Penn State protects child rapist that was former famous D-Coordinator

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hclarkjr

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I'm not saying it's right, just that's how it is. If Paterno would have went directly to the cops about it without going through administration first he'd been on the street the next day. And so would anyone else. Unfortunately that's the world we live in. There's certain protection to whistle blowers but not near as much as you would hope for.
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with his reputation on campus i doubt they would have fired him if he would have done the right and human thing and gone to the police and stopped that animal
 
Fern

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preslove said:
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If NCAA doesn't put them Penn St. on probation, then there will be shit storm.
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I've seen the NCAA rules discussed. It doesn't appear, to those commenting anyway, that this a matter that comes under the purview of the NCAA.

I.e., rumor has it that the NCAA can't really do anything. Even if they could, dumping Paterno would likely mitigate any NCAA response.

BTW: Probation is no big deal. Many schools are on probation. Loss of scholarships and no post season play are what damages teams. Makes recruiting difficult.

Fern
 
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hclarkjr

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ESPN just showed the kids at penn state cheering for him as he walked home, sick. he is as guilty for not stopping him
 
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hclarkjr said:
ESPN just showed the kids at penn state cheering for him as he walked home, sick. he is as guilty for not stopping him
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did you read any of what actually was reported? from grand jury testimony he heard about one incident which he immediately reported to the AD.

stop acting like he was videotaping what happened
 
MarkXIX

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vi edit said:
I'm not saying it's right, just that's how it is. If Paterno would have went directly to the cops about it without going through administration first he'd been on the street the next day. And so would anyone else. Unfortunately that's the world we live in. There's certain protection to whistle blowers but not near as much as you would hope for.
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That's bullshit and he'd win his lawsuit. Sure you CAN be fired for reporting a crime to the police, but the organization would be INSANE for doing so.

Here's what I think and know. Universities are overrun with self serving fucks who are more interested in themselves than the goals of the institution. It's the sole reason why the cost of tuition has grown at astronomical rates and the actual return on investment has gone in the shitter.

Look at any organizational chart in a university and you will see dysfunctional management, processes, and procedures. The leadership don't have the balls to look people in the eye and tell them they're a worthless sack of shit and fire them. Instead, they shift them around and give them more money to keep them fat, dumb, and happy. Very few universities are run like a true business anymore, they're political cesspools full of self-important, over educated fucks with no moral compass anymore.
 
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hclarkjr

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did you read any of what actually was reported? from grand jury testimony he heard about one incident which he immediately reported to the AD.

stop acting like he was videotaping what happened
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he should have then went to the police when they did not do anything
 
preslove

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Fern said:
I've seen the NCAA rules discussed. It doesn't appear, to those commenting anyway, that this a matter that comes under the purview of the NCAA.

I.e., rumor has it that the NCAA can't really do anything. Even if they could, dumping Paterno would likely mitigate any NCAA response.

BTW: Probation is no big deal. Many schools are on probation. Loss of scholarships and no post season play are what damages teams. Makes recruiting difficult.

Fern
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The AC of a school covers up for a pedo and they can't figure out a way to sanction the team? Bull fucking shit.

They can at least try. Dare Penn St to sue them to prevent the sanctions.
 
preslove

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IndyColtsFan said:
Under what bylaws would the NCAA punish Penn St?
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You're telling me that the NCAA doesn't have rules that cover criminal conspiracies carried out by several coaches and Athletics department administration? If not, then it's pretty fucking pathetic.
 
IndyColtsFan

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preslove said:
You're telling me that the NCAA doesn't have rules that cover criminal conspiracies carried out by several coaches and Athletics department administration? If not, then it's pretty fucking pathetic.
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I'm not telling you anything. They very well might be able to do something, which is why I asked the question. Do you know how the NCAA governs and who makes the rules the NCAA governs by? Does the NCAA punish every team when a player or coach commits a crime?
 
waggy

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preslove said:
You're telling me that the NCAA doesn't have rules that cover criminal conspiracies carried out by several coaches and Athletics department administration? If not, then it's pretty fucking pathetic.
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again why would it? this ain't a sport issue its a criminal issue. the coaches committed rape and some hid it and didn't report on it. I would be suprised if NCAA got involved.

saying that Patreno needs to be fired. anything less and the school is going to look bad. Also fuck patreno for not fallowing up and doing something more then telling them once.
 
IndyColtsFan

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waggy said:
again why would it? this ain't a sport issue its a criminal issue. the coaches committed rape and some hid it and didn't report on it. I would be suprised if NCAA got involved.

saying that Patreno needs to be fired. anything less and the school is going to look bad. Also fuck patreno for not fallowing up and doing something more then telling them once.
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This.

People generally don't know how the NCAA governs or who makes its rules, which is why there is so much confusion around its role. The NCAA is an association of colleges and universities in all 3 divisions and each division has multiple committees. At a 10,000 ft overview, those committees formulate the rules and they're voted on by the membership. If passed, the NCAA staff interprets and enforces the rules. That's why I laugh when people say "Argh, those people at the NCAA are {insert negative comment here}." They're merely enforcing the rules that the membership -- the colleges and universities -- themselves made.

But, I digress -- JoePa needs to hang it up and if the president of PSU knew about it as well, he needs to go. PSU's board needs to take swift and decisive action.
 
zinfamous

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preslove said:
You're telling me that the NCAA doesn't have rules that cover criminal conspiracies carried out by several coaches and Athletics department administration? If not, then it's pretty fucking pathetic.
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You mean you weren't already convinced that the NCAA was pathetic?
 
WT

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IAteYourMother said:
Why the hell would the NCAA do anything?
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This is a university issue to deal with, so thinking the NCAA will get involved for possible sanctioning is ludicrous. The board of directors need to act in a way that saves face for PSU, which means cleaning house so the story does not continue to dog the university.
 
preslove

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waggy said:
again why would it? this ain't a sport issue its a criminal issue. the coaches committed rape and some hid it and didn't report on it. I would be suprised if NCAA got involved.

saying that Patreno needs to be fired. anything less and the school is going to look bad. Also fuck patreno for not fallowing up and doing something more then telling them once.
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Several coaches covering up for a pedophile is not a "Sport issue?"

Coaches are integral to sports. A coach taking part of a criminal conspiracy with his AD staff is a "sports issue." You're **supposed** to expect a coach to be trustworthy, as they have a ton of power over these kids.

Turning a blind eye to kids getting $ & gifts from boosters is common in big time sports. I'm a gator fan & I don't think for one minute that there haven't been TONS of violations that were never reported at UF for the past 20 years. This is undoubtedly true for most of the big schools. Ohio State was just unlucky to get caught & Tressel handled it terribly.

Coaches should report a lot of things. If a coach finds out his player raped a girl, he should make sure that player should be kicked off the team and report it to the police. I'm pretty sure the NCAA would come down on the team if a coach didn't do so.

So, why would it be different if the rapist is a coach and the victim a young boy?

The NCAA focusing on whether boosters give money to players, while allowing coaches and the AD to engage in criminal conspiracy shows some pretty misplaced priorities.

The NCAA is just a corrupt cartel.
 
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waggy

waggy

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preslove said:
Several coaches covering up for a pedophile is not a "Sport issue?"

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No it's not. its a criminal issue.

The NCAA has no authority over this. though knowing how the NCAA has been lately i wouldn't be surprised if they but in.

This is a police and school matter not a sport issue.
 
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