Pelosi: 'I am running for Dem leader'

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nobodyknows

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If the Dems can not deliver what the American people expect; they will still be held accountable.

The $64 question is "What do the American people expect?". I think they were pissed off about all the corporate welfare being handed out when the job market still sucks and they pissed off another whole faction by not even giving SS recieients a COLA.

It's easy to try and bend the election results to fit whatever YOUR agenda is, but claiming the whole Dem agenda has been rejected is just so much BS it's really not even worthy of discussion.

It's the same old "lie with a lie with in a lie" crap the GOP has specialized in for a long time. Just the other day I received the "Hanoi Jane" hate mail that's been floating around the net for 10 years even though it's been debunked. The GOP really needs to get some new material.

LOL, I personally don't care for her but all this whining ab out how Peolsi should step down is a waste of breath. Yeah, and all the Dems should take the GOP positions too even though they still have the Senate and the Presidency. You guys are a hoot!!
 

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The right doesn't get to pick. So Pelosi gets the nod and tells the reps to screw off. The reps now have the numerical and perhaps just as important, procedural control where bills are introduced and funded. Neither side yields and we have gridlock. That's my prediction. Everyone keeps their principles and nothing gets done.

So 2 more years of double digit or near double digit unemployment? I certainly hope not and highly doubt it.

Personally, until someone comes up with somthing that works I plan on voting against every incumbent running. It's the only way I can think of to hold the politician's feet to the fire.
 
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I'm all for a higher turnover rate for government, but the problem with it being too high is what actually works may take one or more election cycles to have visible results. Without holding one party in power long enough to remove all doubt one way or the other the same game will keep getting played. I thought we had succeeded in hitting that point with Bush and the Republican congress but I guess not.
 

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I'm all for a higher turnover rate for government, but the problem with it being too high is what actually works may take one or more election cycles to have visible results. Without holding one party in power long enough to remove all doubt one way or the other the same game will keep getting played. I thought we had succeeded in hitting that point with Bush and the Republican congress but I guess not.


Honestly, I was pretty happy when we had Republican Houses with a Democratic President keeping a lid on the assholes with his Veto Stick; in between the occasional hummer, OFC.

I'm very much less than happy any time one party or another can do what it wants. The end result of that has invariably been a lighter wallet on my part.
 

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So 2 more years of double digit or near double digit unemployment? I certainly hope not and highly doubt it.

Personally, until someone comes up with somthing that works I plan on voting against every incumbent running. It's the only way I can think of to hold the politician's feet to the fire.

It's hard to say what will happen. Things tend to correct themselves over time. The most likely factor in determining the outcome in the next election will be the economy as usual. My crystal ball isn't good enough to predict that.
 

hal2kilo

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I wonder if their will be any strong democrat opposition to this. I predict that there will be.

No matter what you think of Pelosi, she is not well favored in the eyes of america right now.
It would be a terrible move to keep her. I actually think it helps the republicans keep the majority in 2012 if she is the minority leader.

The Dino's and the blue dogs were the most wiped-out seats. Why would you think the liberal core that stuck to their principles would'nt re-elect Pelosi.

The reason why the Republicans demonize her so much is because she was so effective. Never talk about policy differences just attack the person. Typical Republican playbook politics. That's why this years ads were so negative on both sides. The Dems are starting to get a clue how to manipulate the stupid.
 
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matt0611

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The Dino's and the blue dogs were the most wiped-out seats. Why would you think the liberal core that stuck to there principles would'nt re-elect Pelosi.

The reason why the Republicans demonize her so much is because she was so effective. Never talk about policy differences just attack the person. Typical Republican playbook politics. That's why this years ads were so negative on both sides. The Dems are starting to get a clue how to manipulate the stupid.

Because no matter how much they agree with here they are probably smart to realize that she isn't good for them anymore and should be replaced.

I'm almost 100% against pelosi's views and think that she hurts the democrats by being their leader at this point in the game, so at this point I actually hope she becomes the minority leader.

Go Pelosi go!
 

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The reason why the Republicans demonize her so much is because she was so effective. Never talk about policy differences just attack the person. Typical Republican playbook politics. That's why this years ads were so negative on both sides. The Dems are starting to get a clue how to manipulate the stupid.

No, the reason we demonize her is because is she is out of touch with the average american. She is a typical elitist bitch who want the best things in life for herself at the expense of the citizens.

The only people who can't see through her BS are people like you who worship the ground she walks on...

Care to comment on this?

Pelosi's military travel cost the U.S. Air Force $2,100,744.59 over two years – including $101,429.14 for in-flight expenses, including food and alcohol...Pelosi has been treating the Air Force like her own personal airline...

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=123472

or this??

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has more than quadrupled the rent on her San Francisco district office, making the $18,736-a-month cost of her new South of Market space the highest in the House, according to a new report.

The rent - part of Pelosi's budget, which is funded by taxpayers - is nearly double the next-highest rent in the House: Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., pays $10,600 a month for his Manhattan office, while representatives from Sacramento, Boston and Los Angeles pay nearly that much, the report said.

http://articles.sfgate.com/2010-06-...offices-house-speaker-nancy-pelosi-new-office
 
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Craig234

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No, the reason we demonize her is because is she is out of touch with the average american. She is a typical elitist bitch who want the best things in life for herself at the expense of the citizens.

It's like you're puking on the screen, with the propaganda you regurgitate, empty words.

The only people who can't see through her BS are people like you who worship the ground she walks on...

Care to comment on this?

Pelosi's military travel cost the U.S. Air Force $2,100,744.59 over two years – including $101,429.14 for in-flight expenses, including food and alcohol...Pelosi has been treating the Air Force like her own personal airline...

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=123472

Sure. The *Bush administration* put in rules post-9/11 for the security of the Speaker for her to use military planes.

The right has recklessly tried to use the issue for attacking her baselessly - and sometimes made up the facts to fit the attacks.

The Bush administration defended her use of the planes. She lives further than the previous speaker, and needed a larger plane with more range; the right-wing propaganda machine promptly painted her as an 'elitist' who simply demanded the larger plane because she acts like a queen unconcerned with taxpayer expense. Why? Because they actually DO have an agenda for raping the public for the rich, and attack her knowing smoe idiots will fall for their propaganda calling her 'elitist', like you.

or this??

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has more than quadrupled the rent on her San Francisco district office, making the $18,736-a-month cost of her new South of Market space the highest in the House, according to a new report.

The rent - part of Pelosi's budget, which is funded by taxpayers - is nearly double the next-highest rent in the House: Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., pays $10,600 a month for his Manhattan office, while representatives from Sacramento, Boston and Los Angeles pay nearly that much, the report said.

http://articles.sfgate.com/2010-06-...offices-house-speaker-nancy-pelosi-new-office

I don't know the issue, but between her living in one of the most expensive districts in the country, and being the Speaker, and this being small peanuts, very small, it's a joke.

You just proved the point of the person you responded to, that the reason the right-wing propaganda machine is putting out these garbage attacks is that she's a great speaker.
 

Craig234

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Because no matter how much they agree with here they are probably smart to realize that she isn't good for them anymore and should be replaced.

I'm almost 100% against pelosi's views and think that she hurts the democrats by being their leader at this point in the game, so at this point I actually hope she becomes the minority leader.

Go Pelosi go!

Matt0611 is an elitist who hates right-wing posters and thinks he owns Anandtech.

Now, I suggest you not say anything about how that's wrong, and instead recognize that you're just hurting your side now by posting here, and leave.

And then I'll attack the next righty who posts, and he should leave, too.

Of course, if you stay, it just proves how elitist you are, not caring what others want! Selfish bastard! Matt asked Anandtech to PAY HIM for each post. Elitist!!!!
 

matt0611

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Craig, the difference is that if you look at what independents think about her, they have an 8% approval rating of her! 8%

Who gives a shit what her views are? Or how effective she is?
Look, the democrats can do whatever the hell they want of course, if I was one of their advisors, I would advise otherwise. I'm not a democrat though, so I don't care if they fuck themselves over again.

We'll wait and see what happens though I guess.
 
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Craig234

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Craig, the difference is that if you look at what independents think about her, they have an 8% approval rating of her! 8%

Who gives a shit what her views are? Or how effective she is?
Look, the democrats can do whatever the hell they want of course, if I was one of their advisors, I would advise otherwise. I'm not a democrat though, so I don't care if they fuck themselves over again.

We'll wait and see what happens though I guess.

The point is, that 8% is a result of the sort of thing I posted. The Dems might as well disband the party and give the country to Republicans if they let them do this.

As I said, there's a point there are practical issues, but it's not something you easily do to let the other side destroy your leader with lies.

The other side's leaders are *terrible*. This isn't about the leaders, it's about the strength of the propaganda machines. And Matt demanded to have an exclusive font here!
 

hal2kilo

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No, the reason we demonize her is because is she is out of touch with the average american. She is a typical elitist bitch who want the best things in life for herself at the expense of the citizens.

The only people who can't see through her BS are people like you who worship the ground she walks on...

Care to comment on this?

Pelosi's military travel cost the U.S. Air Force $2,100,744.59 over two years – including $101,429.14 for in-flight expenses, including food and alcohol...Pelosi has been treating the Air Force like her own personal airline...

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=123472

or this??

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has more than quadrupled the rent on her San Francisco district office, making the $18,736-a-month cost of her new South of Market space the highest in the House, according to a new report.

The rent - part of Pelosi's budget, which is funded by taxpayers - is nearly double the next-highest rent in the House: Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., pays $10,600 a month for his Manhattan office, while representatives from Sacramento, Boston and Los Angeles pay nearly that much, the report said.

http://articles.sfgate.com/2010-06-...offices-house-speaker-nancy-pelosi-new-office
I thought you guys didn't like taxing the rich because you all fantasize about being as rich as Pelosi. Don't you all admire that?
 

nageov3t

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if 80% of Americans thought that puppies caused cancer, even if they're wrong I still wouldn't want to run a national campaign of Puppies for Everyone.
 

Craig234

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if 80% of Americans thought that puppies caused cancer, even if they're wrong I still wouldn't want to run a national campaign of Puppies for Everyone.

But you might also not want to commit genocide against puppies, or to not do anything about the big machine that was lying about puppies, and reward it.
 

Craig234

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Yup, perfect way to keep the dems the minority party in 2012 :thumbsup:

Yes, because the right-wing propaganda machine that lies about Pelosi, will praise her successor, and getting rid of Pelosi will fix the problem with that propaganda machine.
 

Bitek

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Yes, I'm sure if the Dems bail on her the Reps will be very nice to the next leader and never ever lie and complain about them and partisanship will flourish anew. :whiste:


She has balls. More balls than the rest of the party put together, that why they need her. She also gets shit done and knows how to fight. The dems will need this more than anything w/ the new House.

Reid was a spineless whimp, and the Rs just tarred him with the same brush. Only his Senate couldn't get half the stuff done Pelosi did, but the Dems got attacked relentlessly anyway.


Dems and Obama have to figure out that the right is going to lie, attack and whine bitterly no matter what you do, so you might as well have the vote and get something done and fight back rather than ducking under the table hoping not to get kicked. Mayeb Pelosi could lend them her balls for a while till they grow a pair of their own
 

nageov3t

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a new leader could attempt to redefine him/herself.

Pelosi's caricature is already set in stone in the American psyche.
 

Craig234

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a new leader could attempt to redefine him/herself.

Pelosi's caricature is already set in stone in the American psyche.

Just as Pelosi could 'attempt to redefine herself' when the new speaker, and ran into the same Reight-wing propaganda machine leaders before and after her do.

The 'indendents' are wrong, and suckers for propaganda. The Democrats can choose - keep a great speaker, or put in a worse speaker and get them demonized too.
 

matt0611

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a new leader could attempt to redefine him/herself.

Pelosi's caricature is already set in stone in the American psyche.

Exactly, if you start clean with a new leader it takes a while for their approval rating to come down. Why start out with a leader with 8% approval lol ?
 

nageov3t

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Just as Pelosi could 'attempt to redefine herself' when the new speaker, and ran into the same Reight-wing propaganda machine leaders before and after her do.

The 'indendents' are wrong, and suckers for propaganda. The Democrats can choose - keep a great speaker, or put in a worse speaker and get them demonized too.
fair enough, I guess the big, bad republicans are just too strong and there isn't anything the democrats can do about it.
 

Craig234

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fair enough, I guess the big, bad republicans are just too strong and there isn't anything the democrats can do about it.

Sure there is, fire everyone the Republicans get the public to think is bad. That's strength.

In the meantime, it IS a serious problem. There is a massive bias in the public caused by this massive propaganda machine.

The Dems could play the same game - which would be really becoming 'just like the Republicans', selling out to the corporate agenda more than they do, and get the benefits.

Or, they can stand for better things, which includes standing up to the mob sometimes.
 

Craig234

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Exactly, if you start clean with a new leader it takes a while for their approval rating to come down. Why start out with a leader with 8% approval lol ?

A new leader also has weaknesses, as they get to be known. Replacing leaders as fast as Republicans can demonize them is not a good idea.