Pending Draft Legislation Targeted for Spring 2005

Kalmah

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Pending Draft Legislation Targeted for Spring 2005
The Draft will Start in June 2005


There is pending legislation in the House and Senate (twin bills: S 89 and HR 163) which will time the program's initiation so the draft can begin at early as Spring 2005 -- just after the 2004 presidential election. The administration is quietly trying to get these bills passed now, while the public's attention is on the elections, so our action on this is needed immediately.

$28 million has been added to the 2004 Selective Service System (SSS) budget to prepare for a military draft that could start as early as June 15, 2005. Selective Service must report to Bush on March 31, 2005 that the system, which has lain dormant for decades, is ready for activation. Please see website: www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html to view the sss annual performance plan - fiscal year 2004.

The pentagon has quietly begun a public campaign to fill all 10,350 draft board positions and 11,070 appeals board slots nationwide.. Though this is an unpopular election year topic, military experts and influential members of congress are suggesting that if Rumsfeld's prediction of a "long, hard slog" in Iraq and Afghanistan [and a permanent state of war on "terrorism"] proves accurate, the U.S. may have no choice but to draft.

Congress brought twin bills, S. 89 and HR 163 forward this year, http://www.hslda.org/legislation/na...s89/default.asp entitled the Universal National Service Act of 2003, "to provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons [age 18--26] in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes." These active bills currently sit in the committee on armed services.

Dodging the draft will be more difficult than those from the Vietnam era.

College and Canada will not be options. In December 2001, Canada and the U.S. signed a "smart border declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in. Signed by Canada's minister of foreign affairs, John Manley, and U.S. Homeland Security director, Tom Ridge, the declaration involves a 30-point plan which implements, among other things, a "pre-clearance agreement" of people entering and departing each country. Reforms aimed at making the draft more equitable along gender and class lines also eliminates higher education as a shelter. Underclassmen would only be able to postpone service until the end of their current semester. Seniors would have until the end of the academic year.

Even those voters who currently support US actions abroad may still object to this move, knowing their own children or grandchildren will not have a say about whether to fight. Not that it should make a difference, but this plan, among other things, eliminates higher education as a
shelter and includes women in the draft.

The public has a right to air their opinions about such an important decision.

Please send this on to all the friends, parents, aunts and uncles, grandparents, and cousins that you know. Let your children know too -- it's their future, and they can be a powerful voice for change!

Please also contact your representatives to ask them why they aren't telling their constituents about these bills -- and contact newspapers and other media outlets to ask them why they're not covering this important story.


I guess I really have no comments about this at the moment.
 

chrisms

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I'm always hearing definative answers on this issue from both sides. Some guarantee a draft, some call the others stupid because there will never be a draft. Personally I see it coming, and as a 17-year-old who turns 18 later this year, it has me worried.
 

tec699

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I'll be 35 years old this September so I'm not going to be affected by the draft. I can't see how the hell were going to be able to withstand at least a 5 year tour in Iraq without reinstating the draft. What happens if things really get out of hand in Iraq and we start losing more men? It's probably going to happen. Also, what about Iran, North Korea and the other hot spots in the world? Are we going to have enough men to engage the enemy if need be?

Also from what I've been reading the national guard is having a hard time recruiting personal. You would have to be nuts to join the national guard. Lets see... You'll get to lose your job and income because employers aren't going to hold your job for the 1-2 year stint in Iraq that you will have to do. Will your wife or girlfriend wait until you return home? 1-2 years is an awfully long time to be alone. Also, you'll fight in a war that will probably mean nothing and if you don't die or get injured you can be rest assured that your government will gladly cut your benefits.

Where do I sign up?
 

Michael

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Is this the third or fourth thread started on this topic already?

If this is really a concern to you, vote Republican because the party sponsoring the bills in question is the Democratic party.

Michael
 

PingSpike

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Originally posted by: tec699
I'll be 35 years old this September so I'm not going to be affected by the draft. I can't see how the hell were going to be able to withstand at least a 5 year tour in Iraq without reinstating the draft. What happens if things really get out of hand in Iraq and we start losing more men? It's probably going to happen. Also, what about Iran, North Korea and the other hot spots in the world? Are we going to have enough men to engage the enemy if need be?

Also from what I've been reading the national guard is having a hard time recruiting personal. You would have to be nuts to join the national guard. Lets see... You'll get to lose your job and income because employers aren't going to hold your job for the 1-2 year stint in Iraq that you will have to do. Will your wife or girlfriend wait until you return home? 1-2 years is an awfully long time to be alone. Also, you'll fight in a war that will probably mean nothing and if you don't die or get injured you can be rest assured that your government will gladly cut your benefits.

Where do I sign up?

I'll be 24 this december...so I'm hoping this is all crap or that it'll be tied up long enough that I'll hit the age limit. (Is this 26?)

National guard is crap now. Its a fvcking ticket to Iraq, even though the guard really should just be used for homeland protection and emergencies IMO. The fact that they're relying on the guard to go beyond its job description for this royal fvckup shows how poorly planned and unprepared we were for it. You're right about the benefits as well. If you don't happen to die there you'll probably get a pat on the back and a loss of pay from when you were gone. Thats if you're lucky enough to not get fired while gone, in which case its a ticket to the unemployment line in a lukewarm economy.
 

sandorski

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I hope not. My brother and his family are planning to move to the US this summer(bro currently waiting for his Greencard). I have a Nephew that turns 17 in January, if he ends up Drafted that's going to suck.
 

Steeplerot

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Sigh... So what country or place can people go to now to escape being drafted into a unjust war? Canada is not an option anymore. All the cool people I know are moving overseas and it sucks! I do not know any other language but english. This country is pretty beat now and UK is just a little amerikkka. I dont speak french or german ( I would like to go to Germany but they have really stict laws for moving there), Spain maybe? What are the laws for immigration in Spain? I guess I could stick it out here. I myself would not be drafted but then I don't really want to hang around here while we get bombed for crap we are pulling around the world nor do I want to take any part in this most back-assword country of religious zealots and greedy sheep. I always hoped things were getting better all these years but every time I look around I am amazed with the corprate hole my city and where I travel to has become in the past 10 years.
 

Strk

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I say whatever. I'd be entering OCS in a year if they would let me.

Regardless of me, though, I'm not surprised by this. It is foolish, however, because the last thing we need over there is a bunch of wet-behind-the-ear draftees.
 

Steeplerot

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Yeah Passions seems to need some good man-lovin in a way only a good patriot can give a iraqi.
 

Bowmaster

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I'm always hearing definative answers on this issue from both sides. Some guarantee a draft, some call the others stupid because there will never be a draft. Personally I see it coming, and as a 17-year-old who turns 18 later this year, it has me worried.

I'm too old now to be considered for the draft. I feel for people like you, though, who will have to bear the burden of backing up bad government policies.

I am all for the draft. I want all parents - including me, whos son is too young now but in a few years will be able to be drafted - to really think about our foreign policies. Only then will the faux-patriotism end.
 

daniel1113

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I highly doubt there will be a draft in the near future. However, if there is, you can bet that I will go fight if I am called to do so. It's the least I could do.
 

Steeplerot

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No just no point in walking in front of a bus. or worse yet walking in front of it and having the bus swerve into a crowded sidewalk of innocents becasue of your being blind standing in the road.
 

LunarRay

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Originally posted by: Michael
Is this the third or fourth thread started on this topic already?

If this is really a concern to you, vote Republican because the party sponsoring the bills in question is the Democratic party.

Michael

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Vote Democratic... The Republicans are the party that create wars which need the draft to sustain. But, It seems to me the Republicans have control of both houses of Congress so if it passes one might conclude it was a Republican victory for the right to might..
 

sMiLeYz

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I'll serve if I have to but it's IMPERATIVE that Kerry gets elected. That way... we wont have to fight POINTLESS FVCKING WARS like Iraq.
 

Steeplerot

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I'd serve in the US resistance but I really don't condone violence. BUT I sure would be happy to escort our current administration into custody to have their sentences sorted out by the UN as war criminals.
 

arsbanned

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If I had a son of draft age and Bush wanted him for Iraq, I would assist him in avoiding it.
Cheney avoided Vietnam (what was it? Other priorities?). Bush did. Why not others?