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Lifer
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I look at it this way if they gave a fuck about this country over themselves they would do what it takes to become legal no matter how long it took. I know people who have done it the way this country currently has it in place and they didn't complain.
retrospooty
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I pulled the race card? This whole issue is about race. You white bread, uneducated, bible thumping lumps don't like the fact that there are too many brown people entering the country and you know it... Its not about legality, crime, or economic issues (those are scapegoat elements)... its about brown people. Anyone that says anything different if a freegin' liar. I personally welcome the rich heritage, and strong, decent family values Mexican immigrants add to our country.
Excuse me but that's crap. I don't give a damn if they're brown, blue, or purple spotted, they're welcome in my neighborhood if they're good upstanding people. Illegals of any color, lilly white Canadians or dark brown Mexicans are unwelcome.
JeepinEd
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It's all about legality crime and economic issues!
I'm a naturalized citizen of Hispanic descent and I happen to agree that illegal immigration is bad for this country and should not be rewarded. I am also well educated and an atheist. It seems to me that YOU are the racist one here.
Edit:
Peolsi swore to uphold our laws and constitution.
She should be impeached.
brandonbull
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SP33Demon
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Dear Ms. Pelosi,
Why not try to push a solution to the problem instead of spouting off at the mouth about your divisive definition of what's "American"? For example, what about proposing a nationalization program through the military? Make illegals serve X years and they are a citizen. If you're willing to take a bullet, then you're a patriot. That = "American", not pandering to the illegal vote.
FOaDie,
SP
Why not try to push a solution to the problem instead of spouting off at the mouth about your divisive definition of what's "American"? For example, what about proposing a nationalization program through the military? Make illegals serve X years and they are a citizen. If you're willing to take a bullet, then you're a patriot. That = "American", not pandering to the illegal vote.
FOaDie,
SP
retrospooty
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On that, I agree.... I just think that most of the people that are up in arms about this issue, are either racist, or just totally uninformed. There are always exceptions to the rule though.
:roll:
Calling people you disagree with racist in order to try and scare them into changing their views may work on some boards, but this one it isnt.
People on all sides, all colors, all nationalities are against illegal immigration. Sorry.
retrospooty
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Sorry... I didn't say anything racist at all..., Quite the oppsoite. I welcome Mexican immigrants with open arms and I would like to see the path to citizenship made much easier so they dont have to cross illegally. I just think that most , not all, of the people upset about this issue are upset because they aren't comfortable with Mexicans expanding thier population in our country. I am happy to have them here.
If you are trying to pin me into a corner and have me say something that IS in fact prejudiced here you go, I will say it... I think you bible thumping evengelical nutjob's are of lesser intellect than the rest of the human race, and should be banned from any and all politics in this country.
retrospooty
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If I offended, I apologise... I am not trying to change anyone's mind, or scare anyone into anything.. To be perfectly honest, this started as a light hearted jab at you, OCguy related to a different thread. I know there are alot of people that are against illegal immigration for alot of valid reasons - I am one of those people. I do, however think alot of people are against it because they don't want too many mexicans in the country.
I would personally love to see the immigration laws made easier to get in, so they wouldnt have to cross illegally. It would be interesting to see who would be against it then.
blackangst1
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I, for one, do not want foreigners who have not gone through the immigration process serving in the US military. And we would need to do this for EVERYONE. Currently the path to citizenship legally (depending on the path taken) is 5-10 years.
blackangst1
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Retro, you said "I would like to see the path to citizenship made much easier". Will you explain please what part of the current legal immigration laws you would circumvent? What part of the process would you change? Do you even know what the process involves? I'd like to hear your ideas (or anyone else for that matter) who has ideas. Just saying "I want to make it easier" is so vague it's an ampty statement. Please provide hard ideas if you can.
retrospooty
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I have to agree with you on this... I admit I stuck my foot in my mouth on this thread, so to speak.
I blame the hangover and damn liberal media.
Why do you favor Mexican immigrants over other immigrants? Just because they have a common border?
If you grant legalization to illegal immigrants, do you believe it would be a slap in the face of all legal immigrants who patiently wait in line for years and years? Why or why not?
If these people are legalized, do you think it'll encourage or discourage future illegal immigration?
---> Pissed of from waiting in the line patiently, following each and every law, spending crazy amounts of cash while watching illegals ignore everything and still have people support amnesty for them. :|
retrospooty
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I dont favor any one... Mexicans are the subject matter because they are by far the largest volume of people entering the country, legally and illegally.
I agree with you its frustrating. There are no easy answers to this issue. You are against granting amnesty, what would you do? We have millions of people here , working jobs that need to be done. Do you just round them up and bus them back? That would cause more issues than it cures.
I want the solution to be equitable, which these so called 'comprehensive' reform bills are anything but. Each of those bills made it too easy for someone illegally in this country to get citizenship.
The only way to make it equitable is to subject the illegal immigrants to the same degree of scrutiny that legal immigrants face, with an additional penalty as punishment for being here illegally. This should be accompanied by making it easier for current legal immigrants, and harsh laws to prevent further illegal immigration.
The last bills had some truly laughable provisions. Someone who committed identity theft could be considered for citizenship. Yet if you're a legal immigrant, and you do something stupid like shop lifting candy, bam! you're out because of moral turpitude.
I don't support deporting all illegal immigrants, but neither do I support general amnesty, which these last few bills have pretty much been.
retrospooty
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all good points... But what do we do with the millions that are already here? Assume that the large majority of them comitted no crime other than crossing illegally to find work (meaning they are not idetity theifs, or other type of criminals). What is the punishment, and can they possibly achieve citizenship? If not, then the only alternative is they remain here illegally (status quo) or they get deported.
Republicans had eight years to reform immigration. They failed to do much of anything about the issue. Now the Democrats are in power so you will have to deal with that.
Although I am for a strict enforcement of immigration laws, I am not going to quit supporting Dems and Pelosi because of a single issue.
Some of you need to stfu about California. California is a state, and does not enforce the immigration laws, that's a Federal responsibility. Most Californians want illegals out, and the Federal govt hasn't done it's job.
Elections have consequences, Republicans lost, now you have to deal with it. I know it's hard, I had to deal with eight years of the Bush disaster. You have to be patient.
Republicans have never done squat about immigration either, besides not enforcing laws and legalizing millions (Reagan). They have proposed some draconian laws which didn't have a chance of passing Congress.
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New York City - The New York Immigration Coalition is stunned and disgusted that Dennis Hastert (R-IL), Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives, is poised to fast-track radical new legislation that would put immigrants and their citizen children in the position of choosing between deportation and death.
Legislation titled the ?Undocumented Alien Emergency Medical Assistance Amendments of 2004? (H.R. 3722) is set to be brought to a vote on the floor of the House of Representatives as early as today. The legislation, proposed by Representative Dana Rohrabacher, Republican from Orange County, California, would deprive hospitals of crucial federal funding unless emergency rooms question patients and obtain employer information and biometric data that will be shared with the Department of Homeland Security for the purpose of immediately deporting individuals who appear to lack immigration documents.
The legislation would divert precious hospital resources away from patient care. Instead, hospitals will be forced to become another meaningless element of the ineffective immigration enforcement bureaucracy. If passed, the legislation will cause immigrants to delay receiving prenatal care and critical medical care, resulting in death, or in far more costly care being needed down the line.
To comply with Mr. Rohrabacher?s proposed legislation, hospital emergency rooms would not only be burdened with the unwieldy task of identifying immigrants for deportation, but would have to question all of their patients, especially those who lack health insurance. It is unclear how many U.S. Citizens who ?look foreign? or speak with an accent will find themselves in bizarre and frightening battles with the Department of Homeland Security if the legislation passes. What is clear is that the legislation would ensure that immigrants will avoid getting the appropriate and timely life saving health care they need, when they need it - according to nation?s major hospital associations.
Adding insult to injury, the proposed legislation permits hospitals to have pregnant women in labor deported, and would allow hospitals to refuse care to immigrants whose severe medical conditions would be costly to treat.
Speaker Hastert has taken the unusual step of allowing Mr. Rohrabacher?s legislation to circumvent the usual law-making processes in the House of Representatives. In what is perhaps a revealing sign of the growing reach of the anti-immigrant wing of Congress, Speaker Hastert has promised Mr. Rohrabacher that his ill-conceived legislation will get special fast-track treatment, greatly improving its chances of passing the House. By allowing the bill to go directly to the floor of the House of Representatives for a vote, Hastert would allow the proposed legislation to bypass the normal process that requires bills to be carefully considered and passed out of Congressional committees before being voted-on.
Although I am for a strict enforcement of immigration laws, I am not going to quit supporting Dems and Pelosi because of a single issue.
Some of you need to stfu about California. California is a state, and does not enforce the immigration laws, that's a Federal responsibility. Most Californians want illegals out, and the Federal govt hasn't done it's job.
Elections have consequences, Republicans lost, now you have to deal with it. I know it's hard, I had to deal with eight years of the Bush disaster. You have to be patient.
Republicans have never done squat about immigration either, besides not enforcing laws and legalizing millions (Reagan). They have proposed some draconian laws which didn't have a chance of passing Congress.
Text
New York City - The New York Immigration Coalition is stunned and disgusted that Dennis Hastert (R-IL), Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives, is poised to fast-track radical new legislation that would put immigrants and their citizen children in the position of choosing between deportation and death.
Legislation titled the ?Undocumented Alien Emergency Medical Assistance Amendments of 2004? (H.R. 3722) is set to be brought to a vote on the floor of the House of Representatives as early as today. The legislation, proposed by Representative Dana Rohrabacher, Republican from Orange County, California, would deprive hospitals of crucial federal funding unless emergency rooms question patients and obtain employer information and biometric data that will be shared with the Department of Homeland Security for the purpose of immediately deporting individuals who appear to lack immigration documents.
The legislation would divert precious hospital resources away from patient care. Instead, hospitals will be forced to become another meaningless element of the ineffective immigration enforcement bureaucracy. If passed, the legislation will cause immigrants to delay receiving prenatal care and critical medical care, resulting in death, or in far more costly care being needed down the line.
To comply with Mr. Rohrabacher?s proposed legislation, hospital emergency rooms would not only be burdened with the unwieldy task of identifying immigrants for deportation, but would have to question all of their patients, especially those who lack health insurance. It is unclear how many U.S. Citizens who ?look foreign? or speak with an accent will find themselves in bizarre and frightening battles with the Department of Homeland Security if the legislation passes. What is clear is that the legislation would ensure that immigrants will avoid getting the appropriate and timely life saving health care they need, when they need it - according to nation?s major hospital associations.
Adding insult to injury, the proposed legislation permits hospitals to have pregnant women in labor deported, and would allow hospitals to refuse care to immigrants whose severe medical conditions would be costly to treat.
Speaker Hastert has taken the unusual step of allowing Mr. Rohrabacher?s legislation to circumvent the usual law-making processes in the House of Representatives. In what is perhaps a revealing sign of the growing reach of the anti-immigrant wing of Congress, Speaker Hastert has promised Mr. Rohrabacher that his ill-conceived legislation will get special fast-track treatment, greatly improving its chances of passing the House. By allowing the bill to go directly to the floor of the House of Representatives for a vote, Hastert would allow the proposed legislation to bypass the normal process that requires bills to be carefully considered and passed out of Congressional committees before being voted-on.
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