That's right! He'd never vote for one of those things!
And look back at Democratic Senators that became president, they never got us into any wars! :roll:
That's right! He'd never vote for one of those things!
And look back at Democratic Senators that became president, they never got us into any wars! :roll:
I'm not sure if I would dodge or not. It would depend on my feeling at the time. As someone else said, fighting a pointless war for two draft-dodgers doesn't seem right. At the same time, I don't want to leave the U.S. forever, my family and friends are over here. Starting a new life in Europe would be difficult.
LunarRay
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One cannot really can't pick and choose which laws one will obey. The issue remedy is to elect folks who will enact laws consistent with one's philosophy.
If the laws enacted still do not comport with one's philosophy one chooses to be either a criminal or a citizen. Criminals belong in 'jail' and citizens belong paying for their upkeep and the next war or invasion. Its the American way... Pay to Play.
In general I agree with you. So I would seek to have him have "other priorities" or get a deferment of some sort.
If Rush is representative, a lot of conservatives would be too fat and drug-addicted to get in the military.
Alternatively, Texas is the fattest state of the union for example and known for being conservative. Perhaps one could say they are even too fat to defend themselves?
Alternatively, Texas is the fattest state of the union for example and known for being conservative. Perhaps one could say they are even too fat to defend themselves?
soundforbjt
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If all the Bush fanboys would enlist (since they think this war is justified) and quit following Cheney and Rumfield's examples, we wouldn't need a draft.
LunarRay
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If it is within the law, why not! I don't quite understand the issue with the folks currently in government who legally 'opted' out of the draft back when the draft was a reality. Most folks with a modicum of sense don't want to be in harms way when there is an abundance of folks who deem it there duty or just like the idea... either way, if it is the law it is the law. Opting out of the draft using articulated provisions is no different than complying with any other law and simply taking advantage of the conditions that law provides.
With that said, I advise folks in my family to be smart in the choices they make - all of them.
Back when, I recall the absence of 'civilian' jobs requiring my Naval expertise. I suspect the same for an infantryman. There are some transitional functions but, by and large not many, I suspect.
The educational aspects and GI Bill (or its current iteration) are an inducement hard to pass up for folks stead as I was. So it depends... I guess.
I would not 'look down my nose' at a fellow who didn't serve because he took advantage of the law... however, I would prosecute someone who violated it to avoid serving. The Rule of Law... it is all we really have... and it should be written to do what it was intended to do.
5-27-2004 Canada Urged to Give Refuge to U.S. Deserters
Canada should grant refugee status to U.S. soldiers opposed to fighting in Iraq, just as it accepted tens of thousands of draft dodgers and deserters during the Vietnam War, a Canadian anti-war lobby group said on Thursday.
During the Vietnam War in the 1960s and 1970s, up to an estimated 125,000 American draft dodgers, deserters and conscientious objectors came to Canada.
I dont think it is too hard to come to Germany as American, and a new immigration law is on the way (supposedly making it easier for educated ppl). But I dont think u want to come to Germany in the moment. Germany is in the shitter and I dont see change - actually many high educated ppl I know (me included) are actively thinking about leaving.
Oh and there are plenty of US bases here, there are planes leaving for Iraq here all the time - if they catch ya, you'd be in one in not time
Oh and dont listen to the idiots who call "draft dodgers" cowards. I find it very honorable and extremely brave to do that. If everyone would show such bravery there wouldnt be wars.
Well, I hate to lay this on you guys at this time but I have it on good authority that this bill is not going to be considered in '05 but rather is going to be fast-tracked and passed by both houses of Congress within the next 2 weeks and President Bush will sign it on June 30th to commemorate the return of sovereignty to the Iraqi people. According to my sources there will be no upper age limit on the new draft and the initial rollout of conscripts will be coming directly from a federally compiled database of internet forum posters who by their own admission or by the context of their postings have been shown to be politically left leaning.
Originally posted by: B00ne
I dont think it is too hard to come to Germany as American, and a new immigration law is on the way (supposedly making it easier for educated ppl). But I dont think u want to come to Germany in the moment. Germany is in the shitter and I dont see change - actually many high educated ppl I know (me included) are actively thinking about leaving.
Oh and there are plenty of US bases here, there are planes leaving for Iraq here all the time - if they catch ya, you'd be in one in not time
Oh and dont listen to the idiots who call "draft dodgers" cowards. I find it very honorable and extremely brave to do that. If everyone would show such bravery there wouldnt be wars.
No Wars???
You're obviously not a NeoCon, much more Brainwashing needed on you and get that Tin Foil Hat off.
Okay morons listen up,
THERE WILL NOT BE A DRAFT.
Got it? I really thought people had gotten the point by now, but apparently not. I'll try and use small words so anyone who hasn't figured it out yet can understand.
1)The military does not want a draft. Not a single person anywhere in the Pentagon wants a draft. Why? One, they don't need it, the need for soldiers isn't extreme enough to warrant a draft, besides, we can still pull soldiers out of other deployment to send to Iraq if we need to, not to mention after the june 30th handover we'll probably slowly start pulling out. Second, draftees suck at fighting, and everyone in the military knows this. They're more trouble than they're worth, and the military doesn't want them. If they really need some more soldiers they can just start offering more money to enlistees, there are still plenty of people volunteering all the time at current payrates.
2)No one in Congress seriously supports this. You've got some idiot reps putting these forth for two reasons. One, they're just idiot troublemakers trying to get their name in the paper. Two, the democrats are trying to scare people into thinking there's going to be a draft so they'll vote for Kerry in the fall.
3)THERE ISN'T GOING TO BE A DRAFT NUMBSKULLS.
THERE WILL NOT BE A DRAFT.
Got it? I really thought people had gotten the point by now, but apparently not. I'll try and use small words so anyone who hasn't figured it out yet can understand.
1)The military does not want a draft. Not a single person anywhere in the Pentagon wants a draft. Why? One, they don't need it, the need for soldiers isn't extreme enough to warrant a draft, besides, we can still pull soldiers out of other deployment to send to Iraq if we need to, not to mention after the june 30th handover we'll probably slowly start pulling out. Second, draftees suck at fighting, and everyone in the military knows this. They're more trouble than they're worth, and the military doesn't want them. If they really need some more soldiers they can just start offering more money to enlistees, there are still plenty of people volunteering all the time at current payrates.
2)No one in Congress seriously supports this. You've got some idiot reps putting these forth for two reasons. One, they're just idiot troublemakers trying to get their name in the paper. Two, the democrats are trying to scare people into thinking there's going to be a draft so they'll vote for Kerry in the fall.
3)THERE ISN'T GOING TO BE A DRAFT NUMBSKULLS.
Same thing was said about Patriot Act and the rest of similar new Laws and what happened? They sailed through and came to be nearly overnight.
just because they don't "want" a draft, doesn't mean they don't "need" one. Look at the statistics, they state your opinion. About 49% of the soldiers in Iraq are not re-enlisting, how are they going to cover this??
lozina
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Maybe there was a group of guards in the city of Troy who wanted to open up the wooden horse and look inside to make sure no one was hiding inside, but one guard insisted "Look, numbskulls, there is nothign to worry about! If it's not a solid wooden horse then there wouldn't be enough air inside for anyone to survive, so let's just leave it and go get drunk"
So basically, just as there's no harm in peeking inside the horse, there's no harm in contacting your senators and re-affirming your stance on a possible draft. Afterall, if they notice this rumor floating around and no one voiced opinion over it, they'll just think no one cares, right?
Well, I'll explain to you my problem with Cheney and Co. "opting out" during the Vietnam war: because THEY are the ones starting these "preemptive" wars based on phony intelligence in which folks who do not have the financial wherewithal to avoid it are sent to die. Obeying laws is a good thing, possessing morality is important as well.
btw, I served, U.S. Navy 1981-1987; however, there is no way in hell-if I had a son and he didn't want to go-he would be forced to take part in Bush's immoral adventure in Iraq.
After all, what good are laws when the administration seems to have so little regard for them.
Just so you know, blowing off one's allies forcing one to go it alone to launch an unjustified invasion will do that to a military.
Zebo
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If you need a draft the war is no good. By definition it does'nt have popular support and is un-democratic in nature to continue on that path. I would refuse to go, jail time or not. Wisely, the elite, recognise a 33yrold with a fam aint going to tolerate the drafting like the young and dumb so they exempt us. Now if we were actually attacked I would volunteer. Like I volunteer to combat this tresonous, autocratic, and unamerican president who attacks our way of life every chance I get.
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