Penn State protects child rapist that was former famous D-Coordinator

[Wheezer]

LOL....I am going to hell

 

[cliftonite]

Haha, good luck with that. All the media, all the outrage and multiple thread and 20+ pages per thread in Anandtech and many other forum, exist only because JoePa is one of the top figure in football and PSU is one of the top state school.

Nobody is gonna give a damn if the story were Sandusky. Don't you get it yet? There are tons of people out there with their sad and pathetic life and seeing famous and successful people getting smeared and taken down gives them the satisfaction to be able to say hey those people aren't better then me.

Hey who gives a fvck if there was investigation years before JoePa even heard about what Sandusky did and there was no case. Who gives a fvck if JoePa took immediate action to bring the matter to people who should handle it. Who gives a fvck JoePa was not the perpetrator and didn't witness the incident personally. He is automatically guilty because Sandusky is a long time staff of his. He is the most successful football coach and America just have the culture of enjoying successful people fail.

How about calling the cops cause you know a guy who someone saw raping a 10 year old is still around the campus despite you filing a complaint to your boss?

 

[Nintendesert]

How about calling the cops cause you know a guy who someone saw raping a 10 year old is still around the campus despite you filing a complaint to your boss?

Because he was apart of the coverup. First time he saw the Pedo using school facilities he should have WTF he was doing there. He didn't. And I think he didn't because he was apart of it.

 

[cliftonite]

Because he was apart of the coverup. First time he saw the Pedo using school facilities he should have WTF he was doing there. He didn't. And I think he didn't because he was apart of it.

Thats my point but Rchiu thinks JoePa has no blame in this.

 

[waggy]

Because he was apart of the coverup. First time he saw the Pedo using school facilities he should have WTF he was doing there. He didn't. And I think he didn't because he was apart of it.

doubt that and no proof so far no evidence or even anyone claiming that he was part of it.

I am thinking he just either
A) didn't give a shit or
B) Thought the ass chewing eh got would be enough for him to stop.
C) He didn't want to tarnish the school or his reputation.

OR he is really old and forgot.

 

[vi edit]

doubt that and no proof so far no evidence or even anyone claiming that he was part of it.

I am thinking he just either
A) didn't give a shit or
B) Thought the ass chewing eh got would be enough for him to stop.
C) He didn't want to tarnish the school or his reputation.

OR he is really old and forgot.

That's where I have a lot of problems with this whole situation and Paterno's relation to it. We just don't really know how involved he was. We may never really know. We can assume and huff and puff and until we are blue in the face, but we may never know just how much he really knew and for how long he knew it.

There is a difference between knowing something exists and enabling it. Let alone actually engaging in it. We're still waiting to find out how far between knowing and enabling Paterno really was.

But like I said way way back in this thread...he was just a cog on a wheel that miserably failed these kids. There is so much wrong, and so many at fault with this situation that I do find it sad that one man is taking so much blame for it. Especially when he wasn't even the first hand witness or the one doing it.

 

[waggy]

That's where I have a lot of problems with this whole situation and Paterno's relation to it. We just don't really know how involved he was. We may never really know. We can assume and huff and puff and until we are blue in the face, but we may never know just how much he really knew and for how long he knew it.

There is a difference between knowing something exists and enabling it. Let alone actually engaging in it. We're still waiting to find out how far between knowing and enabling Paterno really was.

But like I said way way back in this thread...he was just a cog on a wheel that miserably failed these kids. There is so much wrong, and so many at fault with this situation that I do find it sad that one man is taking so much blame for it. Especially when he wasn't even the first hand witness or the one doing it.

well we do know that he was told about it. He went to his boss and that was his end of it.

I have no issue with the college firing him. I have no issue with his "legacy" being tarnished. I find it amazing that anyone (assuming how much he knows. i find it very doubtful that he was not told or knew about it) could know someone was raping 10 yr olds and ignore it for personal gain.

Now considering the information we have on it i do not think joPa will be or should be charged with any crimes. but we haven't heard the full extent of what has gone on.

 

[zinfamous]

Haha, good luck with that. All the media, all the outrage and multiple thread and 20+ pages per thread in Anandtech and many other forum, exist only because JoePa is one of the top figure in football and PSU is one of the top state school.

Nobody is gonna give a damn if the story were Sandusky. Don't you get it yet? There are tons of people out there with their sad and pathetic life and seeing famous and successful people getting smeared and taken down gives them the satisfaction to be able to say hey those people aren't better then me.

Hey who gives a fvck if there was investigation years before JoePa even heard about what Sandusky did and there was no case. Who gives a fvck if JoePa took immediate action to bring the matter to people who should handle it. Who gives a fvck JoePa was not the perpetrator and didn't witness the incident personally. He is automatically guilty because Sandusky is a long time staff of his. He is the most successful football coach and America just have the culture of enjoying successful people fail.

100% agree

Did you guys read the grand jury testimony?

 

[Jeffg010]

There is this whole other theory going around that Sandusky had so much dirt on Joe and all the others that he could come and go as he pleased. Think about it Sandusky had free range to everything on campus and even as far as last week he was seen working out, all this after everything that came out from the investigation, to the report from the grad student, to the fucking janitors. After reading the court docs I come to the conclusion that they had to know what was going on. And to let this monster come and go like he did like that just screams blackmail.

If you have not read the court docs do it then come back to me and tell me if any of them could have not known what Sandusky was up to.

 

[zinfamous]

That's where I have a lot of problems with this whole situation and Paterno's relation to it. We just don't really know how involved he was. We may never really know. We can assume and huff and puff and until we are blue in the face, but we may never know just how much he really knew and for how long he knew it.

There is a difference between knowing something exists and enabling it. Let alone actually engaging in it. We're still waiting to find out how far between knowing and enabling Paterno really was.

But like I said way way back in this thread...he was just a cog on a wheel that miserably failed these kids. There is so much wrong, and so many at fault with this situation that I do find it sad that one man is taking so much blame for it. Especially when he wasn't even the first hand witness or the one doing it.

What I gather from the testimony is that he brought this to AD, and subsequently the Pres within 2 days of hearing the account from the grad assistant (who personally went to JoePa's house the following day to tell him).

From the beginning, it seems that JP was doing the proper thing, what was expected of him. In subsequent meetings of the AD and Pres, with the student, JP was not present. The Pres and AD "assured everyone that the matter was dealt with." And what that meant, according to them, was that the rapist had his on-campus privileges revoked.

--this was the 2001 incident, btw, and occurred after the earlier 1997 incident, where it was determined in this GJ testimony that AD Curly and Spanier committed perjury regarding their testimony.

Now, up until this point, one would think JP and the grad student could possibly be vindicated--they approached the appropriate channels, and as far as they knew--they guy was gone. The grad student maintains that he accounted the details to JP specifically "anal rape." Though at that point, testimony from AD and Pres consistently refer to the description from JoeP as "horseplay" or "something inappropriate."

The GJ determines that Spanier and Curly are unreliable witnesses. suggesting, again, perjury. The grad student is determined to be "highly credible."

Further, the head of Police at PSU was never notified. Curly, Spanier, and I believe JP were charged in thsi GJ testimony with specifically violating a child endangerment statute by failing to report an incidence of child abuse and/or endangerment within 48 hours to the proper agency. ....this is quite serious, and trumps anything that can be considered "proper University procedure."

All the while. JP appears to wash his hands of the discipline process, and when you consider the fact that the rapist returns to campus and continues to use facilities, continues to rape children in said facilities, and the fact that JP is the de-facto mayor and CEO of State College, it is very hard to regard him as ignorant of what was going on.

 

[vi edit]

There is this whole other theory going around that Sandusky had so much dirt on Joe and all the others that he could come and go as he pleased. Think about it Sandusky had free range to everything on campus and even as far as last week he was seen working out, all this after everything that came out from the investigation, to the report from the grad student, to the fucking janitors. After reading the court docs I come to the conclusion that they had to know what was going on. And to let this monster come and go like he did like that just screams blackmail.

That's the other shoe I'm waiting for to drop. What did this guy do/know that made so many high level officials (and even those outside the university) completely turn a blind eye if not outright try to bury it. There's just something else lingering under the surface here that I can't just write it off as the good old boy witness protection system.

 

[zinfamous]

There is this whole other theory going around that Sandusky had so much dirt on Joe and all the others that he could come and go as he pleased. Think about it Sandusky had free range to everything on campus and even as far as last week he was seen working out, all this after everything that came out from the investigation, to the report from the grad student, to the fucking janitors. After reading the court docs I come to the conclusion that they had to know what was going on. And to let this monster come and go like he did like that just screams blackmail.

If you have not read the court docs do it then come back to me and tell me if any of them could have not known what Sandusky was up to.

yes, it's quite damning, especially the clear fact that several of these people specifically violated this child endangerment clause.


What I did gather, though, is that the AD, more than any others, seems to be the major cog in keeping everyone else vague and ignorant on the details of the allegations. He seems to insert himself as a middleman--either to buffer fallout for JP and Spanier, or to simply protect the reputation of PSU, by filtering the information between the student and Spanier, JP and Spanier, and back and forth.

He appears far more culpable in actively attempting to bury the matter while creating some shred of plausible deniability between Paterno and Spanier. Though, one has to remember that JP was the first person approached with the exact details of what happened and as the testimony suggests, was likely the first to "soften the details."

 

[zinfamous]

That's the other shoe I'm waiting for to drop. What did this guy do/know that made so many high level officials (and even those outside the university) completely turn a blind eye if not outright try to bury it. There's just something else lingering under the surface here that I can't just write it off as the good old boy witness protection system.

I think it's very likely, and I wouldn't be surprised if collusion extends beyond the University.


and I know it's weird to think about this...but I wonder how much longer Joe Paterno is going to survive? Lots of people tend to decline significantly after retiring, especially when retiring from long, demanding careers--none of them seemingly longer than Paterno's.

Then his age, his obvious mental depreciation, and then the overwhelming stress of this matter.

 

[rchiu]

Did you guys read the grand jury testimony?

It's funny you mention the grand jury testimony. The report mentioned JoePa in like 3 paragraph out of 23 something pages and absolutely didn't find any problem with the way JoePa dealt with the situation. It specifically mentioned JoePa was told on a Sat. and promptly discussed with the admin by Sun. And it specifically fault the school admin for not contacting police.

And who are we talking about cover up, who did wrong? Sandusky? The Athletic director and other school admin?

I rest my case.

 

[zinfamous]

It's funny you mention the grand jury testimony. The report mentioned JoePa in like 3 paragraph out of 23 something pages and absolutely didn't find any problem with the way JoePa dealt with the situation. It specifically mentioned JoePa was told on a Sat. and promptly discussed with the admin by Sun. And it specifically fault the school admin for not contacting police.

And who are we talking about cover up, who did wrong? Sandusky? The Athletic director and other school admin?

I rest my case.

Then you are morally and intellectually barren.

Who was responsible for the greater disaster that was Chernobyl? The safety manager on duty that failed to address the growing warning signs, or the SOviet government that failed to notify anyone of the disaster for several weeks after it happened, as families around the world became exposed? In fact, it was only until some strange dust floating over Norway was noticed that the world became aware that Nuclear meltdown happened.


--and the report specifically mentioned all those in charge--yes, included JP--for violating the child endangerment law.

 

[Phokus]

Not sure why this is a "huge" story to anyone outside of PSU

Well... anyone who follows college football, Paterno is a legend.

However, if it's true that Penn State cut a deal to cover up for Sandusky in exchange for him leaving the team and especially if the allegation that Sandusky used the charity to pimp out kids to wealthy donors, it's going to be an international story.

 

[Phokus]

The ensuing riots and all the absolute batshit retarded comments i've been reading/seeing from PSU students/grads reminds me why i hate small town America so damned much.

 

[rchiu]

Then you are morally and intellectually barren.

Who was responsible for the greater disaster that was Chernobyl? The safety manager on duty that failed to address the growing warning signs, or the SOviet government that failed to notify anyone of the disaster for several weeks after it happened, as families around the world became exposed? In fact, it was only until some strange dust floating over Norway was noticed that the world became aware that Nuclear meltdown happened.


--and the report specifically mentioned all those in charge--yes, included JP--for violating the child endangerment law.

Well better than someone who is morally and intellectually dishonest like you. Show me one sentence the report mentioned JP as "in charge" and violated the endangerment law. Better yet, explain why the two administrators were charged and JoePa was not.

We all know what you people are after, your little quick self pleasure by bashing successful people. Well have your fun. You have no idea what a true wonderful human being you are bashing.

 

[waggy]

The ensuing riots and all the absolute batshit retarded comments i've been reading/seeing from PSU students/grads reminds me why i hate small town America so damned much.

hey! don't knock small town's. heh

The few people around here i have talked to about this have all said they would love to have them all in their barn for a while. One guy is a huge football fan and he is sickened by it.

the retarded comments are more from college kids looking for a excuse to drink and be idiots heh

 

[Gigantopithecus]

There is a growing movement on campus here, organized primarily by students, to call on our university to cancel its upcoming game vs. Penn State, even if it means an L for our team for forfeiting the game. Essentially, there are a lot of people here who want absolutely nothing to do with anyone even tenuously connected to what happened at State College. Just/right or not, that sentiment exists in Madison. Friends of mine in Columbus told me there is a similar sentiment at Ohio State. Anyone there able to comment on this?

There are a lot of rumors swirling around this whole sordid sadness. But, if it comes to light that Sandusky was providing boys to pederast PSU donors, and if there was an institutional cover-up of child rape perpetrated by more individuals highly placed at PSU than just Sandusky, then I think we might see the death of an entire Tier 1 research university. Because of the power and prominence of its football team. I'm not suggesting this is right, or even likely, but this could get even worse, as hard as that is to fathom.

 

[Wreckem]

There is a growing movement on campus here, organized primarily by students, to call on our university to cancel its upcoming game vs. Penn State, even if it means an L for our team for forfeiting the game. Essentially, there are a lot of people here who want absolutely nothing to do with anyone even tenuously connected to what happened at State College. Just/right or not, that sentiment exists in Madison. Friends of mine in Columbus told me there is a similar sentiment at Ohio State. Anyone there able to comment on this?

There are a lot of rumors swirling around this whole sordid sadness. But, if it comes to light that Sandusky was providing boys to pederast PSU donors, and if there was an institutional cover-up of child rape perpetrated by more individuals highly placed at PSU than just Sandusky, then I think we might see the death of an entire Tier 1 research university. Because of the power and prominence of its football team. I'm not suggesting this is right, or even likely, but this could get even worse, as hard as that is to fathom.

The rumors, if true, are about the donors to the charity, not donors to PSU. There are some serious questions the charity is going to have to answer.

As for Penn State, PSU and its student body shouldn't be damned for the poor choices of a few. Only those directly involved should suffer the consequences. It makes no sense to punish the 80000+ students across their campuses.

PSU needs to clean house. And those involved, if they broke any laws should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

 

[rasczak]

Well better than someone who is morally and intellectually dishonest like you. Show me one sentence the report mentioned JP as "in charge" and violated the endangerment law. Better yet, explain why the two administrators were charged and JoePa was not.

We all know what you people are after, your little quick self pleasure by bashing successful people. Well have your fun. You have no idea what a true wonderful human being you are bashing.

You're totally missing the point everyone else is trying to make. As a citizen, his duty was to contact the police (not campus police). This is not something small enough to keep within campus, it should have been brought forth to the PROPER authorities.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

The rumors, if true, are about the donors to the charity, not donors to PSU. There are some serious questions the charity is going to have to answer.

As for Penn State, PSU and its student body shouldn't be damned for the poor choices of a few. Only those directly involved should suffer the consequences.

Ah, I read donors to PSU, not just the charity. Hence taking rumors with a grain of salt.

I agree, it's obviously not right to punish an entire Tier 1 university's 100,000+ students, faculty, and support staff for the actions of a handful of individuals. But cachet is extremely important to elite universities. And saying this doesn't look good for the entire Penn State University is an understatement.

The Fed, via the Department of Education, is already involved. Every single dollar from Uncle Sam that goes to a university includes boilerplate language specifically about sexual harassment, sexual misconduct, felony criminal behavior, etc. - the money disappears if anything like that happens. If you think scholarship revocation kills football programs, consider what revocation of even a small percentage of Federal student loan and research funding would do to a school like PSU.

I'm not saying that anything so drastic as PSU losing its elite status as a school will happen or that it would even be right if it did happen. But considering what's happened so far, well, we'll see. A scandal like this is absolutely unprecedented at an American university.

 

[SAWYER]

 

[HendrixFan]

Well better than someone who is morally and intellectually dishonest like you. Show me one sentence the report mentioned JP as "in charge" and violated the endangerment law. Better yet, explain why the two administrators were charged and JoePa was not.

We all know what you people are after, your little quick self pleasure by bashing successful people. Well have your fun. You have no idea what a true wonderful human being you are bashing.

The report from the grand jury was over the investigation of child molestation on the part of Sandusky. It was NOT an investigation into the coverup going on at Penn State. The "missing" charges are not there because the investigation did not reach into that area, that is something that is now ongoing.