Penn State protects child rapist that was former famous D-Coordinator

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[Miramonti]

The irony of granPa is that he did dedicate so much his life to helping and teaching kids. He has positively affected soooooo many lives, this isn't disputed. He no doubt could be an @sshole and perhaps even dictator at times at penn state, but he really did help turn many young kids into men during his storied tenure.

Yet he apparently didn't do anything of substance to protect kids outside his program from his friend/child predator Sandusky, other than fulfill a legal obligation to report what he heard after this incident...even while knowing this was more than an isolated case and that other kids (as well as the same kid) must have been at risk.

It's easier to understand why the other university retards thought it best to protect the university and not draw attention to this (as wrong and unacceptable as that was/is), but not Paterno's apparent mentality of distancing himself from the issue and threat that was sandusky.

However just because it's extremely confusing, it doesn't exonerate him in the slightest imo.

 

[Zargon]

It's idiots like rchiu why our country is in such a shitty state. I can't believe you have people excusing others just because they weren't watching the rapist molest little boys with his own two eyes. rchiu, seriously, are you messed up in the head?

Joe Pa had knowledge of what was going on, passing the buck on is not the way to handle a child rape situation. If you think it is, then you are either messed up in the head or a complete moron. When you hear about something like a kid getting raped in your god damn facility you do whatever is in your power to get to the bottom of it. That includes going to the police, not send a memo to your boss going, 'Hey boss, some guy is rapin kids in here. Just a FYI.' then go back to football.

Take some god damn responsibility. Joe Pa wasn't some janitor at Pedo State, even if he was, he is still obligated to do whatever he can to ensure the police keep the child rapist as far away from kids as possible.

whats really sad is that most of the outcry here is aimed at PSU and not the organization sandusky ran that was called about his actions EVERYTIME

 

[Squisher]

JoPa's to do list circa 2002:

Get North end end of field reseeded
Hire coaching assistant
Recruit a running back and two wideouts
Need to get office repainted
Pick up dry cleaning
Report child rapist


Does anything stand out on this list?

 

[GrumpyMan]

Judging by his comments it seems to me that rchiu is related to Paterno somehow and attended Pedo State, he also favors child rape instead of firing blind enablers.

rchiu = obtuse and discombobulated.

 

[SP33Demon]

whats really sad is that most of the outcry here is aimed at PSU and not the organization sandusky ran that was called about his actions EVERYTIME

Last I checked, the it's not the people of 2nd Mile acting like they did nothing wrong, it's Paterno (in personally thinking he deserves to finish coaching this season) and PSU by not firing McQeary yet.

 

[SAWYER]

There is no defending this shit, how appalling. This should have been rooted out and dealt with, f&*k football. Dealing with this should have been the only concern

 

[DrunkenSano]

When kids are being molested and raped, and your first concern is your reputation or your schools reputation? You're doing it wrong.

 

[Miramonti]

whats really sad is that most of the outcry here is aimed at PSU and not the organization sandusky ran that was called about his actions EVERYTIME

That's only because we have more information about PSU and not the organization.

But there is rumored to be news pending about the organization that the public will find absolutely horrifying (ie pimping kids to high donors, which someone mentioned here earlier and is linked thru on huffingtonpost.)

 

[DrunkenSano]

When that new information comes out, there will no doubt be lynch mobs. And no, we won't be sparing them on the forums either. Personally I think all those guilty of child molestation and pimping out kids should be executed.

 

[OutHouse]

http://www.barnhardt.biz/

It is now all over the internet that Sandusky was running a high-dollar pedophile ring, and that "Second Mile" was merely a front and means of recruiting and enslaving young boys who were then pimped to wealthy Penn State donors for sex.

Penn State should be shut down. Not just the football program - the entire university. Shut it down immediately. Any student of Penn State with any sense should be making arrangements to transfer to another university, because graduating from Penn State would necessitate that said person list Penn State on their resume, which will now be a major, major strike against that person. Why? Because they knowingly entered and subsidized a cult that worshiped an old man who "coached" a football team. And, as it turns out, that old man facilitated and enabled a massive pedophile ring. Further, said students, even after learning of this and seeing that "old man" fired, RIOTED last night IN SUPPORT OF THE CULT LEADER / PEDOPHILE RING ENABLER.

TIMELINE:

1998: Sandusky is investigated for an incident involving himself sexually assaulting a young boy in the Penn State showers. Child Protective Services investigate. The university is fully notified.

1999: Sandusky, age 55, is suddenly forced into retirement at his prime, when all previous indications were that he was the heir-apparent to Paterno, who was 72 years old at the time. The retirement package is now thought to have been in exchange for Penn State covering up Sandusky's pedophilia. Sandusky's pedophilia is being called a "poorly kept secret" in the world of Division I football, which explains why one of the top coaches in the nation was not even offered any other position after Penn State.

2000: Despite being retired from Penn State and no longer being in the employment of Penn State or Paterno, Sandusky has unfettered access to the Penn State facilities and travels with the team. In the fall of 2000 a janitor catches Sandusky orally raping a young boy in the football team's showers after hours. Sandusky OBVIOUSLY had keys and passcards which gave him full access despite being no longer "employed" by PSU or Paterno.

2002: Sandusky is caught AGAIN in the showers, this time anally raping a young boy, and is caught by Mike McQueary, who is now an assistant coach. Sandusky STILL has keys and passcards to PSU facilities.

2009: Grand jury investigation begins after a 15 year old boy reported Sandusky to police. Penn State top brass, including Paterno, are called to testify. Sandusky is still seen using PSU football facilities.

Week of 10/30-11/5, 2011: Sandusky is seen working out in a PSU football weight room.

They all knew. Not only that, but Sandusky felt "safe" using the PSU football facilities and showers as his rape room, and was indeed caught repeatedly with zero consequences. Think about that. Sandusky was CAUGHT red handed in the showers sexually assaulting boys in 1998 and 2000, and there was even an investigation as a result of the 1998 incident, and yet Sandusky still felt so "safe" at PSU that he continued to bring boys there to be raped. He continued to hang around the team and be seen in the near-constant company of young boys. Sandusky's confidence is extremely telling.

Penn State should be shut down, and anyone who knew about this should be facing down multi-decade prison sentences. Paterno should die in prison.

Pedophiles should be executed. Justice, in charity, demands it. Find every single participant in the "Second Mile" pedophile ring and let justice be done swiftly upon him.

UPDATE: POSSIBLE MURDER LINKAGE?

The Centre County District Attorney who sparred with Penn State over Sandusky, but never prosecuted, was murdered in 2005. Ray Gricar's empty car was found in a parking lot on April 16, 2005, and his laptop, missing its hard drive, was found nearby in the Susquehanna River. Gricar's body has never been found, and he was declared dead earlier this year.

Pedophile and sex slavery rings are some of the most dangerous, powerful and wealthy criminal organizations in the world.

 

[Miramonti]

It is now all over the internet that Sandusky was running a high-dollar pedophile ring, and that "Second Mile" was merely a front and means of recruiting and enslaving young boys who were then pimped to wealthy Penn State donors for sex.

There is a lot of things all over the internet.

However there is a value to substantiated facts and evidence of them, or acknowledgement of their existence by credible sources/authorities, and this has not been released afaik.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

no, child RAPE.

You're not wrong, per se but child rape is a category of child abuse. It like if I said, "Monkeys eat fruit," and you said, "No, monkeys eat BANANAS." Neither statement is incorrect.

not child abuse.

Rape is not abuse? Really?

dude is not concerned with child RAPE. Let's stop confusing terms, here.

I agree that "child abuse" is an understatement vis a vis "child rape," but that doesn't make the things that I've said false.

he is more concerned with some supposed culture of poor people wanting to take down gods because they get their stones off on it--regardless if it involves child RAPE.

you know, such a sound argument.

No disagreement from me here.

 

[Zargon]

That's only because we have more information about PSU and not the organization.

But there is rumored to be news pending about the organization that the public will find absolutely horrifying (ie pimping kids to high donors, which someone mentioned here earlier and is linked thru on huffingtonpost.)

yeah and I read a rumor that the president is really a arab terrorist.....

I'll beleive it when there is a piece of real evidence

 

[zinfamous]

I understand the issue all too well. He is famous, he is an easy target, he gets smeared and put down. You people enjoy bashing famous people, make you guys feel good like you are better than them.

Outrage my @ss.....what a joke.

this is why you are petty, and your argument is baseless.

I gauran-fucking-tee you that 99% of the people in this forum, and just about anywhere else that know anything about Paterno, up until one week ago, would never think such things. And even after the info came out, I think it took a day or two to truly absorb what was going on here.

I know it was difficult for me to grasp--you can look at earlier posts here and elsewhere--but the temptation to say "what a shame it has to end this way" is/was quite difficult.

Because, as you see, the reality shows you that there is no "shame" in reputation anymore, not what we feel, anyway--but what he allowed to happen. We all thought he was a great leader, an upstanding individual, but that is clearly not the case. Was he simply naive? It's easy to think that, but no one who has ever worked with the dude ever considered him slow or unaware, even at his age.

 

[rchiu]

It's idiots like rchiu why our country is in such a shitty state. I can't believe you have people excusing others just because they weren't watching the rapist molest little boys with his own two eyes. rchiu, seriously, are you messed up in the head?

Joe Pa had knowledge of what was going on, passing the buck on is not the way to handle a child rape situation. If you think it is, then you are either messed up in the head or a complete moron. When you hear about something like a kid getting raped in your god damn facility you do whatever is in your power to get to the bottom of it. That includes going to the police, not send a memo to your boss going, 'Hey boss, some guy is rapin kids in here. Just a FYI.' then go back to football.

Take some god damn responsibility. Joe Pa wasn't some janitor at Pedo State, even if he was, he is still obligated to do whatever he can to ensure the police keep the child rapist as far away from kids as possible.

Yeah, you all have ways to twist the fact. JoePa went to the people whose job is specifically to handle this type of things. Gary Schultz, the VP JoePa talked to oversaw the PSU campus police at the time. He went to those people the next day he heard about the incident and you people characterize him as excusing the rapist, covering up, passing the buck.

You all sure hold JoePa to such a high standard. He should take responsibility to get to the bottom? He should ensure the police keep the child rapist as far away? Really? I repeat again, even the Centre county prosecutor with a victim filing the case, Sandusky admitting guilty, didn't put Sandusky away. Why? Where are those people's responsibility, why weren't there a task force setup to get to the bottom? Those people had 100 times more info than JoePa, why wasn't there anything done, and why aren't you outraged about that? And JoePa with his second hand info and with no victim coming forward is suppose to get to the bottom of thing and make sure every bureaucrat does their job?

Anyway, there is too much of mob mentality these days in America. People who actually knew JoePa and his character, his track record of guiding and mentoring young people, are getting bashed as blindly protecting him. And people getting all the information from the Internet, read a couple of news article, got their hands on some half baked fact, all of the sudden became this expert judge of character.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Assuming all of the allegations and reported tidbits are true, I think I would probably have to agree with firing everyone involved who didn't contact the police. If you see or hear about someone molesting children and don't go to the police, it's both a moral and legal issue. It doesn't sound to me like the coaches tried to cover it up (they reported it to their superiors), but they definitely failed to uphold their moral (and probably legal) duty to report it to the police.

If this was a case of something that isn't extremely morally and legally objectionable, such as an athlete smoking dope or getting his girlfriend pregnant, I can understand the desire to handle it in house and keep it out of the media. When children are being harmed and you have information about it and don't report it to the authorities, even if you would lose your job over it, you are not a good person. This is more than a "I need to keep this quiet" CYA event. This is one of the most reprehensible acts in society and should have been reported by every person in the chain that learned about it. That is wasn't speaks volumes about the character of each person involved and would cause me to immediately fire them as well.

I also don't know how you walk in on that and then just shut the door and walk away. It is your responsibility to defend those who can't defend themselves.

 

[zinfamous]

whats really sad is that most of the outcry here is aimed at PSU and not the organization sandusky ran that was called about his actions EVERYTIME

good point.

...and I do find the "Pedo State" stuff a bit annoying and disingenuous.

I understand that for a lot of people, the concept of college doesn't really go past "football," which is especially true for PSU. The problem here, though, is that while this cover-up seems to be deep-seeded in several levels of that organization, PSU is a massive institution. It probably seems odd to most people, but as far as the actual school goes, this football program is a very small part of what this University does, and labeling them all Pedos for the actions of some high-ranking officials is rather childish.

I get that this is college rivalry type stuff, but with what Gigantopithicus is saying, if the U of Wisconsin student body is actively lobbying to forfeit that game, then I think they get it. Showing up to a game with that kind of fervor is completely out of line, and while certainly these actions tend to be short-lived and alcohol-fueled responses by college kids, it doesn't really excuse it.


just sayin...

 

[Miramonti]

Yeah, you all have ways to twist the fact. JoePa went to the people whose job is specifically to handle this type of things. Gary Schultz, the VP JoePa talked to oversaw the PSU campus police at the time. He went to those people the next day he heard about the incident and you people characterize him as excusing the rapist, covering up, passing the buck.

You all sure hold JoePa to such a high standard. He should take responsibility to get to the bottom? He should ensure the police keep the child rapist as far away? Really? I repeat again, even the Centre county prosecutor with a victim filing the case, Sandusky admitting guilty, didn't put Sandusky away. Why? Where are those people's responsibility, why weren't there a task force setup to get to the bottom? Those people had 100 times more info than JoePa, why wasn't there anything done, and why aren't you outraged about that? And JoePa with his second hand info and with no victim coming forward is suppose to get to the bottom of thing and make sure every bureaucrat does their job?

Anyway, there is too much of mob mentality these days in America. People who actually knew JoePa and his character, his track record of guiding and mentoring young people, are getting bashed as blindly protecting him. And people getting all the information from the Internet, read a couple of news article, got their hands on some half baked fact, all of the sudden became this expert judge of character.

I think you're fighting politics and demons that have little to do with the facts in this situation.

Respectfully tho, if that's not the case, please don't ever take a position of responsibility where others have to count on you...ever.

 

[OutHouse]

Yeah, you all have ways to twist the fact. JoePa went to the people whose job is specifically to handle this type of things. Gary Schultz, the VP JoePa talked to oversaw the PSU campus police at the time. He went to those people the next day he heard about the incident and you people characterize him as excusing the rapist, covering up, passing the buck.

You all sure hold JoePa to such a high standard. He should take responsibility to get to the bottom? He should ensure the police keep the child rapist as far away? Really? I repeat again, even the Centre county prosecutor with a victim filing the case, Sandusky admitting guilty, didn't put Sandusky away. Why? Where are those people's responsibility, why weren't there a task force setup to get to the bottom? Those people had 100 times more info than JoePa, why wasn't there anything done, and why aren't you outraged about that? And JoePa with his second hand info and with no victim coming forward is suppose to get to the bottom of thing and make sure every bureaucrat does their job?

Anyway, there is too much of mob mentality these days in America. People who actually knew JoePa and his character, his track record of guiding and mentoring young people, are getting bashed as blindly protecting him. And people getting all the information from the Internet, read a couple of news article, got their hands on some half baked fact, all of the sudden became this expert judge of character.

here are the facts. deal with it.

A graduate assistant in the Penn State football program. testified before the grand jury, and the grand jury found him to be "extremely credible". This grad assistant testified that he literally walked in on Sandusky anally raping a ten year old boy in the Penn State football locker room showers. Right in the middle of the act itself. He even testified that both Sandusky and the child turned and looked at him - in the middle of the rape act.

What did this grad assistant do? He ran away. He ran away from a child in the midst of being raped. The next day he went to Joe Paterno's house and told Joe Paterno what he saw. In this we have the proof that Joe Paterno KNEW what Sandusky was, and he basically let it slide. For this, Joe Paterno deserves not only to lose his job, but he also deserves to spend some time in prison. Aw, but he's a kind old man. That may be. But that "kind old man" let a man whom he KNEW to be a child rapist have the run of his football facility until JUST LAST WEEK.

 

[zinfamous]

You're not wrong, per se but child rape is a category of child abuse. It like if I said, "Monkeys eat fruit," and you said, "No, monkeys eat BANANAS." Neither statement is incorrect.


Rape is not abuse? Really?



I agree that "child abuse" is an understatement vis a vis "child rape," but that doesn't make the things that I've said false.


No disagreement from me here.

come on...let's not play semantic games here.

yes, rape is a type of abuse--but to downplay it in this situation is to pretty much use the language of McQuery and Curly, and JoePa. The media keeps using these terms, and it's mind-boggling.

And I think the full reality of what has happened still needs to driven home to some people out there.

shocking, I know.

 

[zinfamous]

Anyway, there is too much of mob mentality these days in America. People who actually knew JoePa and his character, his track record of guiding and mentoring young people, are getting bashed as blindly protecting him. And people getting all the information from the Internet, read a couple of news article, got their hands on some half baked fact, all of the sudden became this expert judge of character.

full disclosure here: how do you fully know JoePa and his character? Like I said, those things were without question only a week ago for many of us. It's not for nothing that your "mob" has turned against him and believe me--it is not without facts.


and again, that DA that you continue to claim "saw no wrong" with Sandusky was murdered under suspicious circumstances.

...this doesn't register with you, does it?

 

[slayer202]

here are the facts. deal with it.

A graduate assistant in the Penn State football program. testified before the grand jury, and the grand jury found him to be "extremely credible". This grad assistant testified that he literally walked in on Sandusky anally raping a ten year old boy in the Penn State football locker room showers. Right in the middle of the act itself. He even testified that both Sandusky and the child turned and looked at him - in the middle of the rape act.

What did this grad assistant do? He ran away. He ran away from a child in the midst of being raped. The next day he went to Joe Paterno's house and told Joe Paterno what he saw. In this we have the proof that Joe Paterno KNEW what Sandusky was, and he basically let it slide. For this, Joe Paterno deserves not only to lose his job, but he also deserves to spend some time in prison. Aw, but he's a kind old man. That may be. But that "kind old man" let a man whom he KNEW to be a child rapist have the run of his football facility until JUST LAST WEEK.

Reading about what the guy witnessed, I don't understand how he didn't reach for a heavy object and beat the guy to death. Didn't call the cops, instead told joe paterno? What an asshole. Paterno not doing anything is almost just as bad. Either the witness is just a weak person and was relying on Paterno to do the right thing, or they consipired to cover it up. Either way, they both deserve some jail time

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

come on...let's not play semantic games here.

Well, it wasn't me that took issue with the choice of words used by another poster.

yes, rape is a type of abuse--but to downplay it in this situation is to pretty much use the language of McQuery and Curly, and JoePa. The media keeps using these terms, and it's mind-boggling.

It isn't and wasn't my intent to downplay anything. Rather, I chose a more general term to describe the whole of the crimes perpetrated by Sandusky which were not limited to rape.

 

[rchiu]

here are the facts. deal with it.

A graduate assistant in the Penn State football program. testified before the grand jury, and the grand jury found him to be "extremely credible". This grad assistant testified that he literally walked in on Sandusky anally raping a ten year old boy in the Penn State football locker room showers. Right in the middle of the act itself. He even testified that both Sandusky and the child turned and looked at him - in the middle of the rape act.

What did this grad assistant do? He ran away. He ran away from a child in the midst of being raped. The next day he went to Joe Paterno's house and told Joe Paterno what he saw. In this we have the proof that Joe Paterno KNEW what Sandusky was, and he basically let it slide. For this, Joe Paterno deserves not only to lose his job, but he also deserves to spend some time in prison. Aw, but he's a kind old man. That may be. But that "kind old man" let a man whom he KNEW to be a child rapist have the run of his football facility until JUST LAST WEEK.

What about the fact JoePa went to the key people in school that is suppose to take care of this type of things the very next day? Include the VP overseeing campus police at the time?

You just "forget" those fact because it doesn't fit the bullsh!h you are trying to sell here?