Pelosi says enforcing immigration laws is ...

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: quest55720

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Genx87
Another notch on Pelosi's idiocy board.

You will also note this dimwit has no plans to create an immigration policy and neither does Obama. This issue is so big and the republicans are dumb enough to leave it alone. Formulate a realistic immigration policy and the latino vote is yours.

But what's realistic? The only option for the GOP is to compete with the Dems to pander to Latinos, because any tightening on immigration would just be labeled "divisive" and "racist". The GOP can't win on this one.

Actually they can win this one. Like Rahmbo said don't let a good crisis go to waste. The GOP could easily get the American people on their side right now. Just mention how illegals are taking jobs and sucking the system dry.

And watch the race card fly. There's just no win for the GOP in this situation.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Genx87
Another notch on Pelosi's idiocy board.

You will also note this dimwit has no plans to create an immigration policy and neither does Obama. This issue is so big and the republicans are dumb enough to leave it alone. Formulate a realistic immigration policy and the latino vote is yours.

But what's realistic? The only option for the GOP is to compete with the Dems to pander to Latinos, because any tightening on immigration would just be labeled "divisive" and "racist". The GOP can't win on this one.

You mean they need to pander to the Hispanics like Pelosi is because like Pelosi they need their support to win?

Basically, yes.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: ayabe
I don't see this as a D or R issue.

There are plenty of D's who want to enforce the laws, myself included.

Is it enough of an issue to get you to either change your vote, or not go to the polls? If not, then even if you want to enforce the laws and you're a D, your view is irrelevant, because it changes nothing.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Genx87
Another notch on Pelosi's idiocy board.

You will also note this dimwit has no plans to create an immigration policy and neither does Obama. This issue is so big and the republicans are dumb enough to leave it alone. Formulate a realistic immigration policy and the latino vote is yours.

But what's realistic? The only option for the GOP is to compete with the Dems to pander to Latinos, because any tightening on immigration would just be labeled "divisive" and "racist". The GOP can't win on this one.

Realistic immigration poilicy as in making it feasible for these people to become citizens.
Right now Obama and the Dems want the status quo which is let them flow over the border but deny them citizenship thus keeping them in a lower class of citizen forced to live in a sub culture. Create an immigration policy that can put these people onto a track for citizenship and you capture the 90% of the latino vote while also saving this country from being rotted out from a sub culture.

I'm not saying that doesn't make sense, but I see two problems with it.
1) Any path to citizenship for illegals is going to royally piss-off a large part of the GOP base, many of whom themselves would happily give illegals rides back to the border.
2) 90% of the latino vote? That's being very optimistic. Pander all they want, but the GOP will not lock up that much of the minority vote (ANY minority, except maybe Asians) in a significant election anytime soon. I just don't see it happening. The Dems play Santa Claus best.

1. I agree with you the GOP base will have a hard time dealing with it. But they have to get over it imo.
2. Bush got ~45% of the latino vote in 2004 with a well designed campaign. If Republicans deliver an immigration package that makes it realistic they can become citizens without having to wait 2 generations they will roll over imo. Latino voters are mostly catholic and conservative. But the republican party in 08 ignored them and got their ass handed. Need to give them an issue that will get them excited to vote for a republican. Reversing our current immigration policy could do that.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: ayabe
I don't see this as a D or R issue.

There are plenty of D's who want to enforce the laws, myself included.

Is it enough of an issue to get you to either change your vote, or not go to the polls? If not, then even if you want to enforce the laws and you're a D, your view is irrelevant, because it changes nothing.

What?

Change what vote, McCain was/is all about amnesty and so was Bush, and for that matter Reagan granted amnesty back in the 80's.

It's not my #1 issue so no I won't stop voting, that's asinine.

There are plenty of R's who don't care about enforcement, so like I said, it's not a partisan issue.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Genx87
Another notch on Pelosi's idiocy board.

You will also note this dimwit has no plans to create an immigration policy and neither does Obama. This issue is so big and the republicans are dumb enough to leave it alone. Formulate a realistic immigration policy and the latino vote is yours.

But what's realistic? The only option for the GOP is to compete with the Dems to pander to Latinos, because any tightening on immigration would just be labeled "divisive" and "racist". The GOP can't win on this one.

Realistic immigration poilicy as in making it feasible for these people to become citizens.
Right now Obama and the Dems want the status quo which is let them flow over the border but deny them citizenship thus keeping them in a lower class of citizen forced to live in a sub culture. Create an immigration policy that can put these people onto a track for citizenship and you capture the 90% of the latino vote while also saving this country from being rotted out from a sub culture.

I'm not saying that doesn't make sense, but I see two problems with it.
1) Any path to citizenship for illegals is going to royally piss-off a large part of the GOP base, many of whom themselves would happily give illegals rides back to the border.
2) 90% of the latino vote? That's being very optimistic. Pander all they want, but the GOP will not lock up that much of the minority vote (ANY minority, except maybe Asians) in a significant election anytime soon. I just don't see it happening. The Dems play Santa Claus best.

1. I agree with you the GOP base will have a hard time dealing with it. But they have to get over it imo.
2. Bush got ~45% of the latino vote in 2004 with a well designed campaign. If Republicans deliver an immigration package that makes it realistic they can become citizens without having to wait 2 generations they will roll over imo. Latino voters are mostly catholic and conservative. But the republican party in 08 ignored them and got their ass handed. Need to give them an issue that will get them excited to vote for a republican. Reversing our current immigration policy could do that.

So are you proposing TWO legal paths to immigration? One for those who can afford the regular way, and a discounted one for those who cant pay? Other than the cost associated with it, would you keep all the other same requirements?

 

[nobodyknows]

So if we do end up giving amnesty I wonder if they will allow educated people to sneak in and then they won't need H1B's anymore?

Red Dawn has it right, this is just Peolsi catering to her Hispanic voters.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Genx87
Another notch on Pelosi's idiocy board.

You will also note this dimwit has no plans to create an immigration policy and neither does Obama. This issue is so big and the republicans are dumb enough to leave it alone. Formulate a realistic immigration policy and the latino vote is yours.

But what's realistic? The only option for the GOP is to compete with the Dems to pander to Latinos, because any tightening on immigration would just be labeled "divisive" and "racist". The GOP can't win on this one.

Realistic immigration poilicy as in making it feasible for these people to become citizens.
Right now Obama and the Dems want the status quo which is let them flow over the border but deny them citizenship thus keeping them in a lower class of citizen forced to live in a sub culture. Create an immigration policy that can put these people onto a track for citizenship and you capture the 90% of the latino vote while also saving this country from being rotted out from a sub culture.

I'm not saying that doesn't make sense, but I see two problems with it.
1) Any path to citizenship for illegals is going to royally piss-off a large part of the GOP base, many of whom themselves would happily give illegals rides back to the border.
2) 90% of the latino vote? That's being very optimistic. Pander all they want, but the GOP will not lock up that much of the minority vote (ANY minority, except maybe Asians) in a significant election anytime soon. I just don't see it happening. The Dems play Santa Claus best.

1. I agree with you the GOP base will have a hard time dealing with it. But they have to get over it imo.
2. Bush got ~45% of the latino vote in 2004 with a well designed campaign. If Republicans deliver an immigration package that makes it realistic they can become citizens without having to wait 2 generations they will roll over imo. Latino voters are mostly catholic and conservative. But the republican party in 08 ignored them and got their ass handed. Need to give them an issue that will get them excited to vote for a republican. Reversing our current immigration policy could do that.

So are you proposing TWO legal paths to immigration? One for those who can afford the regular way, and a discounted one for those who cant pay? Other than the cost associated with it, would you keep all the other same requirements?

I propose streamlining it for everybody. When people who are educated and productive citizens take years to gain citizenship there is something wrong with the system.

 

[SAWYER]

The R or D's won't do a damn thing about the issue, they scum in Washington on both sides of the isle are more worried about future votes.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Genx87
Another notch on Pelosi's idiocy board.

You will also note this dimwit has no plans to create an immigration policy and neither does Obama. This issue is so big and the republicans are dumb enough to leave it alone. Formulate a realistic immigration policy and the latino vote is yours.

But what's realistic? The only option for the GOP is to compete with the Dems to pander to Latinos, because any tightening on immigration would just be labeled "divisive" and "racist". The GOP can't win on this one.

Realistic immigration poilicy as in making it feasible for these people to become citizens.
Right now Obama and the Dems want the status quo which is let them flow over the border but deny them citizenship thus keeping them in a lower class of citizen forced to live in a sub culture. Create an immigration policy that can put these people onto a track for citizenship and you capture the 90% of the latino vote while also saving this country from being rotted out from a sub culture.

I'm not saying that doesn't make sense, but I see two problems with it.
1) Any path to citizenship for illegals is going to royally piss-off a large part of the GOP base, many of whom themselves would happily give illegals rides back to the border.
2) 90% of the latino vote? That's being very optimistic. Pander all they want, but the GOP will not lock up that much of the minority vote (ANY minority, except maybe Asians) in a significant election anytime soon. I just don't see it happening. The Dems play Santa Claus best.

1. I agree with you the GOP base will have a hard time dealing with it. But they have to get over it imo.
2. Bush got ~45% of the latino vote in 2004 with a well designed campaign. If Republicans deliver an immigration package that makes it realistic they can become citizens without having to wait 2 generations they will roll over imo. Latino voters are mostly catholic and conservative. But the republican party in 08 ignored them and got their ass handed. Need to give them an issue that will get them excited to vote for a republican. Reversing our current immigration policy could do that.

So are you proposing TWO legal paths to immigration? One for those who can afford the regular way, and a discounted one for those who cant pay? Other than the cost associated with it, would you keep all the other same requirements?

I propose streamlining it for everybody. When people who are educated and productive citizens take years to gain citizenship there is something wrong with the system.

Tell us about the immigration process what you would streamline. Im VERY knowledgeable about the different paths available and how they all work, so Im curious. You mentioned before how could a migrant farmer afford it (your words) so cost is one?

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: quest55720

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: Genx87

Right now Obama and the Dems want the status quo which is let them flow over the border but deny them citizenship .

Where did you dig up that garbage from? They support a path to citizenship and securing borders. I agree with that. There are millions here working to provide for thier families. We should give them a path to become citizens... then TAX them =)

If they made enough to pay federal income taxes then they would have enough money to get their green card.

The democrats are against securing the boarder and will never agree to really securing the boarder.

Yep. All they see is a new vote with every new body that crosses that border.

And all you see is one more brown person in your country. :|

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: quest55720

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: Genx87

Right now Obama and the Dems want the status quo which is let them flow over the border but deny them citizenship .

Where did you dig up that garbage from? They support a path to citizenship and securing borders. I agree with that. There are millions here working to provide for thier families. We should give them a path to become citizens... then TAX them =)

If they made enough to pay federal income taxes then they would have enough money to get their green card.

The democrats are against securing the boarder and will never agree to really securing the boarder.

Yep. All they see is a new vote with every new body that crosses that border.

And all you see is one more brown person in your country. :|

That was uncalled for. You said "They support a path to citizenship and securing borders. I agree with that. " so Im assuming you believe we shouldnt just let anyone cross the borders? And now all of a sudden those who want those who crossed ILLEGALLY deported are racists? WTF?

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: quest55720

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: Genx87

Right now Obama and the Dems want the status quo which is let them flow over the border but deny them citizenship .

Where did you dig up that garbage from? They support a path to citizenship and securing borders. I agree with that. There are millions here working to provide for thier families. We should give them a path to become citizens... then TAX them =)

If they made enough to pay federal income taxes then they would have enough money to get their green card.

The democrats are against securing the boarder and will never agree to really securing the boarder.

Yep. All they see is a new vote with every new body that crosses that border.

And all you see is one more brown person in your country. :|

Blah blah racism blah blah fear.

There is a process to enter here legally. Why should someone from Mexico or El Salvador get to circumvent that process, yet someone from Laos has to get in line with everyone else?

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Genx87
Another notch on Pelosi's idiocy board.

You will also note this dimwit has no plans to create an immigration policy and neither does Obama. This issue is so big and the republicans are dumb enough to leave it alone. Formulate a realistic immigration policy and the latino vote is yours.

But what's realistic? The only option for the GOP is to compete with the Dems to pander to Latinos, because any tightening on immigration would just be labeled "divisive" and "racist". The GOP can't win on this one.

Realistic immigration poilicy as in making it feasible for these people to become citizens.
Right now Obama and the Dems want the status quo which is let them flow over the border but deny them citizenship thus keeping them in a lower class of citizen forced to live in a sub culture. Create an immigration policy that can put these people onto a track for citizenship and you capture the vote while also saving this country from being rotted out from a sub culture. Of course you also capture 90% of the latino vote in the process.

They already have a way to citizenship. Its called LEGAL immigration.

Yeah? And how exactly would a low skilled laborer from Mexicon attain that within his\her lifetime? That is my point. We have an unrealistic immigration policy which is leading the situation we currently have. When highly education and productive people take years to attain citizenship good luck to the avg mexican migrant.

I really dont give a fuck about low skilled mexican workers and neither should OUR government.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: quest55720

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: Genx87

Right now Obama and the Dems want the status quo which is let them flow over the border but deny them citizenship .

Where did you dig up that garbage from? They support a path to citizenship and securing borders. I agree with that. There are millions here working to provide for thier families. We should give them a path to become citizens... then TAX them =)

If they made enough to pay federal income taxes then they would have enough money to get their green card.

The democrats are against securing the boarder and will never agree to really securing the boarder.

Yep. All they see is a new vote with every new body that crosses that border.

And all you see is one more brown person in your country. :|

lol you lost the argument so you pull the race card. lol you are a tool.

 

[SneakyStuff]

Well at least she supports the reform of marijuana laws :laugh:.

 

[StageLeft]

I don't understand how Pelosi still holds office. EVERYBODY fvcking hates her.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
I don't understand how Pelosi still holds office. EVERYBODY fvcking hates her.

PRSF

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Fucking Bitch is drunk with power. She's going to be a thorn in Obama's side.

I don't hear El Presidente Obama disagreeing, she is doing the grunt work, Obama supports her.

 

[misle]

Does she feel this way about enforcing Federal Tax Law? Because I could agree with her on that!

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: misle
Does she feel this way about enforcing Federal Tax Law? Because I could agree with her on that!

No, or else she would have been nominated for the cabinet.

 

[misle]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: misle
Does she feel this way about enforcing Federal Tax Law? Because I could agree with her on that!

No, or else she would have been nominated for the cabinet.

ZING!

:laugh:

 

[GeezerMan]

Fine, give her an illegal immigrant pilot for her Gulfstream G5. Let him enroll in English as a second language and on the job pilot training at 30,000 feet.

 

[heyheybooboo]

I hate to interrupt this LoveFest but there seems to be a slight matter of controversy over 287(g) across the nation.

Maybe you should look it up ...

 

[daniel49]

not sure what boo boo is referring to, but other then that P and N seems to be in complete agreement on this?
That must be a very uncommon occurance?:Q
Comon Harvey, JPeyton,craig? nothing to dissent here?