Pelosi says enforcing immigration laws is ...

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: bullbert

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Genx87
Another notch on Pelosi's idiocy board.

You will also note this dimwit has no plans to create an immigration policy and neither does Obama. This issue is so big and the republicans are dumb enough to leave it alone. Formulate a realistic immigration policy and the latino vote is yours.

But what's realistic? The only option for the GOP is to compete with the Dems to pander to Latinos, because any tightening on immigration would just be labeled "divisive" and "racist". The GOP can't win on this one.

Realistic immigration poilicy as in making it feasible for these people to become citizens.
Right now Obama and the Dems want the status quo which is let them flow over the border but deny them citizenship thus keeping them in a lower class of citizen forced to live in a sub culture. Create an immigration policy that can put these people onto a track for citizenship and you capture the vote while also saving this country from being rotted out from a sub culture. Of course you also capture 90% of the latino vote in the process.

They already have a way to citizenship. Its called LEGAL immigration.

Yeah? And how exactly would a low skilled laborer from Mexicon attain that within his\her lifetime? That is my point. We have an unrealistic immigration policy which is leading the situation we currently have. When highly education and productive people take years to attain citizenship good luck to the avg mexican migrant.

Move to India, then come to work in the USA on a L1 work visa. No experience required. No education required. No skills required.

Other than 1. getting a job in India, and 2. that company's head office is in the USA, and finally 3. the company files the L1 on behalf of the empoyee.....

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: blackangst1
You honestly think its wise to have an illegal alien serving in our armed forces? With exposure to possible classified info? Are you serious?

Why not? There are tons of legal immigrants in our armed forces, are they a risk to "possible classified info" as well? Do you really believe that we cannot modularize illegals into something useful without compromising national security? At the most, they may be a threat to our bases but even then they have limited access.

Old school thinking like "They have to go through the regular immigration process" is clearly not working. We need to think of alternative, viable solutions to deal with the bloodsucking illegals that are already HERE. It's impossible to remove all of them, may as well add some incentive for them to earn a citizenship instead of leeching off of us forever.

Those legal immigrants who are serving...do you have any clue as the security checks that were done to get them their 10 year green card so they could serve? Any idea at all? And if you do, are you suggesting we should by-pass those checks for illegals?

The checks aren't actually that rigorous, and a lot of it tends to take place months or years after the person has joined. Non-citizens can't get security clearances though, so pretty much the only jobs they do are the paperwork shuffling/cooking/painting jobs. (at least in the Navy)

I wouldn't have a problem with illegal aliens serving in our armed forces in a similar capacity.

Thats not true. Full background checks, both here and in the host country, are done. Unless there are special circumstances (political asylum is one) if one has a record in their home country, they cant get permanent resident status in the USA. If illegal aliens want to serve, they should at least go through THAT process. And if that were the case, they can just apply legally for residency.

I spent many years in the military, I have known many non-citizen members. THey aren't that big a deal.

 

[Vic]

I can't stand Pelosi, but I do agree that a govt big enough to strictly enforce immigration is a govt big enough to strictly enforce just about everything else in our lives, including emigration. So yes, that govt would be un-American.

When does a wall to keep the 'barbarians' out become a fence to keep the citizens in?

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: retrospooty
I pulled the race card? This whole issue is about race. You white bread, uneducated, bible thumping lumps don't like the fact that there are too many brown people entering the country and you know it... Its not about legality, crime, or economic issues (those are scapegoat elements)... its about brown people. Anyone that says anything different if a freegin' liar. I personally welcome the rich heritage, and strong, decent family values Mexican immigrants add to our country.

Fine, then let them do it legally. Ask anyone who has dealt with the USCIS, it is a very costly PITA. There's massive amounts of confusing paperwork, long waits without the ability to get status updates, and expensive fee after expensive fee. My wife is a legal immigrant. It took 6 months for her visa to be approved to come here. It was another 5 months until she was approved to work here. It's been 2 years and we're still going through the process. We've got a (IIRC) $700-ish fee to change her 2 year green card to 10 years coming later this year.

I have no problem with those who are here illegally having a path to citizenship as long as they meet the same qualifications, pay the same fees, and get in line *behind* those who are following the rules. This amnesty talk is crap.

Dang you got approval in 6 months? My wife's took 13 And we didnt have an admin review either. And your right. It doesnt get any better, although you do get reprieve after she gets her 10 year card.

Did you use a CR1 visa? That was running 12-13 months when we did it. We went the K3 route - quicker but we had to wait on the SSN/work approval. There was another benefit as well but I can't remember.

Nope we went K3. We did, however, get her SSN within 2 weeks after marriage.

Don't you mean K1? They come in as fiance(e) then marry in the states within 90 days. They get the SSN quick but need to apply for traveling in/out of the US (advanced parole) before the green card. K3's are already married when they hit the states and need to apply for work approval but their visa's are multiple entry so they can travel in/out - no need for advanced parole.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: Vic
I can't stand Pelosi, but I do agree that a govt big enough to strictly enforce immigration is a govt big enough to strictly enforce just about everything else in our lives, including emigration. So yes, that govt would be un-American.

When does a wall to keep the 'barbarians' out become a fence to keep the citizens in?

LOL, planes go OVER fences.

Do you seriously envision Americans fleeing to Mexico on foot?

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Thats not true. Full background checks, both here and in the host country, are done. Unless there are special circumstances (political asylum is one) if one has a record in their home country, they cant get permanent resident status in the USA. If illegal aliens want to serve, they should at least go through THAT process. And if that were the case, they can just apply legally for residency.

How can illegal aliens legally apply for residency? I was mainly referring to the problem of aliens who are already here, not ones who want to get in. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think an illegal can apply once they've already snuck into the country. An "amnesty" law for them applying for to serve in the military would ensure they aren't arrested if they apply and are waiting for their background results back. Maybe create a new "card" for them to carry. If their background check fails, then they are deported. All in all, only illegals who are clean would be applying to the military (unless they're stupid and WANT to be prosecuted for past crimes) which may be half of all eligible illegals (guessing here).

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: blackangst1
You honestly think its wise to have an illegal alien serving in our armed forces? With exposure to possible classified info? Are you serious?

Why not? There are tons of legal immigrants in our armed forces, are they a risk to "possible classified info" as well? Do you really believe that we cannot modularize illegals into something useful without compromising national security? At the most, they may be a threat to our bases but even then they have limited access.

Old school thinking like "They have to go through the regular immigration process" is clearly not working. We need to think of alternative, viable solutions to deal with the bloodsucking illegals that are already HERE. It's impossible to remove all of them, may as well add some incentive for them to earn a citizenship instead of leeching off of us forever.

Those legal immigrants who are serving...do you have any clue as the security checks that were done to get them their 10 year green card so they could serve? Any idea at all? And if you do, are you suggesting we should by-pass those checks for illegals?

The checks aren't actually that rigorous, and a lot of it tends to take place months or years after the person has joined. Non-citizens can't get security clearances though, so pretty much the only jobs they do are the paperwork shuffling/cooking/painting jobs. (at least in the Navy)

I wouldn't have a problem with illegal aliens serving in our armed forces in a similar capacity.

Thats not true. Full background checks, both here and in the host country, are done. Unless there are special circumstances (political asylum is one) if one has a record in their home country, they cant get permanent resident status in the USA. If illegal aliens want to serve, they should at least go through THAT process. And if that were the case, they can just apply legally for residency.

I spent many years in the military, I have known many non-citizen members. THey aren't that big a deal.

Thats fine. I know a few also. Thats not my point. But would you advocate a different set of requirements for illegals to serve than legal resident aliens? (Which gets us back to my original question).

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: retrospooty
I pulled the race card? This whole issue is about race. You white bread, uneducated, bible thumping lumps don't like the fact that there are too many brown people entering the country and you know it... Its not about legality, crime, or economic issues (those are scapegoat elements)... its about brown people. Anyone that says anything different if a freegin' liar. I personally welcome the rich heritage, and strong, decent family values Mexican immigrants add to our country.

Fine, then let them do it legally. Ask anyone who has dealt with the USCIS, it is a very costly PITA. There's massive amounts of confusing paperwork, long waits without the ability to get status updates, and expensive fee after expensive fee. My wife is a legal immigrant. It took 6 months for her visa to be approved to come here. It was another 5 months until she was approved to work here. It's been 2 years and we're still going through the process. We've got a (IIRC) $700-ish fee to change her 2 year green card to 10 years coming later this year.

I have no problem with those who are here illegally having a path to citizenship as long as they meet the same qualifications, pay the same fees, and get in line *behind* those who are following the rules. This amnesty talk is crap.

Dang you got approval in 6 months? My wife's took 13 And we didnt have an admin review either. And your right. It doesnt get any better, although you do get reprieve after she gets her 10 year card.

Did you use a CR1 visa? That was running 12-13 months when we did it. We went the K3 route - quicker but we had to wait on the SSN/work approval. There was another benefit as well but I can't remember.

Nope we went K3. We did, however, get her SSN within 2 weeks after marriage.

Don't you mean K1? They come in as fiance(e) then marry in the states within 90 days. They get the SSN quick but need to apply for traveling in/out of the US (advanced parole) before the green card. K3's are already married when they hit the states and need to apply for work approval but their visa's are multiple entry so they can travel in/out - no need for advanced parole.

Ooops yeah K1

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Thats not true. Full background checks, both here and in the host country, are done. Unless there are special circumstances (political asylum is one) if one has a record in their home country, they cant get permanent resident status in the USA. If illegal aliens want to serve, they should at least go through THAT process. And if that were the case, they can just apply legally for residency.

How can illegal aliens legally apply for residency? I was mainly referring to the problem of aliens who are already here, not ones who want to get in. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think an illegal can apply once they've already snuck into the country. An "amnesty" law for them applying for to serve in the military would ensure they aren't arrested if they apply and are waiting for their background results back. Maybe create a new "card" for them to carry. If their background check fails, then they are deported. All in all, only illegals who are clean would be applying to the military (unless they're stupid and WANT to be prosecuted for past crimes) which may be half of all eligible illegals (guessing here).

The only way an illegal can gain residency is to go back to their country of origin and apply legally. So youre right about that.

As far as your process you mentioned, do you remember what happened when Reagan granted amnesty? Do you really think we should make the exact same mistake TWICE? Also, in many cases, the system you are advocating would make it easier to get residency than if applied for legally. What do you think that would do to the system? If you want access to the US, why in the world would you take the legal route and not just sneak over the border and take the faster route? The idea here is to NOT reward illegal action (BTW, sneaking into a sovereign nation is illegal, did you know that? Last time I checked crime is punished, not rewarded.), not to encourage it. If something like what youre advocating comes to pass (which it wont, realistically) it should twice as expensive, and twice as difficult. Why? To discourage coming here ILLEGALLY.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Thats not true. Full background checks, both here and in the host country, are done. Unless there are special circumstances (political asylum is one) if one has a record in their home country, they cant get permanent resident status in the USA. If illegal aliens want to serve, they should at least go through THAT process. And if that were the case, they can just apply legally for residency.

How can illegal aliens legally apply for residency? I was mainly referring to the problem of aliens who are already here, not ones who want to get in. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think an illegal can apply once they've already snuck into the country. An "amnesty" law for them applying for to serve in the military would ensure they aren't arrested if they apply and are waiting for their background results back. Maybe create a new "card" for them to carry. If their background check fails, then they are deported. All in all, only illegals who are clean would be applying to the military (unless they're stupid and WANT to be prosecuted for past crimes) which may be half of all eligible illegals (guessing here).

The only way an illegal can gain residency is to go back to their country of origin and apply legally. So youre right about that.

As far as your process you mentioned, do you remember what happened when Reagan granted amnesty? Do you really think we should make the exact same mistake TWICE? Also, in many cases, the system you are advocating would make it easier to get residency than if applied for legally. What do you think that would do to the system? If you want access to the US, why in the world would you take the legal route and not just sneak over the border and take the faster route? The idea here is to NOT reward illegal action (BTW, sneaking into a sovereign nation is illegal, did you know that? Last time I checked crime is punished, not rewarded.), not to encourage it. If something like what youre advocating comes to pass (which it wont, realistically) it should twice as expensive, and twice as difficult. Why? To discourage coming here ILLEGALLY.

Make it so that it's not a faster route. Simply require 8 years of service, or even 12. Doing hard time in boot camp and scrubbing latrines/serving food/polishing guns is earning your residency more than someone who just married a US citizen. It's a respectable way to tell their grandkids: "Hey I messed up and risked my life to come to America illegally, but then I made amends for it by serving my country in the military for 8/10/12 [insert number here] years and I'm dam proud to be a veteran.

Also, I'm not following your logic as to why this would be "twice as expensive"? Any evidence of this?

What's expensive were the $20K signing bonuses the Army were giving away the past couple of years to entice new recruits. If 6 million more people joined the Army, they wouldn't have to worry about low numbers and wasting money with exorbitant signing bonuses.

 

[Modelworks]

You lost me at Pelosi says.
Anything after that coming from her isn't worth thinking about.