Pelosi says birth control will help economy

[jpeyton]

Sorry GOP, population control IS an issue that we'll have to confront in our lifetimes.

Humans aren't going to stop having sex anytime soon. Birth control is the cheapest way to reduce unwanted, unplanned pregnancies.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: OrByte
Its pretty sad when republicans need to insert a wedge issue (abortion) into the economic struggles we see today in order to make themselves feel better.

Keep fighting the good fight!! God Bless America!

YOU ARE A REAL PATRIOT SPECOP 007!

:roll:

Its sad how quickly idiots jump on the political bandwagon.

You do realize it was Pelosi that propsed this right? SHE is the one inserting wedge issues and ignoring the real problem.

If you bothered to read however you would see I pointed this out already in the OP.

The 800+billion stimulus package is hardly ignoring the "real problem"

Republicans get their panties in a wad because of 100+ million being allocated to Family planning programs. Something that makes republicans start ringing their hands because they dont want to see their tax money being spent on the devils work.

I would have figured you and your ilk would all be behind Pelosi's program to go after all those welfare baby making machines.

So now that democrats are crafting the spending bills the waste, earmakrs, and political paybacks should be ignored?

What else is in this stimulus package that doesnt hold true to the "spirit" of the legislation?

Give drudge a few days and Im sure he will weed it all out for us. If not, I know that Specop is on the case!!

No one here is ignoring waste, earmarkers, or political paybacks. If that is how you choose to label these funds then fine, but I don't consider this pork, and I'm not ignoring it. If anything I am simply receptive to spending in these areas (family planning.) Have you looked at what abstinence only education has done to teenage pregnancies lately? And just how much do all these ghetto, low income babies end up costing us in the long run? I generalize but I think you get my point.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Genx87
I think I find delicious about this is she obviously believe low income earners will recieve this much needed contraception. Meaning she doesnt believe these low income earners can pull themselves out of the hole they are in and will be a net negative on the govt and society as a whole. Just remember that the next time you hear hew whining about being for the poor.

If you're living in poverty the last think you need is another mouth to feed.

Well no shit sherlock. Now explain to me how having a govt hand out contrceptives will magically make these people use it? What next, Pelosi passes a measure requiring a govt official be present while sex to gurantee the free condom is put to use? Either way I find it amusing her lack of confidence in the people she claims to fight so hard for.

After taking into the consideration of the ratio of government spending on average for just one child born from a parent that cannot afford it to that of the spending on birth control for one parent it becomes clear that the number of people that actually use it does not need to be high in order to justify the cost. My guess is that if this fund prevented only an additional 5% of unwanted pregnancies that would have lead to social services then it would be a success since the differences in cost are so dramatic. If nothing else, it is well worth trying if you ask me.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Robor
Do you (OP) propose less income tax deductions for parents too? Or is it just minority parents you're worried about stealing our tax dollars?

I dont see why I get money back for having kids.

More specifically, I dont understand why I get your tax money for having kids. Thats not fair to you is it?

Additionally, I didnt realize poverty was limited to minorities. I dont know why you would even bring up race when trhis is a class issue. Actually I do. Its ALWAYS been a class issue. But the handful of power elites have fooled us for centuries into thinking it was a race issue.

Now if you want to discuss the facts of what groups are the greatest percentages of poor or single mothers or welfare recievers thats fine. But I certainly wouldnt say that race was the cause of a higher then average rate, if one were to exist.

Parents get deductions to help them pay for raising their children so they can become workers and tax paying citizens. I don't have any children at the moment but I sure don't want tax dollars taken away from education or deductions for families.

My point regarding race in this thread is based on comments and threads you've made regarding race in other threads. Oh, and that sig you had about black on white rape.

 

[mugs]

As much as I don't think this is the government's responsibility, she could very well be right. How right she is depends on how willing people are to accept free birth control.

Free birth control that is actually used == poor people having fewer babies == massive long-term savings on other hand-outs. Also a possible reduction in crime and the poverty rate. And since I assume you're a Republican you can look at this as the silver lining - poor people having fewer babies == fewer Democrats.

 

[bbdub333]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: OrByte
Its pretty sad when republicans need to insert a wedge issue (abortion) into the economic struggles we see today in order to make themselves feel better.

Keep fighting the good fight!! God Bless America!

YOU ARE A REAL PATRIOT SPECOP 007!

:roll:

Its sad how quickly idiots jump on the political bandwagon.

You do realize it was Pelosi that propsed this right? SHE is the one inserting wedge issues and ignoring the real problem.

If you bothered to read however you would see I pointed this out already in the OP.

The 800+billion stimulus package is hardly ignoring the "real problem"

Republicans get their panties in a wad because of 100+ million being allocated to Family planning programs. Something that makes republicans start ringing their hands because they dont want to see their tax money being spent on the devils work.

I would have figured you and your ilk would all be behind Pelosi's program to go after all those welfare baby making machines.

So please explain your original comment... how are the Republicans inserting a wedge issue into the economic problems again?

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: Genx87
I think I find delicious about this is she obviously believe low income earners will recieve this much needed contraception. Meaning she doesnt believe these low income earners can pull themselves out of the hole they are in and will be a net negative on the govt and society as a whole. Just remember that the next time you hear her whining about being for the poor.

That said this is supposed to be a stimulus package that creates jobs by building infrastructure. WTF does contraception have to do with this? I bet once it is all said and done and fails to do anything we can examine where the money went and find a decent % going to black holes and special interest groups that added nothing meaningful to the economy.

I share your concern regarding how effectively the money will be spent...if a large percentage of the money goes to special interest groups who also have abortion agendas then we have an epic fail IMO. Contraception (especially the pill) should be easily obtainable at negligible or no cost. "Administration costs" should be kept to a minimum and should not be used to fund any proabortion or related activities. Somehow I think I'm dreaming.

I agree except the abortion part. What does abortion have to do with this?

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: mugs
As much as I don't think this is the government's responsibility, she could very well be right. How right she is depends on how willing people are to accept free birth control.

Free birth control that is actually used == poor people having fewer babies == massive long-term savings on other hand-outs. Also a possible reduction in crime and the poverty rate. And since I assume you're a Republican you can look at this as the silver lining - poor people having fewer babies == fewer Democrats.

Hehe... Someone actually said that regarding abortion in another thread!

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Genx87
I think I find delicious about this is she obviously believe low income earners will recieve this much needed contraception. Meaning she doesnt believe these low income earners can pull themselves out of the hole they are in and will be a net negative on the govt and society as a whole. Just remember that the next time you hear hew whining about being for the poor.

If you're living in poverty the last think you need is another mouth to feed.

Except when the welfare law says you get more money if you make more kids. So these dirtbags just have more kids while neglecting their kids.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Genx87
I think I find delicious about this is she obviously believe low income earners will recieve this much needed contraception. Meaning she doesnt believe these low income earners can pull themselves out of the hole they are in and will be a net negative on the govt and society as a whole. Just remember that the next time you hear hew whining about being for the poor.

If you're living in poverty the last think you need is another mouth to feed.

Except when the welfare law says you get more money if you make more kids. So these dirtbags just have more kids while neglecting their kids.

There will always be dirtbags in every situation in life.

Don't base policy decisions on outliers.

 

[taltamir]

I want free government funded drive through abortion clinics... A woman drives in, signs a waver, and in 20 minutes drives out babyless...
It will be the END of welfare...

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Sorry GOP, population control IS an issue that we'll have to confront in our lifetimes.

Are you sure you want to do that? Because the population expansion is coming from the democratic base

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: bbdub333

So please explain your original comment... how are the Republicans inserting a wedge issue into the economic problems again?

Republicans get their panties in a wad because of 100+ million being allocated to Family planning programs. Something that makes republicans start ringing their hands because they dont want to see their tax money being spent on the devils work.

There are 500+ BILLION dollars of spending in the Dem stimulus package. Why is it that people like McConnell and Boehner trot out this 100+ million family planning program as one of the main reasons to oppose the stimulus package?

I will tell you why, because republicans don't like family planning period. Again, its the devils work.

What better way to gain support for your OWN stimulus package? one that is based solely on tax cuts and program cuts?

That is the definition of a wedge issue right there. I can't blame republicans for doing it, it is effective. Instead of throwing up arguments against the entire $500+ billion dollar spending proposals why not just single out one individual program and play the 'composition fallacy' with the rest of the stimulus package? We are all stupid enough to fall for it. Well, some of us are....did that explanation work for you?

 

[jonks]

Well they can't say "stimulate" and "package" 500 times a day and expect people not to get all randy. Pelosi just opens those gigantic eyes of hers and I need a cold shower.

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
Damn...I agree with Pelosi...oh noes!

LOL, me to on this issue. The more free contraception we hand out, the less unwanted children and/or abortions.

I hate to agree with Pelosi, but even she is right on this one.

 

[Wheezer]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Genx87
I think I find delicious about this is she obviously believe low income earners will recieve this much needed contraception. Meaning she doesnt believe these low income earners can pull themselves out of the hole they are in and will be a net negative on the govt and society as a whole. Just remember that the next time you hear hew whining about being for the poor.

If you're living in poverty the last think you need is another mouth to feed.

Except when the welfare law says you get more money if you make more kids. So these dirtbags just have more kids while neglecting their kids.

it's been going on for a very long time and I hate to break it to you, but it's not going to end anytime soon.

People more often than not work harder at getting out of work and trying to circumvent the system than they do actually working.

It is human nature and unfortunately you cannot legislate control of human nature.

 

[Aikouka]

I've never liked the idea of supporting people that just can't stop fucking when they can't even bother to "suit up" and know they can't afford the outcome. Responsibility doesn't even exist anymore in that realm =\.

But hey, can I get some free condoms out of this deal? Maybe it can at least benefit me . (This is where you guys insert remarks like, "Why, you'll never need them anyway" )

 

[halik]

Err where is the flaw in her reasoning?

Low income people having kids is an instant draw on social services; paying for birth control is hella cheaper than medicaid, welfare and so on.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Robor
Do you (OP) propose less income tax deductions for parents too? Or is it just minority parents you're worried about stealing our tax dollars?

I dont see why I get money back for having kids.

More specifically, I dont understand why I get your tax money for having kids. Thats not fair to you is it?

Additionally, I didnt realize poverty was limited to minorities. I dont know why you would even bring up race when trhis is a class issue. Actually I do. Its ALWAYS been a class issue. But the handful of power elites have fooled us for centuries into thinking it was a race issue.

Now if you want to discuss the facts of what groups are the greatest percentages of poor or single mothers or welfare recievers thats fine. But I certainly wouldnt say that race was the cause of a higher then average rate, if one were to exist.

You don't get tax credits for dependents? You don't get extra welfare for dependents? WTF are you tlaking about?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: Genx87
I think I find delicious about this is she obviously believe low income earners will recieve this much needed contraception. Meaning she doesnt believe these low income earners can pull themselves out of the hole they are in and will be a net negative on the govt and society as a whole. Just remember that the next time you hear her whining about being for the poor.

That said this is supposed to be a stimulus package that creates jobs by building infrastructure. WTF does contraception have to do with this? I bet once it is all said and done and fails to do anything we can examine where the money went and find a decent % going to black holes and special interest groups that added nothing meaningful to the economy.

I share your concern regarding how effectively the money will be spent...if a large percentage of the money goes to special interest groups who also have abortion agendas then we have an epic fail IMO. Contraception (especially the pill) should be easily obtainable at negligible or no cost. "Administration costs" should be kept to a minimum and should not be used to fund any proabortion or related activities. Somehow I think I'm dreaming.

Exactly what "special interest groups" are you people talking about?

Most of these family planning monies go to state and local government programs.

Planned Parenthood for starters.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Sorry GOP, population control IS an issue that we'll have to confront in our lifetimes.

Are you sure you want to do that? Because the population expansion is coming from the democratic base

Yes I'm sure. My cover is blown. I'm really a GOP plant.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
Planned Parenthood for starters.

Which would you prefer? Small amounts of your taxes going towards paying for a fraction of a woman's abortion under the assumption that the woman is a low income inner or large amounts of your taxes going towards all of the other social services that come with unwanted child births?

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Genx87
I think I find delicious about this is she obviously believe low income earners will recieve this much needed contraception. Meaning she doesnt believe these low income earners can pull themselves out of the hole they are in and will be a net negative on the govt and society as a whole. Just remember that the next time you hear hew whining about being for the poor.

If you're living in poverty the last think you need is another mouth to feed.

Then you ought to go buy contraception yourself, eh.

 

[Pneumothorax]

Originally posted by: halik
Err where is the flaw in her reasoning?

Low income people having kids is an instant draw on social services; paying for birth control is hella cheaper than medicaid, welfare and so on.

I'm surprised the dem's even supported this as for every pregnancy prevented means 1 less vote for them. lol

 

[Budmantom]

Billions from the stimulas are going to ACORN.....

that's called pay back