Pending Draft Legislation Targeted for Spring 2005

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dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: PorBleemo
Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
I'll serve if I have to but it's IMPERATIVE that Kerry gets elected. That way... we wont have to fight POINTLESS FVCKING WARS like Iraq.

I wholeheartedly agree. I have little faith in the Republican party anymore.

:Q , don't let Rush, hannity and CAD & Co hear you say that, they'll yell at me for giving you a Tin Foil Hat and their Brainwashing Waves aren't penetrating your Brain anymore.
 

InlineFive

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: PorBleemo
Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
I'll serve if I have to but it's IMPERATIVE that Kerry gets elected. That way... we wont have to fight POINTLESS FVCKING WARS like Iraq.

I wholeheartedly agree. I have little faith in the Republican party anymore.

:Q , don't let Rush, hannity and CAD & Co hear you say that, they'll yell at me for giving you a Tin Foil Hat and their Brainwashing Waves aren't penetrating your Brain anymore.

Everyone is entitled to their views. I'm not going to be afraid of defending my views in public. And I will respect their views. All I ask is they do the same.
 

SilentZero

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The draft will never happen. But if a draft did someday occur, and it was for a worthly cause, id support it. I served my years in the army, and I think if our freedom and way of life were in question, others should be required to as well. Victory doesn't come without sacrifice.

*Note: If there was a draft for this particular war, I would not agree with it, because I don't believe in the reasons for this war in iraq. However if the situation were similar to fighting the 21st century Nazi Germany, then YES, a draft would be a realistic solution.
 

Moonbeam

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A draft is what a raging all consuming fire creates, a draft of burning lives. Stoke that fire and feed those flames. Fire those ash urns. Humanity is profoundly sick, living upside down in the world.
 

nageov3t

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I really don't think it would happen.

don't know if I'd serve... I have bad feet, so I'd never survive basic training, but I'd help out if I could do it in a non-combat role.
 

MidasKnight

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From :link

First off, the two bills in question are H.R. 163 and S. 89. The record shows that S. 89 was introduced on 1/7/2003 and was referred to the Committee on Armed Services the same day. H.R. 163 was also introduced on 1/7/2003 and was referred to the Subcommittee on Total Force on 2/3/2003. There has been absolutely no action on either bill since they were referred to committee.

and


" introduced by whom ? "

H.R 163 was introduced by Rep. Charlie Rangel (D-NY), and S. 89 was introduced by Sen. Fritz Hollings (D-SC)
 

Format C:

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Originally posted by: MidasKnight
From :link

First off, the two bills in question are H.R. 163 and S. 89. The record shows that S. 89 was introduced on 1/7/2003 and was referred to the Committee on Armed Services the same day. H.R. 163 was also introduced on 1/7/2003 and was referred to the Subcommittee on Total Force on 2/3/2003. There has been absolutely no action on either bill since they were referred to committee.

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" introduced by whom ? "

H.R 163 was introduced by Rep. Charlie Rangel (D-NY), and S. 89 was introduced by Sen. Fritz Hollings (D-SC)
*crickets*
 

imported_Aelius

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The two parties each time act more and more the same way. If one doesn't come up with a way to screw taxpayers over the other one sure as heck will.

Edit: Perhaps its time for a change? I wonder what would happen if a far far smaller political party was elected into power and actually did things what was in fact for the best for Americans instead of the elite and actually held people and groups accountable and passed laws to do the same.
 

PingSpike

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Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: PingSpike
Originally posted by: tec699
I'll be 35 years old this September so I'm not going to be affected by the draft. I can't see how the hell were going to be able to withstand at least a 5 year tour in Iraq without reinstating the draft. What happens if things really get out of hand in Iraq and we start losing more men? It's probably going to happen. Also, what about Iran, North Korea and the other hot spots in the world? Are we going to have enough men to engage the enemy if need be?

Also from what I've been reading the national guard is having a hard time recruiting personal. You would have to be nuts to join the national guard. Lets see... You'll get to lose your job and income because employers aren't going to hold your job for the 1-2 year stint in Iraq that you will have to do. Will your wife or girlfriend wait until you return home? 1-2 years is an awfully long time to be alone. Also, you'll fight in a war that will probably mean nothing and if you don't die or get injured you can be rest assured that your government will gladly cut your benefits.

Where do I sign up?

I'll be 24 this december...so I'm hoping this is all crap or that it'll be tied up long enough that I'll hit the age limit. (Is this 26?)

National guard is crap now. Its a fvcking ticket to Iraq, even though the guard really should just be used for homeland protection and emergencies IMO. The fact that they're relying on the guard to go beyond its job description for this royal fvckup shows how poorly planned and unprepared we were for it. You're right about the benefits as well. If you don't happen to die there you'll probably get a pat on the back and a loss of pay from when you were gone. Thats if you're lucky enough to not get fired while gone, in which case its a ticket to the unemployment line in a lukewarm economy.
Just so you know....the main reason the National Guard is being relied upon so heavily is that the manpower of the standing military was cut drastically during the 8 years of the Clinton Presidency.

I suppose that some how removes the blame from the current administration for overstretching our military then? Because last time I checked, it was the Bush admin that was in office when we went to Iraq, not Clinton. They knew how much military we had when they started, if they didn't think we had enough, they should have pumped up the military or acquired more man power from other nations before attempting this war. And if they did think that we had enough man power to do the job, then they miscalculated. Either way, its this current administrations fault, not Clinton's for not anticipating the need for an invasion and occupation force that the next administration might have wanted to use.
 

Strk

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Originally posted by: PingSpike

I suppose that some how removes the blame from the current administration for overstretching our military then? Because last time I checked, it was the Bush admin that was in office when we went to Iraq, not Clinton. They knew how much military we had when they started, if they didn't think we had enough, they should have pumped up the military or acquired more man power from other nations before attempting this war. And if they did think that we had enough man power to do the job, then they miscalculated. Either way, its this current administrations fault, not Clinton's for not anticipating the need for an invasion and occupation force that the next administration might have wanted to use.

Didn't you know, it's always Clinton's fault. :roll:
 

Fingolfin269

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Why does this issue keep coming back up? It came up in Off-Topic early last week so I had to check with some of my sources in DC and this crap has been dead, in committee, for a very long time.

Please, let it die. :p
 

Freejack2

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I don't want to see it happen, but Bush most likely will be re-elected.

Why? Because people only think: I have my house, I have my SUV, so nothing has changed, I'll vote for Bush.

While Bush has pissed off a number of people his approval rating is still at 47% and a lot can change between now and November.

Originally posted by: Aelius
The two parties each time act more and more the same way. If one doesn't come up with a way to screw taxpayers over the other one sure as heck will.

Edit: Perhaps its time for a change? I wonder what would happen if a far far smaller political party was elected into power and actually did things what was in fact for the best for Americans instead of the elite and actually held people and groups accountable and passed laws to do the same.
 

imported_Aelius

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Well thankfully I don't face that decision. I'm Canadian.

So actually I DO face that decision its just not Bush vs Kerry. The names are different but the agenda is similar on many issues that I don't like one bit.

Here we vote for local MPs instead. I have only ever voted once before and it was Liberal. I regret it. I won't ever vote for any of the major parties MPs.

Sadly the party I support does not have a candidate in my area.

Frankly if I could afford it I would run as a candidate.
 

Format C:

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Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Why does this issue keep coming back up? It came up in Off-Topic early last week so I had to check with some of my sources in DC and this crap has been dead, in committee, for a very long time.

Please, let it die. :p
They can't do that. You see, here's how it works. First, you tell yourself a lie over and over until eventually you believe Jesus spake it from his own mouth. Then, you go forth and declare your new revelation all over the nation gathering unto yourself all those weak-minded souls eager to believe and perpetuate your lies as a new truth because the light of real truth burns them so. You rant and you rave and you froth at the mouth to show your dedication to the downtrodden and that you are indeed a true believer, their new savior, and all your newfound flock will shout AMEN!. Eventually someone, an unbelieving infidel, will point out that none of your oft repeated prophecy has ever came true and all of your core beliefs and postulates have been disproven as lies, half-truths, and hate mongering. Lest any of your AMEN! shouting lie perpetuating flock of true believers be dissuaded from your holy way you now must move on to creating your very own Devil and you shall name him The Bush. And all the weak-minded lie perpetuating true believers will shout AMEN! On a roll and gathering converts daily you increasingly vilify the Devil Bush and all his forked tounged minions ceaselessly. Why before you know it crop failures, three headed calves, and even murderous plane crashing beheading terrorists the world over are the fault of The Bush and his beguiling evil. And all the weak-minded lie perpetuating true believers will shout AMEN! You lie, you continue to lie, and if called on a lie then you must lie some more, and if all else fails you can always blame it on The Bush, the father of lies, who beguiled you in your weakness yet again. And all the weak-minded lie perpetuating true believers will shout AMEN! and AMEN!!
 

imported_Aelius

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Originally posted by: Format C:
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Why does this issue keep coming back up? It came up in Off-Topic early last week so I had to check with some of my sources in DC and this crap has been dead, in committee, for a very long time.

Please, let it die. :p
They can't do that. You see, here's how it works. First, you tell yourself a lie over and over until eventually you believe Jesus spake it from his own mouth. Then, you go forth and declare your new revelation all over the nation gathering unto yourself all those weak-minded souls eager to believe and perpetuate your lies as a new truth because the light of real truth burns them so. You rant and you rave and you froth at the mouth to show your dedication to the downtrodden and that you are indeed a true believer, their new savior, and all your newfound flock will shout AMEN!. Eventually someone, an unbelieving infidel, will point out that none of your oft repeated prophecy has ever came true and all of your core beliefs and postulates have been disproven as lies, half-truths, and hate mongering. Lest any of your AMEN! shouting lie perpetuating flock of true believers be dissuaded from your holy way you now must move on to creating your very own Devil and you shall name him The

Actually right up to this point your comment pretty well describes Bush and Co.

Good one.
 

heartsurgeon

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i'm going for one of those draft board jobs...
Santa's got his list of who's been naughty and nice, and he'll be handing out induction letters accordingly!!

MUHAHAHAHAHA
 

Fingolfin269

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Originally posted by: Format C:
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Why does this issue keep coming back up? It came up in Off-Topic early last week so I had to check with some of my sources in DC and this crap has been dead, in committee, for a very long time.

Please, let it die. :p
They can't do that. You see, here's how it works. First, you tell yourself a lie over and over until eventually you believe Jesus spake it from his own mouth. Then, you go forth and declare your new revelation all over the nation gathering unto yourself all those weak-minded souls eager to believe and perpetuate your lies as a new truth because the light of real truth burns them so. You rant and you rave and you froth at the mouth to show your dedication to the downtrodden and that you are indeed a true believer, their new savior, and all your newfound flock will shout AMEN!. Eventually someone, an unbelieving infidel, will point out that none of your oft repeated prophecy has ever came true and all of your core beliefs and postulates have been disproven as lies, half-truths, and hate mongering. Lest any of your AMEN! shouting lie perpetuating flock of true believers be dissuaded from your holy way you now must move on to creating your very own Devil and you shall name him The Bush. And all the weak-minded lie perpetuating true believers will shout AMEN! On a roll and gathering converts daily you increasingly vilify the Devil Bush and all his forked tounged minions ceaselessly. Why before you know it crop failures, three headed calves, and even murderous plane crashing beheading terrorists the world over are the fault of The Bush and his beguiling evil. And all the weak-minded lie perpetuating true believers will shout AMEN! You lie, you continue to lie, and if called on a lie then you must lie some more, and if all else fails you can always blame it on The Bush, the father of lies, who beguiled you in your weakness yet again. And all the weak-minded lie perpetuating true believers will shout AMEN! and AMEN!!

Right, it's a huge conspiracy attempting to trick all of the civilians. Of course there is massive resistance to this brain washing, and it can be found all over the place on internet forums!

Right.
 

dmcowen674

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Oct 13, 1999
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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
i'm going for one of those draft board jobs...
Santa's got his list of who's been naughty and nice, and he'll be handing out induction letters accordingly!!

MUHAHAHAHAHA

Ahahahah, the only job you'll be able to get when your Surgeries are Offshored to India :cool: :thumbsup:
 

Format C:

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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
i'm going for one of those draft board jobs...
Santa's got his list of who's been naughty and nice, and he'll be handing out induction letters accordingly!!

MUHAHAHAHAHA
Cool HS. You're as good as hired now according to what a little birdy told me.
 

Pex

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if someoen invaded the usa, and a draft was issued...i would glady fight.


i rather not fight someone else's holy war.