Penn State protects child rapist that was former famous D-Coordinator

[alien42]

It's funny you mention the grand jury testimony. The report mentioned JoePa in like 3 paragraph out of 23 something pages and absolutely didn't find any problem with the way JoePa dealt with the situation. It specifically mentioned JoePa was told on a Sat. and promptly discussed with the admin by Sun. And it specifically fault the school admin for not contacting police.

so if you were Paterno and a grad student told you he witnessed Sandusky raping a 10 year old in the shower, could you possibly see that man nearly every day after, often with a little boy, and not feel guilt and anger?

not to mention the other reports that Paterno had to have heard about. i don't think a lot of people realize just how powerful and in charge of Penn State and the township Paterno was.

And who are we talking about cover up, who did wrong? Sandusky? The Athletic director and other school admin?

really? you are disgusting.

 

[zinfamous]

Well better than someone who is morally and intellectually dishonest like you. Show me one sentence the report mentioned JP as "in charge" and violated the endangerment law. Better yet, explain why the two administrators were charged and JoePa was not.

We all know what you people are after, your little quick self pleasure by bashing successful people. Well have your fun. You have no idea what a true wonderful human being you are bashing.

One: YOu don't know me.

Two: you are a blind, petty, worthless simpleton.

How the fuck do you knwo that JoePa is "a wonderful human being?"

Sandusky was a "wonderful human being" for creating this amazing charity to help disadvantaged kids for 4 decades and attract vast swathes of donors and money to improve the lives of these poor little boys.

basically--you know no more than anyone else, yet you seem to want to be on the wrong side of the known facts.

 

[zinfamous]

There is a growing movement on campus here, organized primarily by students, to call on our university to cancel its upcoming game vs. Penn State, even if it means an L for our team for forfeiting the game. Essentially, there are a lot of people here who want absolutely nothing to do with anyone even tenuously connected to what happened at State College. Just/right or not, that sentiment exists in Madison. Friends of mine in Columbus told me there is a similar sentiment at Ohio State. Anyone there able to comment on this?

There are a lot of rumors swirling around this whole sordid sadness. But, if it comes to light that Sandusky was providing boys to pederast PSU donors, and if there was an institutional cover-up of child rape perpetrated by more individuals highly placed at PSU than just Sandusky, then I think we might see the death of an entire Tier 1 research university. Because of the power and prominence of its football team. I'm not suggesting this is right, or even likely, but this could get even worse, as hard as that is to fathom.

:thumbsup: to Wisconsin

and yeah, what Wreckem said--if there is a pimping service going on, then that is on the charity.

again--PSU football is a teeny tiny wise and beautiful woman hair of revenue for the University, despite what the residents of that Town think (well, maybe it is the only thing for State College, but the University will be just fine without it).

As such--they would do right by suspending all football activities for at least a season or two to completely clean house. I'm sure any school would be willing to take on those athletes, and NCAA waive any transfer penalties.

 

[zinfamous]

Ah, I read donors to PSU, not just the charity. Hence taking rumors with a grain of salt.

I agree, it's obviously not right to punish an entire Tier 1 university's 100,000+ students, faculty, and support staff for the actions of a handful of individuals. But cachet is extremely important to elite universities. And saying this doesn't look good for the entire Penn State University is an understatement.

The Fed, via the Department of Education, is already involved. Every single dollar from Uncle Sam that goes to a university includes boilerplate language specifically about sexual harassment, sexual misconduct, felony criminal behavior, etc. - the money disappears if anything like that happens. If you think scholarship revocation kills football programs, consider what revocation of even a small percentage of Federal student loan and research funding would do to a school like PSU.

I'm not saying that anything so drastic as PSU losing its elite status as a school will happen or that it would even be right if it did happen. But considering what's happened so far, well, we'll see. A scandal like this is absolutely unprecedented at an American university.

well, one hopes that the rare distinction that the PSU athletics department is a self-sustaining, independent entity from the general budget of the University, any financial fallout can be funneled straight into that least necessary part of the University.

though...that certainly depends upon how far this thing reaches. I can't say this going into the Academic arm of the University.

The Admin is obviously involved, but I don't see how that implicates the rest of the University.

 

[zinfamous]

so if you were Paterno and a grad student told you he witnessed Sandusky raping a 10 year old in the shower, could you possibly see that man nearly every day after, often with a little boy, and not feel guilt and anger?

not to mention the other reports that Paterno had to have heard about. i don't think a lot of people realize just how powerful and in charge of Penn State and the township Paterno was.



really? you are disgusting.

rchiu: corporate mentality of power structure and chain of command supersedes normal human morality and decency; not to mention law.

similar to some other uncanny posters here in recent weeks.... :hmm:
No idea where these people come from, to be honest.

 

[Corporate Thug]

the recovery from these lawsuits are going to be epic...I hope there is some sort of provision where Penn can turn to the state for a loan or something like that because their coffers can't even come close to the pending financial Armageddon.

 

[zinfamous]

the recovery from these lawsuits are going to be epic...I hope there is some sort of provision where Penn can turn to the state for a loan or something like that because their coffers can't even come close to the pending financial Armageddon.

PSU football is profiting $70mil per anum.

there's a start.

 

[SP33Demon]

And the first recruit has now decommitted:

Both scout.com and rivals.com rank O'Connor, who had verbally committed to the Nittany Lions in June, a four-star recruit. His father fully supports his son’s decision to decommit.

“Based on the extremely quick turn of events that has happened in the last five days, your expectations as a parent go from complete buy-in and respect and then all of a sudden everything is just exposed for what it is,” Joe Sr. said. “It’s just such a tragedy up there for those little kids and those parents. We would have to associate ourselves with something like that so you have to really take a good hard look at your values.”



Read more: http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-pennstate/133670873.html#ixzz1dNEU2OE9

 

[zinfamous]

I wouldn't expect any of them to keep their commitment.

That program is dead...for some time, anyway.

And now 90% of the undergraduate class is going to have to evaluate themselves, and ask themselves if choosing a college simply because they are football fans was a good idea.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

The report from the grand jury was over the investigation of child molestation on the part of Sandusky. It was NOT an investigation into the coverup going on at Penn State. The "missing" charges are not there because the investigation did not reach into that area, that is something that is now ongoing.

Clearly, since the Grand Jury report did not mention charges for JoPa, he must be innocent.

Also, since the report did not mention John Wilkes Booth, he clearly did not assassinate President Lincoln.

 

[rchiu]

You're totally missing the point everyone else is trying to make. As a citizen, his duty was to contact the police (not campus police). This is not something small enough to keep within campus, it should have been brought forth to the PROPER authorities.

I have addressed this n-pages ago. Go ask anyone who works for a serious business or organization. When you are a manager not dealing with HR/Personnel, and someone report to you he witnessed for example, sexual harassment, you would report to the HR/administrative division and let them handle it every single time. Anyone who doesn't live in his mother's basement would understand this.

But who cares about the facts. JoePa is a figure in football, an easy target now. Like I said already, losers want to bash good people to feel better about their pathetic life, what else are we gonna do.

 

[zinfamous]

I have addressed this n-pages ago. Go ask anyone who works for a serious business or organization. When you are a manager not dealing with HR/Personnel, and someone report to you he witnessed for example, sexual harassment, you would report to the HR/administrative division and let them handle it every single time. Anyone who doesn't live in his mother's basement would understand this.

But who cares about the facts. JoePa is a figure in football, an easy target now. Like I said already, losers want to bash good people to feel better about their pathetic life, what else are we gonna do.

why do you keep talking about sexual harassment when this issue involves RAPE?

you are morally bankrupt--and if you had kids, you would understand this.

 

[rchiu]

why do you keep talking about sexual harassment when this issue involves RAPE?

you are morally bankrupt--and if you had kids, you would understand this.

Oh now your crystal ball tell you it's rape when victim #2 (the one in 2002 incident) wasn't identified, there is no clear cut version of what was said in 2002 (I am sure you'd know that for all your claim of reading the report), if there was rape, sodomy, fondling, something in sexual nature or anything in between.

What you people don't see is that JoePa didn't witness what happened. You have no clue what was said. The only fact on the table is JoePa went to the people who should investigate and take care of things the NEXT DAY he knew about it and it was on a WEEKEND. He never delayed it, never sweep it under the rug. But hey, that's not enough because he is a football god and should have a crystal ball like you to know exactly what Sandusky did and bring him to justice.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

But who cares about the facts. JoePa is a figure in football, an easy target now. Like I said already, losers want to bash good people to feel better about their pathetic life, what else are we gonna do.

What it seems to boil down to is this: anyone that possesses knowledge of the sort that JoePa did and does NOT inform the police himself is not a good person, no matter what else they have done.

You, on the other hand, want to defend a person that does not report child abuse to the police, and allows it to continue unabated for years.

I'm pretty sure that make you a bad person, too.

Good jorb.

 

[Corporate Thug]

PSU football is profiting $70mil per anum.

there's a start.

That will settle about 5 cases or so. Let's see if they'll continue to pull $70 mil after their recruits de-pledge and the program sinks into oblivion.

 

[zinfamous]

Oh now your crystal ball tell you it's rape when victim #2 (the one in 2002 incident) wasn't identified, there is no clear cut version of what was said in 2002 (I am sure you'd know that for all your claim of reading the report), if there was rape, sodomy, fondling, something in sexual nature or anything in between.

What you people don't see is that JoePa didn't witness what happened. You have no clue what was said. The only fact on the table is JoePa went to the people who should investigate and take care of things the NEXT DAY he knew about it and it was on a WEEKEND. He never delayed it, never sweep it under the rug. But hey, that's not enough because he is a football god and should have a crystal ball like you to know exactly what Sandusky did and bring him to justice.

No, JoePa didn't witness anything. no one has ignored that.

people have only ever mentioned that when confronted with the exact information, he passed the buck, then sat back.

that, my friend, is likely criminal culpability.

Regardless, it is curious, to me, why you continue to ignore the multiple facts of RAPE involved in this case?

The known and documented decade+ of rape by this one individual, and the very likely 2+ decades of rape that he engaged in prior to the first case.

...why do you continually try to steer us back to the monster--Sandusky the rapist, and play it off as "sexual harassment?"

:hmm:


yes--Sandusky is clearly the biggest monster of the bunch..but why do you try to liken his actions to "corporate-speak malfeasance?"

 

[Corporate Thug]

I have addressed this n-pages ago. Go ask anyone who works for a serious business or organization. When you are a manager not dealing with HR/Personnel, and someone report to you he witnessed for example, sexual harassment, you would report to the HR/administrative division and let them handle it every single time. Anyone who doesn't live in his mother's basement would understand this.

But who cares about the facts. JoePa is a figure in football, an easy target now. Like I said already, losers want to bash good people to feel better about their pathetic life, what else are we gonna do.

wouldn't a reasonable person make a phone call, say a week after reporting something like, and ask "so hey, what's the deal with that thing I reported last week?"

 

[zinfamous]

That will settle about 5 cases or so. Let's see if they'll continue to pull $70 mil after their recruits de-pledge and the program sinks into oblivion.

well, yeah, it ain't going anywhere after this year. But I garaun-goddamn-tee that the personal fortunes of the top brass in all of this will be bone-dry before the lawsuits begin to pinch into the University, as well they should.

Thing is, that football profit is propping up the entire athletic department. This will very likely bring down every other athletic program, financially; and it's quite a shame, too.

But we saw what happened when Rome appointed the first Emperor, no?

 

[zinfamous]

What it seems to boil down to is this: anyone that possesses knowledge of the sort that JoePa did and does NOT inform the police himself is not a good person, no matter what else they have done.

You, on the other hand, want to defend a person that does not report child abuse to the police, and allows it to continue unabated for years.

I'm pretty sure that make you a bad person, too.

Good jorb.

no, child RAPE.

not child abuse. dude is not concerned with child RAPE. Let's stop confusing terms, here.

he is more concerned with some supposed culture of poor people wanting to take down gods because they get their stones off on it--regardless if it involves child RAPE.

you know, such a sound argument.

 

[rchiu]

No, JoePa didn't witness anything. no one has ignored that.

people have only ever mentioned that when confronted with the exact information, he passed the buck, then sat back.

that, my friend, is likely criminal culpability.

Regardless, it is curious, to me, why you continue to ignore the multiple facts of RAPE involved in this case?

The known and documented decade+ of rape by this one individual, and the very likely 2+ decades of rape that he engaged in prior to the first case.

...why do you continually try to steer us back to the monster--Sandusky the rapist, and play it off as "sexual harassment?"

:hmm:


yes--Sandusky is clearly the biggest monster of the bunch..but why do you try to liken his actions to "corporate-speak malfeasance?"

Since everything is all so clear to you that there are multiple FACTS of RAPE, maybe you care to explain why Pennsylvania didn't brought the case against Sandusky in 1998? How do they let a serial rapist go if the FACT is so clear.

 

[zinfamous]

wouldn't a reasonable person make a phone call, say a week after reporting something like, and ask "so hey, what's the deal with that thing I reported last week?"

nah, he doesn't have kids. cases of child RAPE are of no concern to him...and rightfully so?

:\

 

[zinfamous]

Since everything is all so clear to you that there are multiple FACTS of RAPE, maybe you care to explain why Pennsylvania didn't brought the case against Sandusky in 1998? How do they let a serial rapist go if the FACT is so clear.

That DA vanished, right?

:hmm:

lol

 

[HendrixFan]

wouldn't a reasonable person make a phone call, say a week after reporting something like, and ask "so hey, what's the deal with that thing I reported last week?"

Especially when Sandusky is still seen toting little kids around afterwards.

 

[rasczak]

I have addressed this n-pages ago. Go ask anyone who works for a serious business or organization. When you are a manager not dealing with HR/Personnel, and someone report to you he witnessed for example, sexual harassment, you would report to the HR/administrative division and let them handle it every single time. Anyone who doesn't live in his mother's basement would understand this.

But who cares about the facts. JoePa is a figure in football, an easy target now. Like I said already, losers want to bash good people to feel better about their pathetic life, what else are we gonna do.

This issue goes beyond serious business or organization. This goes to the very core of society itself and what your moral and legal obligations are to your fellow human being, ESPECIALLY a young child who can't defend him/herself. This is basically called doing the RIGHT thing. Those that use the "corporate" channels excuse are just trying to justify their inaction as is the case right now with Penn State. There's a difference between the corporate culture and the human culture and that chasm is what is causing a degradation in our current society's morals. Everyone has to cya right? Bullshit. I respect JP as a coach, but his lack of action is a failure of his on a moral level, which has legal implications. Your logic is quite sickening tbh. This has nothing to do with his standing as one of footballs greats and more of his poor decision making and refusal to accept that one of HIS guys was fucking a small kid.

 

[HendrixFan]

Since everything is all so clear to you that there are multiple FACTS of RAPE, maybe you care to explain why Pennsylvania didn't brought the case against Sandusky in 1998? How do they let a serial rapist go if the FACT is so clear.

That will undoubtedly be uncovered as they probe into the coverup.