Pelosi: 'I am running for Dem leader'

[her209]

Uh, you really think that since a Democrat got re-elected in San Francisco, that means their message was not rejected by the nation?

HUH??

Harry Reid (or another Democrat) is still going to be Senate Majority Leader.

HUH?

 

[nick1985]

Harry Reid (or another Democrat) is still going to be Senate Majority Leader.

HUH?

What the fuck are you talking about? You interupted a back and forth debate about how San Francisco will ALWAYS elect a Democrat not matter what, regardless of the political climate, to dive in and start talking about Harry Reid.

???

 

[IBMer]

Are you really under the guise that its possible for a Democrat to lose a seat from San Fransisco to a Republican? Please tell me that you dont believe that.

I more hope that the R and D before their names didn't even matter. If the people of San Francisco thought the person who won on the Republican side was better able to represent them than the person on the Democratic side then that is their wish. Do not construe majority with absolutes.

I certainly would have voted for Crist over Meek even though I am more liberal leaning if he had an R next to his name because I agree with a lot of his idiology. Macro Rubio doesn't fit my idiology so I didn't vote for him under the same ticket with the same R next to his name. Understand the difference?

 

[nick1985]

You dodged my question and aswered a question that wasn't even posed.

gg

 

[IBMer]

Really I am pretty sure I stated don't construe majority with absolutes. Look at the big picture. Who cares of San Francisco decided to vote for a republican over a democrat. They are only a piece of the puzzle. The fact is that only 65 of the senate seats up for elections were voted in as Republican and only 55 percent of the house seats were voted up for Republican. There is a still a percentage of Americans that didn't vote republican so stop playing it off as a whole sale rejection. It simply isn't.

 

[nageov3t]

she's an effective leader, but she's also a major drag on the national party. it's unfortunate that she's not willing to step aside like all of her predecessors have done.

anyone who might have voted against her was voted out of office on Tuesday, though.

 

[Double Trouble]

Double: I could see where such a decision could be made. I tend to doubt the Dems would take that tack, though, since the Conservative/Dems were the ones who ate most of the losses this election. That would tend to affirm there's little public sympathy for politicians who take a middle of the road approach.

That's probably true, but if they really go the route of embracing the left wing and having Pelosi as the face of the party, then they essentially consign themselves to being in the minority. Poll after poll showed that Pelosi is one of the most despised and disliked people in the country as a whole. Seems like a losing proposition to have her as the face of the party, but hey, it's up to the dems, we'll see which direction they go.

 

[shiner]

Pelosi has been an outstanding speaker, period. She should remain the leader.

The House has passed all kinds of good things, and was the strongest branch of Democrats out of Obama, Reid and Pelosi.

The fact she is attacked by the right, and some Americans fall for that, isn't a reason to remove her. The right doesn't get to pick the Democrats' leaders.

 

[nick1985]

Really I am pretty sure I stated don't construe majority with absolutes. Look at the big picture. Who cares of San Francisco decided to vote for a republican over a democrat. They are only a piece of the puzzle. The fact is that only 65 of the senate seats up for elections were voted in as Republican and only 55 percent of the house seats were voted up for Republican. There is a still a percentage of Americans that didn't vote republican so stop playing it off as a whole sale rejection. It simply isn't.

No shit not everyone voted Republican. Nobody ever said that. You tried to infer that since she was re-elected, that cant possibly mean that people are sick of her. What a farce. She could be awaiting trial for triple homocide and STILL handily beat any Republican challenger. You point holds no water.

I also heard a number on CNN today during my lunch. Only 8% of independants approve of Nancy Pelosi. That should tell you something, although my gut says it wont.

 

[shiner]

I wonder if their will be any strong democrat opposition to this. I predict that there will be.

No matter what you think of Pelosi, she is not well favored in the eyes of america right now.
It would be a terrible move to keep her. I actually think it helps the republicans keep the majority in 2012 if she is the minority leader.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=12&articleid=20101105_12_0_WASHIN472569

 

[Craig234]

Are you fvking kidding us??? What is scary is that you actually believe this BS you spew out here....

There is a reason why US public opinion of her is in the crapper

Yes, and you were told what it was, and didn't get it.

but then again, you and your buddy Obama think we are too stupid to think for ourselves so you find someone to blame...

You just don't understand how you are being manipulated by people who tell you "that big bad Obama is insulting you, you should hate him!"

You show no indication in your posts you have any idea how propaganda works, that there is a massive right-wing propaganda machine aimed at you, and so on.

Notice how you still have absolutely zero facts for your position against Pelosi?

 

[Double Trouble]

Only 8% of independants approve of Nancy Pelosi.

That alone should pretty much scream to the democrats "don't pick me as the face of the party!!". Sure, she represents a group of extreme SF nutcases in her district, so she's going to get re-elected, but I don't think the democratic party will want her views to continue to define the party as a whole or they will be permanently resigned to the minority party.

The fact is that the vast majority of Americans don't like the far left or the far right. Pelosi is now an albatross dragging down the dems, and I suspect she'll step down after talking to some of them.

 

[Craig234]

she's an effective leader, but she's also a major drag on the national party. it's unfortunate that she's not willing to step aside like all of her predecessors have done.

anyone who might have voted against her was voted out of office on Tuesday, though.

She's not 'the drag'. Anyone who replaces her will either have the same problem, or be a bad leader. It's about the power of the 'right-wing noise machine'.

It's a bit of a self-fulling prophecy - "she sucks!" is the attack, people fall for it and say "she lacks a good image so she has to go".

Yes, let's bring back the Republicans, who are so good.

 

[MiniDoom]

bad move...

 

[Infohawk]

Unfortunately both parties seem to be going away from the center. It will be an interesting presidential election if that keeps up.

 

[shiner]

Maybe I'm just in the Christmas spirit early....whatever the case I have decided to give Craig234 his present today.

You're welcome....now please use them to pull your head out of your ass.
.

 

[Craig234]

That alone should pretty much scream to the democrats "the right-wing noise machine is a problem for our country."

Fixed.

Oh, you have a fine plan.

"Throw out Pelosi, pick someone further to the right!" Demonize them. "Throw out person #2, pick someone further to the right!" Demozine them. "Throw out..."

Sure, she represents a group of extreme SF nutcases in her district

And a parrot spouts attack words without any basis. Big surprise.

Putting aside that her liberal district is right and you are wrong, if she is "far left', list five things she is pushing that are a 'far left' agenda bad for the country as you say.

I'll wait. Oh, not one?

 

[Craig234]

bad move...

Says the person who can't make an argument better than 'she's just bad, because I heard it'.

 

[nick1985]

Craig, only 8% of independants support Nancy Pelosi. How does that make you feel?

 

[Craig234]

I'm not so sure. Time will tell, but I suspect she's not going to get the vote from her own party.

No matter how effective she is or what she has/has not done, the reality is that anyone can see that she has been very effectively painted by the republicans as the face of all that is wrong with DC. She is "bad DC" personified, much like Cheney became "neocon personified". Allowing her to be the leader of the house dems would allow the republicans to get great mileage out of her again in 2012, just like they did this year. I can't even count how many times I saw pelosi in adds here in Ohio, and Ohio was pretty much a clean sweep top to bottom for the repubs.

I give you credit for recognizing that 'however effective she has been', the issue is 'she has been painted...'

So, let's just give in to the liars who can paint any Democrat any way they want, and let them - if they paint Pelosi badly, get rid of her, on to the next to be painted. Right?

 

[spacejamz]

Notice how you still have absolutely zero facts for your position against Pelosi?

Guess your selective memory about some of the priceless threads about her and her antics that have been opened here about her is kicking in....

here's a hint...use the search feature and you can read about them...but I am not sure if you can handle much more bad news this week...you should wait until next week...

 

[Double Trouble]

Fixed.

Oh, you have a fine plan.

"Throw out Pelosi, pick someone further to the right!" Demonize them. "Throw out person #2, pick someone further to the right!" Demozine them. "Throw out..."



And a parrot spouts attack words without any basis. Big surprise.

Putting aside that her liberal district is right and you are wrong, if she is "far left', list five things she is pushing that are a 'far left' agenda bad for the country as you say.

I'll wait. Oh, not one?

Craig, your usual drivel aside, you are failing to see the rational picture. It's not whether I like her, you like her, if she's right or wrong. The FACT is that the vast majority of the country dislikes her. In the world of politics, that's bad business to have someone widely disliked be the face of the party.

Now go ahead and carry on with your usual drivel.

 

[Craig234]

Craig, your usual drivel aside, you are failing to see the rational picture. It's not whether I like her, you like her, if she's right or wrong. The FACT is that the vast majority of the country dislikes her. In the world of politics, that's bad business to have someone widely disliked be the face of the party.

Now go ahead and carry on with your usual drivel.

No, ignore is so much more appropriate for jerks who are as hopelessly clueless as you.

It's clearly a waste of time to explain to you yet again the concept that you don't deal with the opponent's ability to attack your leaders by trashing your leaders.

That there can come a time you might have to lose the battle and so do, but you had better not do it too quickly, or you will let them destroy all your leaders.

No, you are invited to stop replying to my posts, for your jerk tone.

 

[nick1985]

Craig, are you like this in real life?

 

[MiniDoom]

Says the person who can't make an argument better than 'she's just bad, because I heard it'.

her popularity speaks for its self. I don't need to point out the obvious.