Penn State protects child rapist that was former famous D-Coordinator

[slayer202]

You guys almost act like he was the one one blowing kids in a shower stall or offering them candy to lure them in there.

Unfortunately the rules of engagement in very large/famous institutions or companies are much different than the rest of the non-headline organizations. He likely followed the process that was driven into his head to go through administration and let them follow through. Going directly to the cops would put the name of the institution too much at stake so the university compliance/legal department would be the ones doing most of the lifting. If you want to blame the brakedown on the entire administration, then fine.

But holding one old guy accountable for the horrendous acts of another is pretty weak. And I do think it's said that who thing is going to be the last chapter in an otherwise incredible career.

this is insane. if someone steals a laptop from work, fine, handle it internally(yeah right, cops are the first person they would call). but to blame the school's protocol on not blowing the whistle on something as serious as this is complete bullshit and a weak cop out. anyone with a brain should have known better

 

[JS80]

The rumor going around now is that Mike McQueary is no longer with the team.

hehe funny

 

[ThePresence]

You guys almost act like he was the one one blowing kids in a shower stall or offering them candy to lure them in there.

Unfortunately the rules of engagement in very large/famous institutions or companies are much different than the rest of the non-headline organizations. He likely followed the process that was driven into his head to go through administration and let them follow through. Going directly to the cops would put the name of the institution too much at stake so the university compliance/legal department would be the ones doing most of the lifting. If you want to blame the brakedown on the entire administration, then fine.

But holding one old guy accountable for the horrendous acts of another is pretty weak. And I do think it's said that who thing is going to be the last chapter in an otherwise incredible career.

Are you kidding me? It would put the university name at risk? The guy was raping little kids for gods sake. Any decent human being would call the cops in a heartbeat, screw everything else. I would call the cops if it was my brother doing it. There are NO OTHER considerations when something of this magnitude is going on. NONE. It's ludicrous to think that Joe P thought he did what he had to do by passing the buck. And not only that but afterward they let him use the facility for years! And they KNEW what had happened and what was probably still happening. Absolutely pathetic excuse. JMO.

 

[vi edit]

this is insane. if someone steals a laptop from work, fine, handle it internally(yeah right, cops are the first person they would call). but to blame the school's protocol on not blowing the whistle on something as serious as this is complete bullshit and a weak cop out. anyone with a brain should have known better

I'm not saying it's right, just that's how it is. If Paterno would have went directly to the cops about it without going through administration first he'd been on the street the next day. And so would anyone else. Unfortunately that's the world we live in. There's certain protection to whistle blowers but not near as much as you would hope for.

 

[SP33Demon]

You guys almost act like he was the one one blowing kids in a shower stall or offering them candy to lure them in there.

Unfortunately the rules of engagement in very large/famous institutions or companies are much different than the rest of the non-headline organizations. He likely followed the process that was driven into his head to go through administration and let them follow through. Going directly to the cops would put the name of the institution too much at stake so the university compliance/legal department would be the ones doing most of the lifting. If you want to blame the brakedown on the entire administration, then fine.

But holding one old guy accountable for the horrendous acts of another is pretty weak. And I do think it's said that who thing is going to be the last chapter in an otherwise incredible career.

You mean to tell me that the police wouldn't have kept it quiet if Jopa asked them to? They are also a part of the machine and wouldn't have wanted to tarnish the Uni's rep as well. So what you're saying doesn't fly.

 

[CrazyAznDriver]

You guys almost act like he was the one one blowing kids in a shower stall or offering them candy to lure them in there.

Unfortunately the rules of engagement in very large/famous institutions or companies are much different than the rest of the non-headline organizations. He likely followed the process that was driven into his head to go through administration and let them follow through. Going directly to the cops would put the name of the institution too much at stake so the university compliance/legal department would be the ones doing most of the lifting. If you want to blame the brakedown on the entire administration, then fine.

But holding one old guy accountable for the horrendous acts of another is pretty weak. And I do think it's said that who thing is going to be the last chapter in an otherwise incredible career.

I think it is fair to hold the man to a higher standard. What do you think about when you here Penn State football? Paterno. If the man cared to he could have done more. I would hope if someone found out that a kid was being raped in a shower at PSU, they would report it. However, if they continued to see the predator there for not days, not months, but years, they would inquire wtf is going one? There are some serious moral failures here on a lot of people. Sad.

 

[CrazyAznDriver]

 

[PokerGuy]

I'm not saying it's right, just that's how it is. If Paterno would have went directly to the cops about it without going through administration first he'd been on the street the next day.

No way. You're telling me that JoPa goes to the police and tells them about the child rapist and the school then turns around and punishes him by booting him out the door? Not a chance.

I just don't buy it. We don't know all the facts yet, but from here it looks like JoPa tried to protect his buddy and passed the buck. If that's the case, they should get rid of him immediately.

 

[ThePresence]

-EDIT- Well now the thread's been merged and I feel like an ass for commenting on the trivial joke rather than the very serious allegations of child rape. So, yeah, Paterno should retire regardless of how he handled this situation. Everyone involved who let the abuses continue should face some sort of penalty (losing a cushy job is a pretty big penalty, to be fair), and the guy who did it should be in jail forever.

No, losing a cushy job is NOT a fair penalty for enabling child rape to continue unabated. Jeez.

 

[zinfamous]

You guys almost act like he was the one one blowing kids in a shower stall or offering them candy to lure them in there.

Unfortunately the rules of engagement in very large/famous institutions or companies are much different than the rest of the non-headline organizations. He likely followed the process that was driven into his head to go through administration and let them follow through. Going directly to the cops would put the name of the institution too much at stake so the university compliance/legal department would be the ones doing most of the lifting. If you want to blame the brakedown on the entire administration, then fine.

But holding one old guy accountable for the horrendous acts of another is pretty weak. And I do think it's said that who thing is going to be the last chapter in an otherwise incredible career.

I agree with that, but it remains to be seen what his involvement was, if we will ever get the full story.

And while I understand that institutions have internal protocols regarding disciplinary actions, this is simply beyond the pale. At some point you simply have to accept a long-time friend for the monster that they truly are, and get them away from whatever reputation you are trying to protect ASAP.

It's quite ridiculous that this remained buried for so long if the desire was to protect reputation. Simply--that desire for reputation over justice is certainly questionable.

 

[ThePresence]

I'm not saying it's right, just that's how it is. If Paterno would have went directly to the cops about it without going through administration first he'd been on the street the next day. And so would anyone else. Unfortunately that's the world we live in. There's certain protection to whistle blowers but not near as much as you would hope for.

Not a chance. Paterno IS Penn State. Not just the sports program, he is the school.
And any school that would let someone go for reporting child rape is a school that would have a LOT to lose when the story becomes public.

 

[zinfamous]

I'm not saying it's right, just that's how it is. If Paterno would have went directly to the cops about it without going through administration first he'd been on the street the next day. And so would anyone else. Unfortunately that's the world we live in. There's certain protection to whistle blowers but not near as much as you would hope for.

I don't think PSU, and certainly not the future of their entire athletics department, would have survived the public fallout in the situation that a man like JoPa is fired by the university for taking a case of child rape public and requesting justice outside of University protocol.

--not to mention that PSU firing him over that would be ludicrous.

 

[vi edit]

I agree with that, but it remains to be seen what his involvement was, if we will ever get the full story. And while I understand that institutions have internal protocols regarding disciplinary actions, this is simply beyond the pale. At some point you simply have to accept a long-time friend for the monster that they truly are, and get them away from whatever reputation you are trying to protect ASAP.

Yeh, I haven't read the full grand jury thing published so there may be more info there than what I've seen in other sites/publications to that point. And maybe more will come light through the rest of the trial. And I'll rescind my comments and hop on the Paterno Haterwagon.

I'm just simply saying that things are much more complicated than calling up the cops when a member of your faculty is molesting children on your campus.

 

[ThePresence]

Yeh, I haven't read the full grand jury thing published so there may be more info there than what I've seen in other sites/publications to that point. And maybe more will come light through the rest of the trial. And I'll rescind my comments and hop on the Paterno Haterwagon.

I'm just simply saying that things are much more complicated than calling up the cops when a member of your faculty is molesting children on your campus.

No, it's NOT more complicated. There are no other considerations when something of that magnitude is happening. Considering anything else is allowing a monster to destroy more lives. And that's what happened.

 

[CrazyAznDriver]

Yeh, I haven't read the full grand jury thing published so there may be more info there than what I've seen in other sites/publications to that point. And maybe more will come light through the rest of the trial. And I'll rescind my comments and hop on the Paterno Haterwagon.

I'm just simply saying that things are much more complicated than calling up the cops when a member of your faculty is molesting children on your campus.

It shouldn't...

 

[ThePresence]

What is wrong with you people? How can ANYONE defend Paterno's moral lapse here? Reported it to school officials?! Really? And then allows him access to the school facility for YEARS afterwards? He knew what was going on and by not calling the police and reporting it, he enabled a monster to prey on kids for years. How can anyone defend that? This is not a sports issue, it's a human one. And it shouldn't matter that he's 85 years old at this point. You do not try to handle a CHILD RAPING MONSTER internally. Sorry. It's about as inexcusable as it can get. Jeez.

 

[Drako]

Yeh, I haven't read the full grand jury thing published so there may be more info there than what I've seen in other sites/publications to that point.

You need to read the report.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

I'm not saying it's right, just that's how it is. If Paterno would have went directly to the cops about it without going through administration first he'd been on the street the next day. And so would anyone else. Unfortunately that's the world we live in. There's certain protection to whistle blowers but not near as much as you would hope for.

That is completely untrue. First, Paterno brought in tens or hundreds of millions of dollars to Penn State; he's not just another professor or assistant coach, he's a massive fundraising arm by himself. If he were raping kids himself, yes, he'd be out on the street, but reporting it? Absolutely no way he gets fired for that.

Second, there's no reason Penn State would fire JoePa for reporting a crime that literally everyone in the world can agree is heinous. Paterno finds out about child rapist, reports him to police, school fires him, reporters want to know why he was fired, "Oh, I turned a child rapist in to the police." Can you imagine anyone with any authority in any school on the planet thinking that that sort of publicity would be good for them? "Hey, let's can the guy who has made us hundreds of millions of dollars for reporting a crime that the entire world thinks is awful. Profit!" That would absolutely never happen; it would make the school looks like it supports child rapists over JoePa (who, prior to this scandal, was considered the absolute pillar of that community). The only person who would ever consider that course of action is the same person who would cut off his own penis if he dribbled urine on himself at a urinal, and those people don't tend to get University Presidency positions.

 

[sactoking]

I'm not saying it's right, just that's how it is. If Paterno would have went directly to the cops about it without going through administration first he'd been on the street the next day. And so would anyone else. Unfortunately that's the world we live in. There's certain protection to whistle blowers but not near as much as you would hope for.

A) The University tried to fire him/get him to leave in 2004. He told them to eff off. If you've got that kind of sway, you don't get fired for calling the cops.

B) Lets just assume that "if [he] would have went directly to the cops about it without going through administration first he'd been on the street the next day" is true. That still doesn't forgive the fact that after he went to the administration they chose to do nothing and he still didn't call the cops.

I'm disgusted by this inaction because I have been in similar (though many would say less important) situations and to take the easy way out is cowardly. In college I had two friends who were binge drinkers that refused to not drink and drive. I did call the Sheriff on each of them because it was the right thing to do, even though it wasn't easy. I don't know if anyone is alive because of what I did, but I sure as hell know that someone isn't dead because of what I didn't do.

 

[SP33Demon]

LOL. And the new logo hath graced us.

 

[ThePresence]

Anyone with some time on their hands should listen to this:
http://youtu.be/Tqa9OvJvx2I

 

[CrazyAznDriver]

LOL. And the new logo hath graced us.

haha I saw it on a rival B1G board. It is going to be nasty on the remaining away games.

 

[shocksyde]

What is wrong with you people? How can ANYONE defend Paterno's moral lapse here? Reported it to school officials?! Really? And then allows him access to the school facility for YEARS afterwards? He knew what was going on and by not calling the police and reporting it, he enabled a monster to prey on kids for years. How can anyone defend that? This is not a sports issue, it's a human one. And it shouldn't matter that he's 85 years old at this point. You do not try to handle a CHILD RAPING MONSTER internally. Sorry. It's about as inexcusable as it can get. Jeez.

Anyone who sees it any differently than the above is misguided, stupid or both.

ANYONE who knew about this and didn't tell the police should be fired. ANYONE.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

haha I saw it on a rival B1G board. It is going to be nasty on the remaining away games.

I can only hope that Wisco's student section doesn't embarrass itself later this month. IMHO denigrating PSU because of the actions of a lone pederast is uncalled for, and FFS, totally disrespectful to the victims of Sandusky's crimes.

 

[shocksyde]

I can only hope that Wisco's student section doesn't embarrass itself later this month. IMHO denigrating PSU because of the actions of a lone pederast is uncalled for, and FFS, totally disrespectful to the victims of Sandusky's crimes.

Well, the issue is several people within the football program knew about the incidents and did not report them to the police. So, going after the program as a whole isn't absolutely unwarranted.