Pelosi proves it again

[Doc Savage Fan]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
Personally, I don't think this is such a big deal. But isn't it funny that the Dems put Reps under a microscope for so many years for any and everything possible...and now the Dems find themselves under the scope and cry 'foul'. Isn't it amusing to see how 'rational' Dems can be when justifying themselves and oblivious to reason they are when criticizing the other party. I think the Dems should start getting used to the heat because (I suspect) that this is just the beginning.

But...then again...I imagine that the Dems should be OK with being treated the same as they treated the Reps when the Reps were in control. After all...turnabout is fair play.

What utter BS. The republicans did huge wrongs, and the dems are not, so the dems complaints were based on legitimate issues and the repubs so far are not.

Your post is a big lie.

So let me get this straight...the Dems never did huge wrongs and never complained about anything except "legitimate issues".

If you want to believe a big lie, believe this...democrats good...republicans evil...democrats honorable...republicans corrupt...democrats caring...republicans callous...democrats tolerant...republicans hateful...democrats truthful...republicans lyin' sacks of pig manure as illustrated by my post. I think I've finally got it now...it's a black and white world and the Dems are pure as the driven snow. Thanks for setting me straight.:disgust:

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
Personally, I don't think this is such a big deal. But isn't it funny that the Dems put Reps under a microscope for so many years for any and everything possible...and now the Dems find themselves under the scope and cry 'foul'. Isn't it amusing to see how 'rational' Dems can be when justifying themselves and oblivious to reason they are when criticizing the other party. I think the Dems should start getting used to the heat because (I suspect) that this is just the beginning.

But...then again...I imagine that the Dems should be OK with being treated the same as they treated the Reps when the Reps were in control. After all...turnabout is fair play.

What utter BS. The republicans did huge wrongs, and the dems are not, so the dems complaints were based on legitimate issues and the repubs so far are not.

Your post is a big lie.

So let me get this straight...the Dems never did huge wrongs and never complained about anything except "legitimate issues".

If you want to believe a big lie, believe this...democrats good...republicans evil...democrats honorable...republicans corrupt...democrats caring...republicans callous...democrats tolerant...republicans hateful...democrats truthful...republicans lyin' sacks of pig manure as illustrated by my post.

I think I've finally got it now...it's a black and white world and the Dems are pure as the driven snow. Thanks for setting me straight

Good, now say that 500 times a day. :thumbsup:

 

[spittledip]

Meh, this thing is not a big deal.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I choose not to believe in lies.

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Craig234
What part of her wanting a plane that doesn't need to refuel on the way to her home are you clueless about?

Anyone who thinks the parties are the same, as you do, is bogglingly, irresponsibly uninformed.

Anyone who thinks the parties are not the same, as you do, is a blind partisan hack. Republicans and Democrats suck equally.

If they are the same, then who have you voted for the last few elections? They should be 50-50 split, right?

No, it wouldn't be a 50-50 split. I live in a state controlled overwhelmingly by Democrats, so I vote for every Republican running for office in this state (unless I completely disagree with them of course, then I vote 3rd party). I don't want my state or federal government controlled by one party, Republicans or Democrats. I still believe the Republicans to be the lesser of two evils, but if I strongly disagree with a Republican candidate then I go 3rd party. If I find a Democrat that I like then I will vote for them.

Although the Republicans have gone off track from most conservative issues, I still think that they are better than Dems when it comes to some of the more important issues to me, gun control, taxes, etc..

If my state was overwhelmingly controlled by Republicans and I didn't like what was going on, then I would vote for mostly Dems or 3rd party. If GWB ran again, I would vote 3rd party, and looking at the possible candidates for 08, I will probably be voting for a 3rd party candidate.

But you just said they were both the same...

 

[International Machine Consortium]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Craig234
What part of her wanting a plane that doesn't need to refuel on the way to her home are you clueless about?

Anyone who thinks the parties are the same, as you do, is bogglingly, irresponsibly uninformed.

Anyone who thinks the parties are not the same, as you do, is a blind partisan hack. Republicans and Democrats suck equally.

Riiiight. Like you really believe that. You're one of the biggest Republican cheerleaders on this board. And I'm being charitable with that description.

 

[International Machine Consortium]

By the way, it wasn't even Pelosi's idea.

House Sergeant at Arms Bill Livingood, who oversees security at the Capitol and has served Hastert as well as Pelosi, said it was he who had recommended that Pelosi fly home nonstop.

"I regret that an issue that is exclusively considered and decided in a security context has evolved into a political issue," he said in a statement, perhaps one of the most restrained issued all day.

Too bad the Republicans refuse to talk about the REAL issues the country faces. They'd rather spend our time and treasure making political hay of a non issue. Not surprising.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la...0,6077700.story?coll=la-home-headlines

 

[trenchfoot]

it definetly looks like rove is back in the saddle and is warming up the repub smear machine for the '08 campaign. i expect to see the repubs use this tactic ad nauseum until the '08 elections are over.

rove has already proven that elections can be won with lies, innuendo, disinformation and the effective use disseminating propaganda through media sources under their control. if anything, they can only get better at it.

this non-issue with pelosi's transportation requirements is but a tiny example of what the repub's hidden shadow army of "unofficial" and dubious unsanctioned support groups will be hosing the dems with for the forseeable future. i can see them literally flooding the media with lies against the dems coupled with incessantly repeated jingoisms that favor themselves. fun.

i hope the dem leadership took a que from clinton and obama when they were confronted with this type of under-handed tactics by the repub mind control apparatchiki.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: International Machine Consortium

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Craig234
What part of her wanting a plane that doesn't need to refuel on the way to her home are you clueless about?

Anyone who thinks the parties are the same, as you do, is bogglingly, irresponsibly uninformed.

Anyone who thinks the parties are not the same, as you do, is a blind partisan hack. Republicans and Democrats suck equally.

Riiiight. Like you really believe that. You're one of the biggest Republican cheerleaders on this board. And I'm being charitable with that description.

You are a bigger troll than Dave, shoo.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Craig234
What part of her wanting a plane that doesn't need to refuel on the way to her home are you clueless about?

Anyone who thinks the parties are the same, as you do, is bogglingly, irresponsibly uninformed.

Anyone who thinks the parties are not the same, as you do, is a blind partisan hack. Republicans and Democrats suck equally.

If they are the same, then who have you voted for the last few elections? They should be 50-50 split, right?

No, it wouldn't be a 50-50 split. I live in a state controlled overwhelmingly by Democrats, so I vote for every Republican running for office in this state (unless I completely disagree with them of course, then I vote 3rd party). I don't want my state or federal government controlled by one party, Republicans or Democrats. I still believe the Republicans to be the lesser of two evils, but if I strongly disagree with a Republican candidate then I go 3rd party. If I find a Democrat that I like then I will vote for them.

Although the Republicans have gone off track from most conservative issues, I still think that they are better than Dems when it comes to some of the more important issues to me, gun control, taxes, etc..

If my state was overwhelmingly controlled by Republicans and I didn't like what was going on, then I would vote for mostly Dems or 3rd party. If GWB ran again, I would vote 3rd party, and looking at the possible candidates for 08, I will probably be voting for a 3rd party candidate.

But you just said they were both the same...

I clarified what I said in another post. I shouldn't have said that they are exactly the same, my mistake, but there is barely any difference between the two, and when it comes to hypocrisy and corruption they are the same. The only real difference is the legislation they pass just to keep their base on just a few key issues.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Infidel

Originally posted by: JD50

Both parties are equally corrupt, but at least I know that Republicans aren't going to disarm the populace and tax me into the poor house in the name of the common good.

WTF????

You don't see the repub erosion of our civil rights being the first step to disarming/neutering the populace?

You don't see the repub erosion of the country's fiscal solvency as the surest path to higher taxes for all, and future generations?

You people are totally frickin' delusional.

No, I see all of that, but I think that the Democrats will do it much faster than the Republicans.

That sounds a lot like blind partisan speak to me...but....we know you aren't like that

So how is it that the Dems will "Do it faster?" by gun control laws and raising taxes? Is that all you care about? that is pathetically narrowminded.

So you mean to tell me that you don't have key issues, issues which are more important to you? Do you look at every single issue exactly the same, and if someone doesn't agree with you one hundred percent on every single issue then you don't vote for them? Wow, you must not ever vote then.

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: International Machine Consortium
By the way, it wasn't even Pelosi's idea.

House Sergeant at Arms Bill Livingood, who oversees security at the Capitol and has served Hastert as well as Pelosi, said it was he who had recommended that Pelosi fly home nonstop.

"I regret that an issue that is exclusively considered and decided in a security context has evolved into a political issue," he said in a statement, perhaps one of the most restrained issued all day.

Too bad the Republicans refuse to talk about the REAL issues the country faces. They'd rather spend our time and treasure making political hay of a non issue. Not surprising.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la...0,6077700.story?coll=la-home-headlines

and what by chance is the other party talking about?


R or D, the only difference is the name of the party and mascot.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
I choose not to believe in lies.

But your a Savage fan, he is an even more of a liar than Limbaugh & Hannity.

At least L&H stand behind their hero Bush at all costs.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
I choose not to believe in lies.

But your a Savage fan, he is an even more of a liar than Limbaugh & Hannity.

At least L&H stand behind their hero Bush at all costs.

Actually, I believe his handle is refering to Doc Savage " The man of bronze"

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Infidel

Originally posted by: JD50

Both parties are equally corrupt, but at least I know that Republicans aren't going to disarm the populace and tax me into the poor house in the name of the common good.

WTF????

You don't see the repub erosion of our civil rights being the first step to disarming/neutering the populace?

You don't see the repub erosion of the country's fiscal solvency as the surest path to higher taxes for all, and future generations?

You people are totally frickin' delusional.

No, I see all of that, but I think that the Democrats will do it much faster than the Republicans.

That sounds a lot like blind partisan speak to me...but....we know you aren't like that

So how is it that the Dems will "Do it faster?" by gun control laws and raising taxes? Is that all you care about? that is pathetically narrowminded.

So you mean to tell me that you don't have key issues, issues which are more important to you? Do you look at every single issue exactly the same, and if someone doesn't agree with you one hundred percent on every single issue then you don't vote for them? Wow, you must not ever vote then.

He asked you a question and you dodged it.

How would they do it faster. Give us an example from the past of restricting your rights on the scale of likes of the patriot act or nsa warrantless spying that would lead you to believe this.

 

[International Machine Consortium]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: International Machine Consortium

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Craig234
What part of her wanting a plane that doesn't need to refuel on the way to her home are you clueless about?

Anyone who thinks the parties are the same, as you do, is bogglingly, irresponsibly uninformed.

Anyone who thinks the parties are not the same, as you do, is a blind partisan hack. Republicans and Democrats suck equally.

Riiiight. Like you really believe that. You're one of the biggest Republican cheerleaders on this board. And I'm being charitable with that description.

You are a bigger troll than Dave, shoo.

As usual, that's all you got: Nothin'. You're what's on the bottom of my shoo.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Infidel

Originally posted by: JD50

Both parties are equally corrupt, but at least I know that Republicans aren't going to disarm the populace and tax me into the poor house in the name of the common good.

WTF????

You don't see the repub erosion of our civil rights being the first step to disarming/neutering the populace?

You don't see the repub erosion of the country's fiscal solvency as the surest path to higher taxes for all, and future generations?

You people are totally frickin' delusional.

No, I see all of that, but I think that the Democrats will do it much faster than the Republicans.

That sounds a lot like blind partisan speak to me...but....we know you aren't like that

So how is it that the Dems will "Do it faster?" by gun control laws and raising taxes? Is that all you care about? that is pathetically narrowminded.

So you mean to tell me that you don't have key issues, issues which are more important to you? Do you look at every single issue exactly the same, and if someone doesn't agree with you one hundred percent on every single issue then you don't vote for them? Wow, you must not ever vote then.

He asked you a question and you dodged it.

How would they do it faster. Give us an example from the past of restricting your rights on the scale of likes of the patriot act or nsa warrantless spying that would lead you to believe this.

I see my rights eroding much faster and my taxes being raised much higher in my state, controlled by Democrats, then I do by the Patriot Act and warantless wiretapping. Has the Patriot act been made permanent yet? Isn't warrantless wiretapping concerning conversations with a foreigner? This stuff is in response to the threat from terror, and I doubt that they will be permanent. The Dems are trying to make laws controlling what we can eat, do in our cars, do in private establishments, etc..

Being told that I cannot talk on my cellphone in my car, because some people are too stupid to multitask, is just the beginning. Not being alllowed to smoke in a privately owned building (no I don't smoke) is just the beginning. Or how about in NYC, trying to outlaw Ipods and cellphones when you are crossing the street? I don't think that we even have to debate the point of Democrats raising taxes.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: International Machine Consortium

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: International Machine Consortium

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Craig234
What part of her wanting a plane that doesn't need to refuel on the way to her home are you clueless about?

Anyone who thinks the parties are the same, as you do, is bogglingly, irresponsibly uninformed.

Anyone who thinks the parties are not the same, as you do, is a blind partisan hack. Republicans and Democrats suck equally.

Riiiight. Like you really believe that. You're one of the biggest Republican cheerleaders on this board. And I'm being charitable with that description.

You are a bigger troll than Dave, shoo.

As usual, that's all you got: Nothin'. You're what's on the bottom of my shoo.

Thanks for proving my point.

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Infidel

Originally posted by: JD50

Both parties are equally corrupt, but at least I know that Republicans aren't going to disarm the populace and tax me into the poor house in the name of the common good.

WTF????

You don't see the repub erosion of our civil rights being the first step to disarming/neutering the populace?

You don't see the repub erosion of the country's fiscal solvency as the surest path to higher taxes for all, and future generations?

You people are totally frickin' delusional.

No, I see all of that, but I think that the Democrats will do it much faster than the Republicans.

That sounds a lot like blind partisan speak to me...but....we know you aren't like that

So how is it that the Dems will "Do it faster?" by gun control laws and raising taxes? Is that all you care about? that is pathetically narrowminded.

So you mean to tell me that you don't have key issues, issues which are more important to you? Do you look at every single issue exactly the same, and if someone doesn't agree with you one hundred percent on every single issue then you don't vote for them? Wow, you must not ever vote then.

He asked you a question and you dodged it.

How would they do it faster. Give us an example from the past of restricting your rights on the scale of likes of the patriot act or nsa warrantless spying that would lead you to believe this.

I see my rights eroding much faster and my taxes being raised much higher in my state, controlled by Democrats, then I do by the Patriot Act and warantless wiretapping. Has the Patriot act been made permanent yet? Isn't warrantless wiretapping concerning conversations with a foreigner? This stuff is in response to the threat from terror, and I doubt that they will be permanent. The Dems are trying to make laws controlling what we can eat, do in our cars, do in private establishments, etc..

Being told that I cannot talk on my cellphone in my car, because some people are too stupid to multitask, is just the beginning. Not being alllowed to smoke in a privately owned building (no I don't smoke) is just the beginning. Or how about in NYC, trying to outlaw Ipods and cellphones when you are crossing the street? I don't think that we even have to debate the point of Democrats raising taxes.

Taxes have nothing to do with removing your rights. A what happens in NYC has nothing to do with the federal level. No moreso than some ludicrous state legislation from the dakotas, alabama, or texas. Give federal examples from the past please.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Infidel

Originally posted by: JD50

Both parties are equally corrupt, but at least I know that Republicans aren't going to disarm the populace and tax me into the poor house in the name of the common good.

WTF????

You don't see the repub erosion of our civil rights being the first step to disarming/neutering the populace?

You don't see the repub erosion of the country's fiscal solvency as the surest path to higher taxes for all, and future generations?

You people are totally frickin' delusional.

No, I see all of that, but I think that the Democrats will do it much faster than the Republicans.

That sounds a lot like blind partisan speak to me...but....we know you aren't like that

So how is it that the Dems will "Do it faster?" by gun control laws and raising taxes? Is that all you care about? that is pathetically narrowminded.

So you mean to tell me that you don't have key issues, issues which are more important to you? Do you look at every single issue exactly the same, and if someone doesn't agree with you one hundred percent on every single issue then you don't vote for them? Wow, you must not ever vote then.

He asked you a question and you dodged it.

How would they do it faster. Give us an example from the past of restricting your rights on the scale of likes of the patriot act or nsa warrantless spying that would lead you to believe this.

I see my rights eroding much faster and my taxes being raised much higher in my state, controlled by Democrats, then I do by the Patriot Act and warantless wiretapping. Has the Patriot act been made permanent yet? Isn't warrantless wiretapping concerning conversations with a foreigner? This stuff is in response to the threat from terror, and I doubt that they will be permanent. The Dems are trying to make laws controlling what we can eat, do in our cars, do in private establishments, etc..

Being told that I cannot talk on my cellphone in my car, because some people are too stupid to multitask, is just the beginning. Not being alllowed to smoke in a privately owned building (no I don't smoke) is just the beginning. Or how about in NYC, trying to outlaw Ipods and cellphones when you are crossing the street? I don't think that we even have to debate the point of Democrats raising taxes.

Taxes have nothing to do with removing your rights. A what happens in NYC has nothing to do with the federal level. No moreso than some ludicrous state legislation from the dakotas, alabama, or texas. Give federal examples from the past please.

Oh, so Democrats on the local level don't count? If it happens in the state that I live in, then it effects me. Taxes absolutely have something to do with removing your rights. Don't you believe that you have the right to keep a reasonable amount of the money that you make?

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Infidel

Originally posted by: JD50

Both parties are equally corrupt, but at least I know that Republicans aren't going to disarm the populace and tax me into the poor house in the name of the common good.

WTF????

You don't see the repub erosion of our civil rights being the first step to disarming/neutering the populace?

You don't see the repub erosion of the country's fiscal solvency as the surest path to higher taxes for all, and future generations?

You people are totally frickin' delusional.

No, I see all of that, but I think that the Democrats will do it much faster than the Republicans.

That sounds a lot like blind partisan speak to me...but....we know you aren't like that

So how is it that the Dems will "Do it faster?" by gun control laws and raising taxes? Is that all you care about? that is pathetically narrowminded.

So you mean to tell me that you don't have key issues, issues which are more important to you? Do you look at every single issue exactly the same, and if someone doesn't agree with you one hundred percent on every single issue then you don't vote for them? Wow, you must not ever vote then.

He asked you a question and you dodged it.

How would they do it faster. Give us an example from the past of restricting your rights on the scale of likes of the patriot act or nsa warrantless spying that would lead you to believe this.

I see my rights eroding much faster and my taxes being raised much higher in my state, controlled by Democrats, then I do by the Patriot Act and warantless wiretapping. Has the Patriot act been made permanent yet? Isn't warrantless wiretapping concerning conversations with a foreigner? This stuff is in response to the threat from terror, and I doubt that they will be permanent. The Dems are trying to make laws controlling what we can eat, do in our cars, do in private establishments, etc..

Being told that I cannot talk on my cellphone in my car, because some people are too stupid to multitask, is just the beginning. Not being alllowed to smoke in a privately owned building (no I don't smoke) is just the beginning. Or how about in NYC, trying to outlaw Ipods and cellphones when you are crossing the street? I don't think that we even have to debate the point of Democrats raising taxes.

Taxes have nothing to do with removing your rights. A what happens in NYC has nothing to do with the federal level. No moreso than some ludicrous state legislation from the dakotas, alabama, or texas. Give federal examples from the past please.

Oh, so Democrats on the local level don't count? If it happens in the state that I live in, then it effects me. Taxes absolutely have something to do with removing your rights. Don't you believe that you have the right to keep a reasonable amount of the money that you make?

Keeping taxes at a level you personally prefer is not a right. It is that simple.

Again, state politics are different than federal policy. Give some examples of federal level congress or presidential democrats taking away any rights. If you want to copare state democrats you have to consider what all democrats and all republicans in ALL states do if you want to compare the politics of the 2.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Keeping taxes at a level you personally prefer is not a right. It is that simple.

Again, state politics are different than federal policy. Give some examples of federal level congress or presidential democrats taking away any rights.

Ok, so then its not a violation of your rights if you are taxed 100 percent, effectively making you a slave?

You asked for examples of Democrats taking away rights faster than Republicans, I gave you some, you didn't like them, tough. Now you are changing it to federal level only. How about you give some examples of Republicans eroding the rights of citizens at the state level?

 

[International Machine Consortium]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/02/09/pelosi.plane/index.html

Bulleted so even JD50 can grasp it.

?House sergeant at arms says he requested plane for Pelosi
? Pelosi accused of asking for more expensive plane than her predecessor's
? Pelosi is striking back against claims
? "I think this is much ado about not a whole lot," says White House spokesman

Apparently the only ones left trying to make political hay of this are the Republican cry babies in here.

Let's take care pf the problems facing the country, Repugs, instead of wasting time and treasure on this and failed wars.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/02/09/pelosi.plane/index.html

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: International Machine Consortium

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: International Machine Consortium

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Craig234
What part of her wanting a plane that doesn't need to refuel on the way to her home are you clueless about?

Anyone who thinks the parties are the same, as you do, is bogglingly, irresponsibly uninformed.

Anyone who thinks the parties are not the same, as you do, is a blind partisan hack. Republicans and Democrats suck equally.

Riiiight. Like you really believe that. You're one of the biggest Republican cheerleaders on this board. And I'm being charitable with that description.

You are a bigger troll than Dave, shoo.

As usual, that's all you got: Nothin'. You're what's on the bottom of my shoo.

Thanks for proving my point.

Now there's some substance.

 

[Ferocious]

The White House also stood behind Pelosi.

Ouch, not good for the Bushbots.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Taxes have nothing to do with removing your rights. A what happens in NYC has nothing to do with the federal level. No moreso than some ludicrous state legislation from the dakotas, alabama, or texas. Give federal examples from the past please.

taking property away from you at gunpoint isn't eroding your rights?!? property is the most basic right a person can have after life and basic liberty ('life, liberty, and the pursuit of property' ring a bell?) it is what truly allows a person to stand apart and pursue their desires. what good is freedom if you can't use it?