convince him to retire years ago.
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Most succinct part of that article:

"Penn State should be shut down. Not just the football program - the entire university. Shut it down immediately."
 
rchiu said:
What about the fact JoePa went to the key people in school that is suppose to take care of this type of things the very next day? Include the VP overseeing campus police at the time?

You just "forget" those fact because it doesn't fit the bullsh!h you are trying to sell here?
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I haven't read the last few pages, but I think the consensus is that a lot of ppl deserve to get their ass kicked for letting this go on as long as it has, not just JoePa. It would certainly be tragic if we just let it end at JoePa.
 
cronos said:
To tell you the truth I haven't found one article out there from someone well known in the sports world, who knows JoePa personally, that has actually published a statement or blog article that's considered protecting/in favor of him.

Please help us find at least one of these people and show their blog article or whatever you can find on the web regarding this matter. They must have written about it somewhere, right?

(Unless you're talking about yourself here, implying that you know JoePa personally instead of just being a fanboy in denial)
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exactly--everyone that has come out and worked closely with him and the PSU football program in the past, are completely heart-broken over this, and yet find themselves incapable of separating Paterno from what happened.

Not a single one of them has posited the possibility that Paterno could be unaware of what was going on, and that he very clearly did not do his full duty. All of these people have known and worked quite closely with him--so I'm guessing Richiu most be family or something, as he clearly knows this man better than all those who have worked with him and been coached by him.
 
If these kids were pimped out, no doubt they would be looking into whether or not granPa likes little boys and if this was a reason he gave sandusky so much cover.
 
jjsole said:
If these kids were pimped out, no doubt they would be looking into whether or not granPa likes little boys and if this was a reason he gave sandusky so much cover.
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It wasn't just him that covered, it was the entire university from the TOP. Which pretty much suggests that all the "heads" of the university probably liked tiny penis.
 
joshsquall said:
Assuming all of the allegations and reported tidbits are true, I think I would probably have to agree with firing everyone involved who didn't contact the police. If you see or hear about someone molesting children and don't go to the police, it's both a moral and legal issue. It doesn't sound to me like the coaches tried to cover it up (they reported it to their superiors), but they definitely failed to uphold their moral (and probably legal) duty to report it to the police.

If this was a case of something that isn't extremely morally and legally objectionable, such as an athlete smoking dope or getting his girlfriend pregnant, I can understand the desire to handle it in house and keep it out of the media. When children are being harmed and you have information about it and don't report it to the authorities, even if you would lose your job over it, you are not a good person. This is more than a "I need to keep this quiet" CYA event. This is one of the most reprehensible acts in society and should have been reported by every person in the chain that learned about it. That is wasn't speaks volumes about the character of each person involved and would cause me to immediately fire them as well.

I also don't know how you walk in on that and then just shut the door and walk away. It is your responsibility to defend those who can't defend themselves.
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While I agree that more SHOULD have been done, Paterno only had a legal obligation to report this "up the line," not to go to the police. Apparently, Pennsylvania is one of a handful of states that doesn't legally require someone to go to the police...but merely to report it to his superiors. I read that the state legislature has been talking about correcting that.

I'm in the camp that wonders, if there was so much evidence against Sandusky, why wasn't he prosecuted?

SHOULD Paterno have also reported the heresay story to the police? Yes, in retrospect, he probably should have, but he had NO PROOF, merely a report.


OutHouse said:
here are the facts. deal with it.

A graduate assistant in the Penn State football program. testified before the grand jury, and the grand jury found him to be "extremely credible". This grad assistant testified that he literally walked in on Sandusky anally raping a ten year old boy in the Penn State football locker room showers. Right in the middle of the act itself. He even testified that both Sandusky and the child turned and looked at him - in the middle of the rape act.

What did this grad assistant do? He ran away. He ran away from a child in the midst of being raped. The next day he went to Joe Paterno's house and told Joe Paterno what he saw. In this we have the proof that Joe Paterno KNEW what Sandusky was, and he basically let it slide. For this, Joe Paterno deserves not only to lose his job, but he also deserves to spend some time in prison. Aw, but he's a kind old man. That may be. But that "kind old man" let a man whom he KNEW to be a child rapist have the run of his football facility until JUST LAST WEEK.
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What crime would you charge Paterno with? He followed the letter of the law in reporting what he had been told to his superiors/campus police.

Again, I don't see that Paterno KNEW Sandusky was a child rapist...merely that he had heard ONE account that was never prosecuted.

Yes, if Sandusky is convicted, he should be summarily executed. I have a strong dislike for child molesters...but I'm not one to round up a lynch mob merely on accusations and rumors.
 
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AMDZen said:
It wasn't just him that covered, it was the entire university from the TOP. Which pretty much suggests that all the "heads" of the university probably liked tiny penis.
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They could have. Or could have appreciated some big university donors who also happened to like pnis...

Hope not.
 
rchiu said:
What about the fact JoePa went to the key people in school that is suppose to take care of this type of things the very next day? Include the VP overseeing campus police at the time?

You just "forget" those fact because it doesn't fit the bullsh!h you are trying to sell here?
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look dipshit, the schools does not take care of kids getting raped in the football locker room!!! its a crime and you call the fucking cops. jesus why is that so hard for you to understand????

the other thing that bothers me is that the guy was caught TWICE with kids in the shower by two different people. and NEITHER of them did a damn thing to stop it they ran away!! he was also investigated in 1998 by Child protective service for assaulting a child.

now one has to ask what kind of infrastructure/culture/fear was in play at the school that would make two grown men to turn around and walk away after seeing some shit like that? seriously, wtf!!!

why was this guy given continued full access and the royal treatment by PSU after they KNEW he was a sick fuck?
 
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jjsole said:
They could have. Or could have appreciated some big university donors who also happened to like pnis...

Hope not.
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Pretty much goes without saying. The problem is that it also goes without saying that this shit definitely went down. No doubt in my mind, unfortunately
 
BoomerD, if you are interested you really should listen to the accounts from people who's been in Penn State and understand the culture there. I was somewhat on the fence myself until I listened to the Kim Jones radio interview posted in the first (or maybe second) page of this thread. There's really next to zero chance of him not knowing. These people are family, they're really close.


Btw, the original Madden rumor yesterday was that Sandusky was 'pimping boys to rich donors'. It was understood that it is referring to the Second Mile donors, not Penn State booster. I really think it's a very important distinction here.
 
I am beginning to think that rchiu was a victim of Sandusky and somehow was brain washed into thinking that this kind of behavior is acceptable in a college. Hmmm.....
 
zinfamous said:
everyone reminds you that this is not in question. why do you keep repeating that as if no one understands this?

You clearly have no understanding of the nature of what went wrong, here.

You seem to be the type that is brainwashed into some type of bullheaded corporate chain-of-command structure. This makes you petty, and incapable of making true leadership decisions as you have buried morality and human decency beneath the veil of corporate structure.

sad.

also--what is your stake in JoePa/PSU? You suggest that you have an inside track on this man and who he is, yet you continue to avoid these details.
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Yeah, I clearly understand what's wrong here. There are two type of people posting here:
1) Those idiots insisting JoePa is guilty of some crime, there is some cover up and the primary function of PSU is pimping young kids.
2) Those people thinking JoePa is "morally" responsible for not going to the police after the school administrator didn't do enough.

My previous post was addressing idiots belong to #1.

For those belong to #2, I sure hope you hold everyone to the same moral standard and not just JoePa, or that make you all hypocrites.

I got my MBA in PSU. I met JoePa in a few occasions and speeches. Some of my friend are close friends of Paterno family. I have first hand experience meeting him, talking to him and talking to people who knew him extremely well. While that doesn't qualify me as "fully" knowing JoePa's character, at least what I post is based on first hand experience, unlike all you armchair generals.
 
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rchiu said:
Yeah, I clearly understand what's wrong here. There are two type of people posting here:
1) Those idiots insisting JoePa is guilty of some crime, there is some cover up and the primary function of PSU is pimping young kids.
2) Those people thinking JoePa is "morally" responsible for not going to the police after the school administrator didn't do enough.

My previous post was addressing idiots belong to #1.

For those belong to #2, I sure hope you hold everyone to the same moral standard and not just JoePa, or that make you all hypocrites.

I got my MBA in PSU. I met JoePa in a few occasions and speeches. Some of my friend are close friends of Paterno family. I have first hand experience meeting him, talking to him and talking to people who knew him extremely well. While that doesn't qualify me as "fully" knowing JoePa's character, at least what I post is based on first hand experience, unlike all you armchair generals.
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Fvckin 'a...you've been flushed out.

Well done, Zin.
 
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rchiu said:
2) Those people thinking JoePa is "morally" responsible for going to the police after the school administrator didn't do enough.
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you are a morally bankrupt individual.

to answer your question. YES! as a human being he does have the moral responsibility to take it to the cops.

we are talking about a member of his staff catching a former member of his staff raping a child in HIS locker room, not two football players fighting in the locker room.
 
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OutHouse said:
you are a morally bankrupt individual.

to answer your question. YES! as a human being he does have the moral responsibility to take it to the cops.
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Even JoePa himself admitted that he wished he had done more. Unless rchiu believes that he was not being genuine when he said that.
 
cronos said:
Even JoePa himself admitted that he wished he had done more. Unless rchiu believes that he was not being genuine when he said that.
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"With the benefit of hindsight...", of course.

Like he needed more information to make more informed decisions. 😀
 
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rchiu said:
I got my MBA in PSU. I met JoePa in a few occasions and speeches. Some of my friend are close friends of Paterno family. I have first hand experience meeting him, talking to him and talking to people who knew him extremely well. While that doesn't qualify me as "fully" knowing JoePa's character, at least what I post is based on first hand experience, unlike all you armchair generals.
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I rest my case. My Spidey sense was tingling.....
 
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